Free medical care for hobos. Your vote needed!

http://www.refresheverything.com/medzou

To put it simply, Pepsi will fund whatever charity project that is voted into the Top 10. The one I linked is in the $50000 category, and is for a bunch of med students setting up a free clinic that gives checkups and treatment for homeless folks or just generally poor and uninsured people. Currently they are in the 16th position, and I need people to register (you can use Facebook) and vote for it. To put it in perspective, currently a school band that need uniforms is in the top 10. So, please vote for these poor hobos. Healthcare is hard enough these days for people with homes and jobs.

Oh, and you can promote this stuff in Facebook and Twitter. You also get 10 votes a day, and you can give one vote to whatever projects you want in various categories. You can also vote again for a project the next day.

health care is for everyone in my nation . Isn't socialism great ?

damn mooching hobos...comp_atkins

sorry but there is a dog charity to vote for in the group.

i have to go with the ones that need help more.

Righto, I voted.

It's pretty sad that this kind of thing is what it's come to. This country desperately needs universal healthcare.

Silly guy, healthcare isn't a right. Our taxpayer dollars are better spent fighting two failing wars.

Silly guy, healthcare isn't a right. Our taxpayer dollars are better spent fighting two failing wars.

Choga

Don't forget the hundreds of billions of dollars in bailouts to predatory financial institutions. That's also more important than healthcare.

I voted. :)

Free medical care for hobossyafiqjabar

...only as test subjects for new medicines.
Nothing in life is free my friend

[QUOTE="syafiqjabar"]

Free medical care for hobosrawsavon

...only as test subjects for new medicines.
Nothing in life is free my friend

It's free to the people who would be receiving it and the money's being donated by a private company, so what's the issue?

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]damn mooching hobos...fastesttruck

I felt bad for them until I started working in a shelter. 99% of them dont even look for work.

also what's up with half of the categories being for luxury items that people don't need? I was really shocked to see "build a new park" and "give this band new uniforms" in the top 10 over that homeless medicare thing, and for the latter over helping save endangered creatures and curing diseases

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="syafiqjabar"]

Free medical care for hobosworlock77

...only as test subjects for new medicines.
Nothing in life is free my friend

It's free to the people who would be receiving it and the money's being donated by a private company, so what's the issue?

I am just trying to come up with a way that enables the homeless to give something back for what they receive.
No one likes to get handouts (it ruins self-esteem). I am thinking about their psychological well-being and their sense of self and self-worth.

Let them 'earn' their benefits and feel more human.
To do otherwise just seems so...inhumane

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

...only as test subjects for new medicines.
Nothing in life is free my friend

rawsavon

It's free to the people who would be receiving it and the money's being donated by a private company, so what's the issue?

I am just trying to come up with a way that enables the homeless to give something back for what they receive.
No one likes to get handouts (it ruins self-esteem). I am thinking about their psychological well-being and their sense of self and self-worth.

Let them 'earn' their benefits and feel more human.
To do otherwise just seems so...inhumane

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

...only as test subjects for new medicines.
Nothing in life is free my friend

rawsavon

It's free to the people who would be receiving it and the money's being donated by a private company, so what's the issue?

I am just trying to come up with a way that enables the homeless to give something back for what they receive.
No one likes to get handouts (it ruins self-esteem). I am thinking about their psychological well-being and their sense of self and self-worth.

Let them 'earn' their benefits and feel more human.
To do otherwise just seems so...inhumane

So making them human guinea pigs is humane and suppose to enhance their self worth? Interesting logic you've got there.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]damn mooching hobos...fastesttruck

[QUOTE="fastesttruck"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]damn mooching hobos...darkfox101

Every homeless person has a different story and you'd be surprised, I'm sure, to learn how many of those stories don't involve drugs.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

It's free to the people who would be receiving it and the money's being donated by a private company, so what's the issue?

worlock77

I am just trying to come up with a way that enables the homeless to give something back for what they receive.
No one likes to get handouts (it ruins self-esteem). I am thinking about their psychological well-being and their sense of self and self-worth.

Let them 'earn' their benefits and feel more human.
To do otherwise just seems so...inhumane

So making them human guinea pigs is humane and suppose to enhance their self worth? Interesting logic you've got there.

Exactly.
What would you have them trade for the services rendered?
...they are homeless after all :?

I realize that many here will laugh at the notion of mental health. But it is just as important as physical well-being.
We must stop the cycle that lead to this point.
I am offering a way to help them physically as well as mentally

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Nothing is free =/= nothing is free to a particular person

I am just trying to come up with a way that enables the homeless to give something back for what they receive.
No one likes to get handouts (it ruins self-esteem). I am thinking about their psychological well-being and their sense of self and self-worth.

