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[QUOTE="kdt55"]If a cop grabs you and pushes you to the ground because you were being a 'smarty pants' would that be ok with you? Yeah, I'm sure you would say "well, I should of stood up straight and addressed the officer in a polite manner and kept my mouth shut..I deserved it". Yeah right, blow it out your ***. You'd probably want that cop to be punished. But its just a punk skater, so who cares, right.pianist
But he didn't grab him and push him to ground because he was being a smarty pants. He grabbed him and pushed him down because he refused to hand over his skateboard when requested. If you do that to a cop, you'll end up on the ground. Until the kid started lipping off, everything was fine, and they would have just been sent on their way. Even his friends were telling him to shut up.
If a police officer demanded that I turn something over and I got taken down because I was refusing to comply, I wouldn't be stupid enough to think I'd have a reason to complain.
You're obviously biased towards cops no matter what the situation, because he didn't ask for the skateboard. He took it by force without question. That was obvious. Its cool. I take up for cops in situations too, but I don't blindly do so. Just say it..."the cop was an ass and he should be fired". Its not that hard.
[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="kdt55"]If a cop grabs you and pushes you to the ground because you were being a 'smarty pants' would that be ok with you? Yeah, I'm sure you would say "well, I should of stood up straight and addressed the officer in a polite manner and kept my mouth shut..I deserved it". Yeah right, blow it out your ***. You'd probably want that cop to be punished. But its just a punk skater, so who cares, right.kdt55
But he didn't grab him and push him to ground because he was being a smarty pants. He grabbed him and pushed him down because he refused to hand over his skateboard when requested. If you do that to a cop, you'll end up on the ground. Until the kid started lipping off, everything was fine, and they would have just been sent on their way. Even his friends were telling him to shut up.
If a police officer demanded that I turn something over and I got taken down because I was refusing to comply, I wouldn't be stupid enough to think I'd have a reason to complain.
You're obviously biased towards cops no matter what the situation, because he didn't ask for the skateboard. He took it by force without question. That was obvious. Its cool. I take up for cops in situations too, but I don't blindly do so. Just say it..."the cop was an ass and he should be fired". Its not that hard.
From what I saw he had to pry the skateboard away:shock:
Watched the video. This so called "cop" is just a typical power-hungry individual. I have the following to things to say about this: No comment and it was probably an act. Besides, how stupid can someone be to have a video camera recording them for three and a half minutes for you realize it? Honestly.MissRiotmaker
I don't believe it was an act. The kid's friend had a video camera running. The kid was also interviewed by a tv station later and didn't at all seem to have any kind of belligerant attitude. Just a normal kid, and he was scared. Who wouldn't be scared when being yelled at that way by a fascist pig with a god complex?
[QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="kdt55"]If a cop grabs you and pushes you to the ground because you were being a 'smarty pants' would that be ok with you? Yeah, I'm sure you would say "well, I should of stood up straight and addressed the officer in a polite manner and kept my mouth shut..I deserved it". Yeah right, blow it out your ***. You'd probably want that cop to be punished. But its just a punk skater, so who cares, right.ImaPirate0202
But he didn't grab him and push him to ground because he was being a smarty pants. He grabbed him and pushed him down because he refused to hand over his skateboard when requested. If you do that to a cop, you'll end up on the ground. Until the kid started lipping off, everything was fine, and they would have just been sent on their way. Even his friends were telling him to shut up.
If a police officer demanded that I turn something over and I got taken down because I was refusing to comply, I wouldn't be stupid enough to think I'd have a reason to complain.
You're obviously biased towards cops no matter what the situation, because he didn't ask for the skateboard. He took it by force without question. That was obvious. Its cool. I take up for cops in situations too, but I don't blindly do so. Just say it..."the cop was an ass and he should be fired". Its not that hard.
From what I saw he had to pry the skateboard away:shock:
Let's say that you have something that is valuable to you, and a cop is trying to take it away from you for reasons that you don't understand. The kid wasn't riding the skateboard. He was holding it. It didn't belong to the cop, so what right did he have to take it?
The cop was angry from the start, and he was totally out of line with this kid. Taking the skateboard was just a typical overreaching exercise of fascist authoritarianism such as pigs are prone to.
[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]Watched the video. This so called "cop" is just a typical power-hungry individual. I have the following to things to say about this: No comment and it was probably an act. Besides, how stupid can someone be to have a video camera recording them for three and a half minutes for you realize it? Honestly.giton
I don't believe it was an act. The kid's friend had a video camera running. The kid was also interviewed by a tv station later and didn't at all seem to have any kind of belligerant attitude. Just a normal kid, and he was scared. Who wouldn't be scared when being yelled at that way by a fascist pig with a god complex?
Okay if I was in his shoes (the kid's) I wouldn't be scared. In that kind of situation an officer of the law can do one thing and only one thing. That is to confiscate the skateboard. The kid showed no disrespect. Unless you call "I did nothing wrong" disrespecting an authority figure... you need to quit brown-nosing. That officer had no right disrespecting the kid's father, or his parents in general, or the kid himself. In the end, that officer should be dismissed.[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="kdt55"]If a cop grabs you and pushes you to the ground because you were being a 'smarty pants' would that be ok with you? Yeah, I'm sure you would say "well, I should of stood up straight and addressed the officer in a polite manner and kept my mouth shut..I deserved it". Yeah right, blow it out your ***. You'd probably want that cop to be punished. But its just a punk skater, so who cares, right.giton
But he didn't grab him and push him to ground because he was being a smarty pants. He grabbed him and pushed him down because he refused to hand over his skateboard when requested. If you do that to a cop, you'll end up on the ground. Until the kid started lipping off, everything was fine, and they would have just been sent on their way. Even his friends were telling him to shut up.
If a police officer demanded that I turn something over and I got taken down because I was refusing to comply, I wouldn't be stupid enough to think I'd have a reason to complain.
You're obviously biased towards cops no matter what the situation, because he didn't ask for the skateboard. He took it by force without question. That was obvious. Its cool. I take up for cops in situations too, but I don't blindly do so. Just say it..."the cop was an ass and he should be fired". Its not that hard.
From what I saw he had to pry the skateboard away:shock:
Let's say that you have something that is valuable to you, and a cop is trying to take it away from you for reasons that you don't understand. The kid wasn't riding the skateboard. He was holding it. It didn't belong to the cop, so what right did he have to take it?
The cop was angry from the start, and he was totally out of line with this kid. Taking the skateboard was just a typical overreaching exercise of fascist authoritarianism such as pigs are prone to.
The kid was skateboarding where he shouldn't have been. The cop took the skateboard from him in order to set an example. I see nothing wrong with that part.
[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="kdt55"]If a cop grabs you and pushes you to the ground because you were being a 'smarty pants' would that be ok with you? Yeah, I'm sure you would say "well, I should of stood up straight and addressed the officer in a polite manner and kept my mouth shut..I deserved it". Yeah right, blow it out your ***. You'd probably want that cop to be punished. But its just a punk skater, so who cares, right.giton
But he didn't grab him and push him to ground because he was being a smarty pants. He grabbed him and pushed him down because he refused to hand over his skateboard when requested. If you do that to a cop, you'll end up on the ground. Until the kid started lipping off, everything was fine, and they would have just been sent on their way. Even his friends were telling him to shut up.
If a police officer demanded that I turn something over and I got taken down because I was refusing to comply, I wouldn't be stupid enough to think I'd have a reason to complain.
You're obviously biased towards cops no matter what the situation, because he didn't ask for the skateboard. He took it by force without question. That was obvious. Its cool. I take up for cops in situations too, but I don't blindly do so. Just say it..."the cop was an ass and he should be fired". Its not that hard.
From what I saw he had to pry the skateboard away:shock:
Let's say that you have something that is valuable to you, and a cop is trying to take it away from you for reasons that you don't understand. The kid wasn't riding the skateboard. He was holding it. It didn't belong to the cop, so what right did he have to take it?
The cop was angry from the start, and he was totally out of line with this kid. Taking the skateboard was just a typical overreaching exercise of fascist authoritarianism such as pigs are prone to.
Also, that cop had no right to put the kid into a chokehold just to confiscate the board. That's harassment right there and he could have been sued.[QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]Watched the video. This so called "cop" is just a typical power-hungry individual. I have the following to things to say about this: No comment and it was probably an act. Besides, how stupid can someone be to have a video camera recording them for three and a half minutes for you realize it? Honestly.MissRiotmaker
I don't believe it was an act. The kid's friend had a video camera running. The kid was also interviewed by a tv station later and didn't at all seem to have any kind of belligerant attitude. Just a normal kid, and he was scared. Who wouldn't be scared when being yelled at that way by a fascist pig with a god complex?