Let them 'earn' their benefits and feel more human.
To do otherwise just seems so...inhumane

rawsavon

So making them human guinea pigs is humane and suppose to enhance their self worth? Interesting logic you've got there.

Exactly.
What would you have them trade for the services rendered?
...they are homeless after all :?

I realize that many here will laugh at the notion of mental health. But it is just as important as physical well-being.
We must stop the cycle that lead to this point.
I am offering a way to help them physically as well as mentally

So how exactly does making them subjects of medical experimentation help them mentally?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Nothing is free =/= nothing is free to a particular person

I am just trying to come up with a way that enables the homeless to give something back for what they receive.
No one likes to get handouts (it ruins self-esteem). I am thinking about their psychological well-being and their sense of self and self-worth.

Let them 'earn' their benefits and feel more human.
To do otherwise just seems so...inhumane

rawsavon

So making them human guinea pigs is humane and suppose to enhance their self worth? Interesting logic you've got there.

Exactly.
What would you have them trade for the services rendered?
...they are homeless after all :?

I realize that many here will laugh at the notion of mental health. But it is just as important as physical well-being.
We must stop the cycle that lead to this point.
I am offering a way to help them physically as well as mentally

being a guinea pig doesnt help them, if it was helpful everyone would do it

[QUOTE="darkfox101"][QUOTE="fastesttruck"] You have any idea how sad it is to see them and then to hear what their life used to be like? worlock77

Every homeless person has a different story and you'd be surprised, I'm sure, to learn how many of those stories don't involve drugs.

you are right there, some of them fell out of money in perfectly innocent ways but the fact is at least the ones i've dealt with do not care and do not look for jobs

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="darkfox101"] Yea they sniffed to much crack then went underdragonfly110

Every homeless person has a different story and you'd be surprised, I'm sure, to learn how many of those stories don't involve drugs.

you are right there, some of them fell out of money in perfectly innocent ways but the fact is at least the ones i've dealt with do not care and do not look for jobs

Or they do look for jobs but have trouble finding them because no one wants to hire a homeless person because of certain unfair stigmas attached to homelessness.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So making them human guinea pigs is humane and suppose to enhance their self worth? Interesting logic you've got there.

worlock77

Exactly.
What would you have them trade for the services rendered?
...they are homeless after all :?

I realize that many here will laugh at the notion of mental health. But it is just as important as physical well-being.
We must stop the cycle that lead to this point.
I am offering a way to help them physically as well as mentally

So how exactly does making them subjects of medical experimentation help them mentally?

Being able to 'pay' for what you receive helps with feelings with self-worth.
-or you can take the opposite approach and say having to take handouts impairs one's mental health-

Taking handouts feeds into a vicious cycle of feeling worthless.
I want to stop that cycle and help them mentally...to help them become productive citizens

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So making them human guinea pigs is humane and suppose to enhance their self worth? Interesting logic you've got there.

weezyfb

Exactly.
What would you have them trade for the services rendered?
...they are homeless after all :?

I realize that many here will laugh at the notion of mental health. But it is just as important as physical well-being.
We must stop the cycle that lead to this point.
I am offering a way to help them physically as well as mentally

being a guinea pig doesnt help them, if it was helpful everyone would do it

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Every homeless person has a different story and you'd be surprised, I'm sure, to learn how many of those stories don't involve drugs.

worlock77

you are right there, some of them fell out of money in perfectly innocent ways but the fact is at least the ones i've dealt with do not care and do not look for jobs

Or they do look for jobs but have trouble finding them because no one wants to hire a homeless person because of certain unfair stigmas attached to homelessness.

no, like I said ab ove i used to work in a shelter other then a few exceptions they all came up with excuses for why they didnt apply for work anywhere or even apply for welfare. The only homeless person I've ever met personally that I've felt bad for and I even gave money too was a man his wife and there 4 year old son both the man and wife had recently gotten laid of and unemployment had expired so they were lost there house

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So making them human guinea pigs is humane and suppose to enhance their self worth? Interesting logic you've got there.

weezyfb

Exactly.
What would you have them trade for the services rendered?
...they are homeless after all :?

I realize that many here will laugh at the notion of mental health. But it is just as important as physical well-being.
We must stop the cycle that lead to this point.
I am offering a way to help them physically as well as mentally

being a guinea pig doesnt help them, if it was helpful everyone would do it

Many people do do it in exchange for either medicine or money :?
I am talking about helping with their feelings of self-worth (or lack there of)
...to help them get back on track

No use in having a healthy a body with an 'unhealthy' mind

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Exactly.
What would you have them trade for the services rendered?
...they are homeless after all :?

I realize that many here will laugh at the notion of mental health. But it is just as important as physical well-being.
We must stop the cycle that lead to this point.
I am offering a way to help them physically as well as mentally

rawsavon

So how exactly does making them subjects of medical experimentation help them mentally?