Okay if I was in his shoes (the kid's) I wouldn't be scared. In that kind of situation an officer of the law can do one thing and only one thing. That is to confiscate the skateboard. The kid showed no disrespect. Unless you call "I did nothing wrong" disrespecting an authority figure... you need to quit brown-nosing. That officer had no right disrespecting the kid's father, or his parents in general, or the kid himself. In the end, that officer should be dismissed.Ummm. I agree with you. I already said numerous times that the cop was way out of line. I'm not sure what that brown-nosing comment of yours was about.
[QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="kdt55"]If a cop grabs you and pushes you to the ground because you were being a 'smarty pants' would that be ok with you? Yeah, I'm sure you would say "well, I should of stood up straight and addressed the officer in a polite manner and kept my mouth shut..I deserved it". Yeah right, blow it out your ***. You'd probably want that cop to be punished. But its just a punk skater, so who cares, right.ImaPirate0202
But he didn't grab him and push him to ground because he was being a smarty pants. He grabbed him and pushed him down because he refused to hand over his skateboard when requested. If you do that to a cop, you'll end up on the ground. Until the kid started lipping off, everything was fine, and they would have just been sent on their way. Even his friends were telling him to shut up.
If a police officer demanded that I turn something over and I got taken down because I was refusing to comply, I wouldn't be stupid enough to think I'd have a reason to complain.
You're obviously biased towards cops no matter what the situation, because he didn't ask for the skateboard. He took it by force without question. That was obvious. Its cool. I take up for cops in situations too, but I don't blindly do so. Just say it..."the cop was an ass and he should be fired". Its not that hard.
From what I saw he had to pry the skateboard away:shock:
Let's say that you have something that is valuable to you, and a cop is trying to take it away from you for reasons that you don't understand. The kid wasn't riding the skateboard. He was holding it. It didn't belong to the cop, so what right did he have to take it?
The cop was angry from the start, and he was totally out of line with this kid. Taking the skateboard was just a typical overreaching exercise of fascist authoritarianism such as pigs are prone to.
The kid was skateboarding where he shouldn't have been. The cop took the skateboard from him in order to set an example. I see nothing wrong with that part.
You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.[QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="kdt55"]If a cop grabs you and pushes you to the ground because you were being a 'smarty pants' would that be ok with you? Yeah, I'm sure you would say "well, I should of stood up straight and addressed the officer in a polite manner and kept my mouth shut..I deserved it". Yeah right, blow it out your ***. You'd probably want that cop to be punished. But its just a punk skater, so who cares, right.ImaPirate0202
But he didn't grab him and push him to ground because he was being a smarty pants. He grabbed him and pushed him down because he refused to hand over his skateboard when requested. If you do that to a cop, you'll end up on the ground. Until the kid started lipping off, everything was fine, and they would have just been sent on their way. Even his friends were telling him to shut up.
If a police officer demanded that I turn something over and I got taken down because I was refusing to comply, I wouldn't be stupid enough to think I'd have a reason to complain.
You're obviously biased towards cops no matter what the situation, because he didn't ask for the skateboard. He took it by force without question. That was obvious. Its cool. I take up for cops in situations too, but I don't blindly do so. Just say it..."the cop was an ass and he should be fired". Its not that hard.
From what I saw he had to pry the skateboard away:shock:
Let's say that you have something that is valuable to you, and a cop is trying to take it away from you for reasons that you don't understand. The kid wasn't riding the skateboard. He was holding it. It didn't belong to the cop, so what right did he have to take it?
The cop was angry from the start, and he was totally out of line with this kid. Taking the skateboard was just a typical overreaching exercise of fascist authoritarianism such as pigs are prone to.
The kid was skateboarding where he shouldn't have been. The cop took the skateboard from him in order to set an example. I see nothing wrong with that part.
It was unnecessary to take the skateboard from the kid, just as all the histrionics that went with it were unnecessary. Typical abuse of authority by a cop.
[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]Watched the video. This so called "cop" is just a typical power-hungry individual. I have the following to things to say about this: No comment and it was probably an act. Besides, how stupid can someone be to have a video camera recording them for three and a half minutes for you realize it? Honestly.giton
I don't believe it was an act. The kid's friend had a video camera running. The kid was also interviewed by a tv station later and didn't at all seem to have any kind of belligerant attitude. Just a normal kid, and he was scared. Who wouldn't be scared when being yelled at that way by a fascist pig with a god complex?
Okay if I was in his shoes (the kid's) I wouldn't be scared. In that kind of situation an officer of the law can do one thing and only one thing. That is to confiscate the skateboard. The kid showed no disrespect. Unless you call "I did nothing wrong" disrespecting an authority figure... you need to quit brown-nosing. That officer had no right disrespecting the kid's father, or his parents in general, or the kid himself. In the end, that officer should be dismissed.Ummm. I agree with you. I already said numerous times that the cop was way out of line. I'm not sure what that brown-nosing comment of yours was about.
Brown-nosing means "***-kissing" "sucking up"... you get my drift, and that comment was a general statement for the people who think the cop did the right and professional thing.[QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="kdt55"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="kdt55"]If a cop grabs you and pushes you to the ground because you were being a 'smarty pants' would that be ok with you? Yeah, I'm sure you would say "well, I should of stood up straight and addressed the officer in a polite manner and kept my mouth shut..I deserved it". Yeah right, blow it out your ***. You'd probably want that cop to be punished. But its just a punk skater, so who cares, right.MissRiotmaker
But he didn't grab him and push him to ground because he was being a smarty pants. He grabbed him and pushed him down because he refused to hand over his skateboard when requested. If you do that to a cop, you'll end up on the ground. Until the kid started lipping off, everything was fine, and they would have just been sent on their way. Even his friends were telling him to shut up.
If a police officer demanded that I turn something over and I got taken down because I was refusing to comply, I wouldn't be stupid enough to think I'd have a reason to complain.
You're obviously biased towards cops no matter what the situation, because he didn't ask for the skateboard. He took it by force without question. That was obvious. Its cool. I take up for cops in situations too, but I don't blindly do so. Just say it..."the cop was an ass and he should be fired". Its not that hard.
From what I saw he had to pry the skateboard away:shock:
Let's say that you have something that is valuable to you, and a cop is trying to take it away from you for reasons that you don't understand. The kid wasn't riding the skateboard. He was holding it. It didn't belong to the cop, so what right did he have to take it?
The cop was angry from the start, and he was totally out of line with this kid. Taking the skateboard was just a typical overreaching exercise of fascist authoritarianism such as pigs are prone to.
Also, that cop had no right to put the kid into a chokehold just to confiscate the board. That's harassment right there and he could have been sued.I think the cop should be sued, and fired too, for that matter.
The cop was out of line, I agree. But you have to remember how hard it would be to remain professional in that kind of situation. Obviously asking the kids nicely to stop wouldn't have done anything.ImaPirate0202Actually the kids did stop skateboarding when he asked them to. The kid with the earphones didn't because he couldn't hear him. The kid did nothing wrong. He didn't back-talk or show disrespect... besides the constant "dude".
You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.MissRiotmaker
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]The cop was out of line, I agree. But you have to remember how hard it would be to remain professional in that kind of situation. Obviously asking the kids nicely to stop wouldn't have done anything.MissRiotmakerActually the kids did stop skateboarding when he asked them to. The kid with the earphones didn't because he couldn't hear him. The kid did nothing wrong. He didn't back-talk or show disrespect... besides the constant "dude".
As I said before, I agree, the cop was out of line. He could of done a much better job of handling the situation.
Remember, I am only attempting to do what the title of this thread says:)
[QUOTE="kdt55"]What did the kid do that was so bad?
pianist
He was skateboarding in a prohibited area, and after being asked to stop, he started being lippy with a police officer. You can hear it in his voice, even on the video, and if you listen to the dialogue, it's clear that the kid IS being arrogant and defensive until his friends finally convince him to sit down and shut up. And I still don't buy the "I didn't hear you" BS. Why the hell did he leave his ear plugs in when a police officer was talking to his friends? Why keep skateboarding when it was clear his friends had been asked to stop?