Being able to 'pay' for what you receive helps with feelings with self-worth.
-or you can take the opposite approach and say having to take handouts impairs one's mental health-

Taking handouts feeds into a vicious cycle of feeling worthless.
I want to stop that cycle and help them mentally...to help them become productive citizens

I don't dispute the validity of feeling that you've earned your keep (so to speak), what I dispute is your logic that making them test subjects is suppose to help their mental health. I don't buy it and frankly speaking it sound's like an argument made out of spite.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So how exactly does making them subjects of medical experimentation help them mentally?

worlock77

Being able to 'pay' for what you receive helps with feelings with self-worth.
-or you can take the opposite approach and say having to take handouts impairs one's mental health-

Taking handouts feeds into a vicious cycle of feeling worthless.
I want to stop that cycle and help them mentally...to help them become productive citizens

I don't dispute the validity of feeling that you've earned your keep (so to speak), what I dispute is your logic that making them test subjects is suppose to help their mental health. I don't buy it and frankly speaking it sound's like an argument made out of spite.

Spite?
What spite?

How would you have them 'pay' for their services?
In most cases, they are homeless by choice (by that I mean that they did not do all they could to prevent it)
-it was most likely due to mental issues/feelings of self-worth

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Being able to 'pay' for what you receive helps with feelings with self-worth.
-or you can take the opposite approach and say having to take handouts impairs one's mental health-

Taking handouts feeds into a vicious cycle of feeling worthless.
I want to stop that cycle and help them mentally...to help them become productive citizens

rawsavon

I don't dispute the validity of feeling that you've earned your keep (so to speak), what I dispute is your logic that making them test subjects is suppose to help their mental health. I don't buy it and frankly speaking it sound's like an argument made out of spite.

Spite?
What spite?

How would you have them 'pay' for their services?
In most cases, they are homeless by choice (by that I mean that they did not do all they could to prevent it)
-it was most likely due to mental issues/feelings of self-worth

I wouldn't make them do anything really. It's not my money they're taking.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I don't dispute the validity of feeling that you've earned your keep (so to speak), what I dispute is your logic that making them test subjects is suppose to help their mental health. I don't buy it and frankly speaking it sound's like an argument made out of spite.

worlock77

Spite?
What spite?

How would you have them 'pay' for their services?
In most cases, they are homeless by choice (by that I mean that they did not do all they could to prevent it)
-it was most likely due to mental issues/feelings of self-worth

I wouldn't make them do anything really. It's not my money they're taking.

So you would contribute to the downward cycle of negative self-worth when you could help to elevate it

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Spite?
What spite?

How would you have them 'pay' for their services?
In most cases, they are homeless by choice (by that I mean that they did not do all they could to prevent it)
-it was most likely due to mental issues/feelings of self-worth

rawsavon

I wouldn't make them do anything really. It's not my money they're taking.

So you would contribute to the downward cycle of negative self-worth when you could help to elevate it

What? What exactly should I be doing here? I'm not a stockholder in Pepsi, so I have no say so in what they do with their money. I suppose I could go to their headquarters, rant about how they should be making people do this or that in order to receive money from the company, but the most I'd accomplish by doing that is to be escorted out by security.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I wouldn't make them do anything really. It's not my money they're taking.

So you would contribute to the downward cycle of negative self-worth when you could help to elevate it

What? What exactly should I be doing here? I'm not a stockholder in Pepsi, so I have no say so in what they do with their money. I suppose I could go to their headquarters, rant about how they should be making people do this or that in order to receive money from the company, but the most I'd accomplish by doing that is to be escorted out by security.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Being able to 'pay' for what you receive helps with feelings with self-worth.
-or you can take the opposite approach and say having to take handouts impairs one's mental health-

Taking handouts feeds into a vicious cycle of feeling worthless.
I want to stop that cycle and help them mentally...to help them become productive citizens

rawsavon

I don't dispute the validity of feeling that you've earned your keep (so to speak), what I dispute is your logic that making them test subjects is suppose to help their mental health. I don't buy it and frankly speaking it sound's like an argument made out of spite.

Spite?
What spite?

How would you have them 'pay' for their services?
In most cases, they are homeless by choice (by that I mean that they did not do all they could to prevent it)
-it was most likely due to mental issues/feelings of self-worth

im not sure having mental problems is a choice.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

So you would contribute to the downward cycle of negative self-worth when you could help to elevate it

rawsavon

What? What exactly should I be doing here? I'm not a stockholder in Pepsi, so I have no say so in what they do with their money. I suppose I could go to their headquarters, rant about how they should be making people do this or that in order to receive money from the company, but the most I'd accomplish by doing that is to be escorted out by security.