I wonder what part of this nearly one-side conversation between the officer and the kid was lip. Was it the "I don't have a father" or the "I didn't do anything wrong" or the "I couldn't hear you"? Seriously... pay attention. How do you know the kid doesn't have a father? The kid didn't do anything wrong at all. He simply did not here the original request from the officer. I wonder what part of this nearly one-side conversation between the officer and the kid was lip. Was it the "I don't have a father" or the "I didn't do anything wrong" or the "I couldn't hear you"? Seriously... pay attention. How do you know the kid doesn't have a father? The kid didn't do anything wrong at all. He simply did not here the original request from the officer. Stop brown-nosing authorities.Actually the kids did stop skateboarding when he asked them to. The kid with the earphones didn't because he couldn't hear him. The kid did nothing wrong. He didn't back-talk or show disrespect... besides the constant "dude".[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]The cop was out of line, I agree. But you have to remember how hard it would be to remain professional in that kind of situation. Obviously asking the kids nicely to stop wouldn't have done anything.ImaPirate0202
As I said before, I agree, the cop was out of line. He could of done a much better job of handling the situation.
Remember, I am only attempting to do what the title of this thread says:)
Well you can try, but it's impossible. However the "jerk" portion isn't needed. The guy isn't a jerk, just an out-of-control egomaniac.[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.ImaPirate0202
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
If a cop threatened to take my skateboard away from me, I would ask why. That's enough time of "resistance" for that cop to have gotten physical, pretty much identical to what happened. It doesn't matter if the kid has "endured worse". At least try to think about what you're saying first.It was unnecessary to take the skateboard from the kid, just as all the histrionics that went with it were unnecessary. Typical abuse of authority by a cop.
giton
Confiscating the skateboard may have been unnecessary, but the cop would be allowed too. Hell, he could've taken all their skateboards if he had wanted too. They were caught skateboarding in a prohibited area.
[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.ImaPirate0202
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
The cop had no justifiable reason to confiscate the skateboard. It served no purpose other than to assert the cops power and authority.
If you ever get grabbed and forced to the ground by a cop who completely lacks justification for doing so, you'll understand why it is not a joke. Cops have ultimate power over you. You cannot resist them, or they can arrest you or even, if it suits them, kill you.
[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.MissRiotmaker
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
If a cop threatened to take my skateboard away from me, I would ask why. That's enough time of "resistance" for that cop to have gotten physical, pretty much identical to what happened. It doesn't matter if the kid has "endured worse". At least try to think about what you're saying first.But the kid already knows why:shock:
The cop said earlier that they weren't allowed to skate there.
[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.giton
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
The cop had no justifiable reason to confiscate the skateboard. It served no purpose other than to assert the cops power and authority.
If you ever get grabbed and forced to the ground by a cop who completely lacks justification for doing so, you'll understand why it is not a joke. Cops have ultimate power over you. You cannot resist them, or they can arrest you or even, if it suits them, kill you.
It seems like some of you just have personal vendetta's against cops;)
[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.ImaPirate0202
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
If a cop threatened to take my skateboard away from me, I would ask why. That's enough time of "resistance" for that cop to have gotten physical, pretty much identical to what happened. It doesn't matter if the kid has "endured worse". At least try to think about what you're saying first.But the kid already knows why:shock:
The cop said earlier that they weren't allowed to skate there.
He didn't NEED to take the skateboard. He didn't need to throw the kid to the ground, nor did he need to act like a drama queen. All he needed to do was get the kid's attention and tell them to move off the restricted area. That does not require or justify the cop going ballistic or taking the skateboard, either one.
At least you agree, the cop is the jerk. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by defending the indefensible.
[QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.ImaPirate0202
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
The cop had no justifiable reason to confiscate the skateboard. It served no purpose other than to assert the cops power and authority.
If you ever get grabbed and forced to the ground by a cop who completely lacks justification for doing so, you'll understand why it is not a joke. Cops have ultimate power over you. You cannot resist them, or they can arrest you or even, if it suits them, kill you.
It seems like some of you just have personal vendetta's against cops;)
It's more a matter of principle. I oppose the state and its representatives.
i saw it on nothingtoxic.com a while ago. I AM NOT A DUDE should be put on a t-shirt xDShadow_opThey do have one but not almost.
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[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.giton
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
If a cop threatened to take my skateboard away from me, I would ask why. That's enough time of "resistance" for that cop to have gotten physical, pretty much identical to what happened. It doesn't matter if the kid has "endured worse". At least try to think about what you're saying first.But the kid already knows why:shock:
The cop said earlier that they weren't allowed to skate there.
He didn't NEED to take the skateboard. He didn't need to throw the kid to the ground, nor did he need to act like a drama queen. All he needed to do was get the kid's attention and tell them to move off the restricted area. That does not require or justify the cop going ballistic or taking the skateboard, either one.
At least you agree, the cop is the jerk. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by defending the indefensible.
Whether he needed to or not is irrelevant. It's all about whether the cop feels it necessary. And in that case, he did.
The same thing can happen when you get caught for speeding. The cop needs to give you a ticket, but sometimes will just give you a warning. Unfortunately, the kids got caught by a hard-ass... tough luck.
EDIT: I didn't see the last part of your post... I'm just bored:D
[QUOTE="giton"]He didn't NEED to take the skateboard. He didn't need to throw the kid to the ground, nor did he need to act like a drama queen. All he needed to do was get the kid's attention and tell them to move off the restricted area. That does not require or justify the cop going ballistic or taking the skateboard, either one.
At least you agree, the cop is the jerk. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by defending the indefensible.
ImaPirate0202
Whether he needed to or not is irrelevant. It's all about whether the cop feels it necessary. And in that case, he did.
The same thing can happen when you get caught for speeding. The cop needs to give you a ticket, but sometimes will just give you a warning. Unfortunately the kids got caught by a hard-ass, tough luck.
Cops are not gods, nor do they have a right to rule people. I don't agree they have any right to exercise any sort of authority on behalf of the state. But even if I were to posit for the sake of argument that they did, the cop is still not justified in using unnecessary force.
[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="giton"]He didn't NEED to take the skateboard. He didn't need to throw the kid to the ground, nor did he need to act like a drama queen. All he needed to do was get the kid's attention and tell them to move off the restricted area. That does not require or justify the cop going ballistic or taking the skateboard, either one.
At least you agree, the cop is the jerk. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by defending the indefensible.
giton
Whether he needed to or not is irrelevant. It's all about whether the cop feels it necessary. And in that case, he did.
The same thing can happen when you get caught for speeding. The cop needs to give you a ticket, but sometimes will just give you a warning. Unfortunately the kids got caught by a hard-ass, tough luck.
Cops are not gods, nor do they have a right to rule people. I don't agree they have any right to exercise any sort of authority on behalf of the state. But even if I were to posit for the sake of argument that they did, the cop is still not justified in using unnecessary force.
I agree to the first half.
But I don't agree that the cop used unnecessary force when taking the skateboard away. But just about everything else he did in that video was unnecessary.
[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.ImaPirate0202
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
If a cop threatened to take my skateboard away from me, I would ask why. That's enough time of "resistance" for that cop to have gotten physical, pretty much identical to what happened. It doesn't matter if the kid has "endured worse". At least try to think about what you're saying first.But the kid already knows why:shock:
The cop said earlier that they weren't allowed to skate there.
What part of "earphones" isn't getting through to you? After he removed them, which was after he stopped skateboarding, he picked it up and didn't skateboard anymore. Therefore the officer had no right. All of the kids did as asked, and that was to stop skateboarding. /thread[QUOTE="giton"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.ImaPirate0202
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
The cop had no justifiable reason to confiscate the skateboard. It served no purpose other than to assert the cops power and authority.
If you ever get grabbed and forced to the ground by a cop who completely lacks justification for doing so, you'll understand why it is not a joke. Cops have ultimate power over you. You cannot resist them, or they can arrest you or even, if it suits them, kill you.
It seems like some of you just have personal vendetta's against cops;)
Considering my brother's (passed away after being in a motorcycle accident) best friend is a cop who when I was admitted to the hospital for a broken leg after being on the receiving end of an alcohol-caused accident, he personally made it his responsibility to catch whoever was in the other car, and he did. I have nothing against the police, they keep society from running wild. If there was ANY disrespect in this little video, it was the disrespect the police department got from that officer's image.
[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"] hate it when people these days count every little sign of physical contact as assault. OMG he twirled him onto the ground!: ASSAULT He's grabbing him by the wrists!: ASSAULT He (frigging) tapped his shoulder!: RAPE . . .okay assault. You need to loosen up, force can work wonders when used properly. I was smacked once or twice when I was younger, it bloody hurt but at least I didn't try to cross the line again.pianist
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Awesome...
Anyways, I agree. There was no assault here. I think a lot of people just don't like the police because the police prevent them from doing whatever they want. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some forumites here have had brushes with the police over similar things. They obviously won't see this situation with any objectivity at all.