Well making them do something for it kinda undermines the whole concept of charity doesn't it? But to answer your question, if I were to require something in exchange for the aid I'd have them do some kind of community service.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I don't dispute the validity of feeling that you've earned your keep (so to speak), what I dispute is your logic that making them test subjects is suppose to help their mental health. I don't buy it and frankly speaking it sound's like an argument made out of spite.

Allicrombie

Spite?
What spite?

How would you have them 'pay' for their services?
In most cases, they are homeless by choice (by that I mean that they did not do all they could to prevent it)
-it was most likely due to mental issues/feelings of self-worth

im not sure having mental problems is a choice.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

What? What exactly should I be doing here? I'm not a stockholder in Pepsi, so I have no say so in what they do with their money. I suppose I could go to their headquarters, rant about how they should be making people do this or that in order to receive money from the company, but the most I'd accomplish by doing that is to be escorted out by security.

Well making them do something for it kinda undermines the whole concept of charity doesn't it? But to answer your question, if I were to require something in exchange for the aid I'd have them do some kind of community service.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] You said what you 'WOULD' do when you said: "I wouldn't make them do anything really. It's not my money they're taking." I was posing the question as if you were in control of the situation (obviously none of us have any say)rawsavon

Well making them do something for it kinda undermines the whole concept of charity doesn't it? But to answer your question, if I were to require something in exchange for the aid I'd have them do some kind of community service.

It would certainly be better for them than making them guinea pigs. They could clean up parks, mow public spaces, paint benches, build or refurbish playgrounds. There's any number of things they could do that don't involve turning them into lab rats.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Well making them do something for it kinda undermines the whole concept of charity doesn't it? But to answer your question, if I were to require something in exchange for the aid I'd have them do some kind of community service.

It would certainly be better for them than making them guinea pigs. They could clean up parks, mow public spaces, paint benches, build or refurbish playgrounds. There's any number of things they could do that don't involve turning them into lab rats.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] What would you want a hobo to do? What would the community be comfortable having them do? TBH, I would think it to be similar to what prisoners do on work release. You would think picking up trash like a prisoner to be better for their mental health?rawsavon

It would certainly be better for them than making them guinea pigs. They could clean up parks, mow public spaces, paint benches, build or refurbish playgrounds. There's any number of things they could do that don't involve turning them into lab rats.

If someone chooses to submit their body for such testing that's one thing. I'm sure many college students looking for beer money do. But I'm not going to require it as a condition of aid. Something about that just strikes me as sick.

Free healthcare for the homeless is a waste of money. How about we give it to people who didn't give up on their lives? EVERY person in the U.S. has or had the opportunity to lead good life. The ones that work hard and never give up succeed. The ones who procrastinate and never work, fail. That is how society is and how it should be.SF_KiLLaMaN

This is an over-simplified view. Hardly everyone had this opportunity to lead a "good life." You're not taking socioeconomic factors into account.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

It would certainly be better for them than making them guinea pigs. They could clean up parks, mow public spaces, paint benches, build or refurbish playgrounds. There's any number of things they could do that don't involve turning them into lab rats.

If someone chooses to submit their body for such testing that's one thing. I'm sure many college students looking for beer money do. But I'm not going to require it as a condition of aid. Something about that just strikes me as sick.

Free healthcare for the homeless is a waste of money. How about we give it to people who didn't give up on their lives?

Every one needs help in life.. Many of the homeless are suffering from serious mental defects or diseases.. Or others are people who are drug addicts that never got the help they needed..

EVERY person in the U.S. has or had the opportunity to lead good life.

Generalizations FTL.. No they have not.. To make the assumption is extremely neive.

The ones that work hard and never give up succeed.

:lol: No they don't.. We have half the world's population living in poverty.. They must all be lazy right?

The ones who procrastinate and never work, fail.

Yes.. But not every one who fail procrastinate and/or never work..

That is how society is and how it should be.

Your view is extremely simplistic falling into quite a few logical fallacies.. Life isn't black and white, its a matter of grays. Not every one is the same, is born into the same family, finances and numerous other things..

SF_KiLLaMaN

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] What would you want a hobo to do? What would the community be comfortable having them do? TBH, I would think it to be similar to what prisoners do on work release. You would think picking up trash like a prisoner to be better for their mental health?rawsavon

It would certainly be better for them than making them guinea pigs. They could clean up parks, mow public spaces, paint benches, build or refurbish playgrounds. There's any number of things they could do that don't involve turning them into lab rats.

It should be based upon their decision.. And whether they receive aid or not should have nothing to do on whether they take a risky drug testing that may alter them for the rest of their lives.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

It would certainly be better for them than making them guinea pigs. They could clean up parks, mow public spaces, paint benches, build or refurbish playgrounds. There's any number of things they could do that don't involve turning them into lab rats.

It should be based upon their decision.. And whether they receive aid or not should have nothing to do on whether they take a risky drug testing that may alter them for the rest of their lives.