Actually when I was 16 I jumped over to the neighbors yard to listen to my music. The person who lived there died 3 or so years before this happened. 20 minutes later I see a flashlight. I figure it is somebody from the neighborhood so I get startled and try to get back to my house. The wall was too high so after a minute or so I jump over the main gate. Two cops are waiting for me.
At this point I just stand there and wait for them to approach me (I was scared as **** cause I've never broken the law). They start questioning me and I tell them the truth and eventually they just tell me to not do it again or else I would have to pay a fine or something.
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So I really don't agree with the officer here. The kid simply states he didn't hear him. I feel it was best that the cop just repeats himself to the kid so that he stops. To start telling him that his parents aren't doing a good job and then grabbing the board from him in that manor was just strange. I'm sorry but if I was in that situation I would try to at least get off the ground so to say that he pushed him back down again is fair doesn't seem right to me. I think it's important to remember the kid was 14. At that age you really don't expect a police officer to go on a rampage because you are talking to him the same way you would talk with a family member.
[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"] You find nothing wrong with the physical exertion the cop used on the kid? So pushing around kids half your size is right in your mind? You're sick. The kid had earphones on, he didn't hear him tell them not to skateboard. When he finally removed his earphones and the cop told him not to skateboard the kid said he didn't hear him before and that's when the cop began to become unprofessional.MissRiotmaker
...I'm sure the kid is fine.
The cop asked for the skateboard and the kid refused. The cop did what he had to to confiscate the skateboard. Calling what he did "physical exertion", or "harrasment", is a joke. The kid is fine, I'm sure he has endured much worse.
If a cop threatened to take my skateboard away from me, I would ask why. That's enough time of "resistance" for that cop to have gotten physical, pretty much identical to what happened. It doesn't matter if the kid has "endured worse". At least try to think about what you're saying first.But the kid already knows why:shock:
The cop said earlier that they weren't allowed to skate there.
What part of "earphones" isn't getting through to you? After he removed them, which was after he stopped skateboarding, he picked it up and didn't skateboard anymore. Therefore the officer had no right. All of the kids did as asked, and that was to stop skateboarding. /threadOh yea... I totally buy that excuse:roll:
I dunno, but I see it both ways...sure, the cop could've handled it differently, but the kid could've handed him the skateboard...
Anyways, it'd be harder to defend the officer in this case. I would say it impossible. He's definitely losing the lawsuit.
Roll your eyes all you want, but if a cop put his hands on you because of something so small, you would a have a problem with that..and a case for that matter. Watch the video again. See how he pushes the kid when he tries to get up...Imagine if that was you. YOU CAN'T GET UP BOY!! SHUT UP!! ANd all this is stemming from some illegal skateboarding. LOL!! You guys are used to taking up for cops, and it seems it takes a lot for cops to do wrong in your eyes.kdt55
i agree. you will always find those who are apologists for authoritarian rule on every forum and in every meat-space gathering. what is surprising is that there are so many government toadies and authoritarian sycophants on a gamer's forum. if the public's perception of us were accurate, you'd expect to see more anti-establishment sentiment displayed here. it's embarrassing.
BAAAAAHHHH. most people are sheep.
[QUOTE="kdt55"]Roll your eyes all you want, but if a cop put his hands on you because of something so small, you would a have a problem with that..and a case for that matter. Watch the video again. See how he pushes the kid when he tries to get up...Imagine if that was you. YOU CAN'T GET UP BOY!! SHUT UP!! ANd all this is stemming from some illegal skateboarding. LOL!! You guys are used to taking up for cops, and it seems it takes a lot for cops to do wrong in your eyes.giton
i agree. you will always find those who are apologists for authoritarian rule on every forum and in every meat-space gathering. what is surprising is that there are so many government toadies and authoritarian sycophants on a gamer's forum. if the public's perception of us were accurate, you'd expect to see more anti-establishment sentiment displayed here. it's embarrassing.
BAAAAAHHHH. most people are sheep.
HAHA, I thought I was the only one who noticed this. I don't blame them though, their parents might constantly point out how cops are right, even when they're caught on tape doing horrible injustices. Its easy to say "You have no idea what its like to be a cop, so this cop was correct...no matter what you see with your own eyes (Sean Hannity!)". I'm sorry if that sounds unfair, but thats how I see it. It takes a lot for me to criticize a cop, but when its obvious that a cop..well, shouldn't be a cop, I won't hesitate to at least say so.
I dunno, but I see it both ways...sure, the cop could've handled it differently, but the kid could've handed him the skateboard...
Anyways, it'd be harder to defend the officer in this case. I would say it impossible. He's definitely losing the lawsuit.
gasmaskman
Totally agreed. To all the people going ballistic over the original topic - HERE is an example of real police brutality, and something which does certainly require disciplinary action. The skateboard incident was nothing. Calling it 'brutality' or 'Nazi oppression' or so forth is utter nonsense, and that is made ever more clear when you see examples of true brutality.
[QUOTE="gasmaskman"]I dunno, but I see it both ways...sure, the cop could've handled it differently, but the kid could've handed him the skateboard...
Anyways, it'd be harder to defend the officer in this case. I would say it impossible. He's definitely losing the lawsuit.
pianist
Totally agreed. To all the people going ballistic over the original topic - HERE is an example of real police brutality, and something which does certainly require disciplinary action. The skateboard incident was nothing. Calling it 'brutality' or 'Nazi oppression' or so forth is utter nonsense, and that is made ever more clear when you see examples of true brutality.
So police brutality begins with the tipping over of paraplegics. Wow. Plus, I never said what the cop did in the original video was police brutaility...I just thought it was a fireable offense. He's obviously not a cop for the right reason. He's a friggin punk that probably beats his wife.
i agree. you will always find those who are apologists for authoritarian rule on every forum and in every meat-space gathering. what is surprising is that there are so many government toadies and authoritarian sycophants on a gamer's forum. if the public's perception of us were accurate, you'd expect to see more anti-establishment sentiment displayed here. it's embarrassing.
BAAAAAHHHH. most people are sheep.
giton
Yes, I agree. Just look how far humans got before the concept of organized government. I'd much rather be living in a mud hut thinking about how I would find something to eat tomorrow.
You can criticize the notion of government all you like, but when you get right down to it, we would not have come nearly so far as we have come as a species if it were not for the urge to organize our efforts collectively on a grand scale. That sort of organization requires government - what you call 'authoritarian rule.' The smaller the society, the less efficient it is from the perspective of development, as can clearly be seen by how little progress has been made by native tribes in Africa or South America by comparison to the 'civilized world.'
With no government and no law enforcement, modern society would quickly degenerate into mob rule, and in all likelihood, it would be marked with what is essentially gang warfare on a grand scale. There would still be 'government' of sorts, but it would be less structured, and would rely on force and violence to a much higher degree than it does now. It would look a lot like Medieval Europe - you know, before the development of organized, democratic government. Believing in a utopia where a vast, efficient society can exist, free of any application of force in any manner whatsoever by one individual or group against another is as silly as believing that communism can work. It's an idea that sounds wonderful on paper, but is totally impractical, because people by their nature are greedy and selfish, and will, in the absense of authority or consequences, band together to take what they want or need at the expense of those who are weaker than them.
Sometimes I wish that the government WOULD collapse, just to show all the rebellious, anti-establishment sorts how crappy our society would be in the absense of it.
So police brutality begins with the tipping over of paraplegics. Wow. Plus, I never said what the cop did in the original video was police brutaility...I just thought it was a fireable offense. He's obviously not a cop for the right reason. He's a friggin punk that probably beats his wife.
kdt55
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And the skateboarder is obviously some punk kid that breaks into people's houses and shoplifts Ipods because he was lippy to a cop in this incident, which obviously indicates contempt for authority. See what jumping to conclusions gets you? How do you know how this guy treats his wife based on one incident? If someone videotaped you when you were angry, does that mean you are always angry?
HAHA, I thought I was the only one who noticed this. I don't blame them though, their parents might constantly point out how cops are right, even when they're caught on tape doing horrible injustices. Its easy to say "You have no idea what its like to be a cop, so this cop was correct...no matter what you see with your own eyes (Sean Hannity!)". I'm sorry if that sounds unfair, but thats how I see it. It takes a lot for me to criticize a cop, but when its obvious that a cop..well, shouldn't be a cop, I won't hesitate to at least say so.
kdt55
If I see a cop commit a horrible injustice, I'm as quick to condemn as any other rational person. But what you posted was not a horrible injustice. The point I've been making from the beginning of this thread is that the cop over-reacted to this incident, and that people here are over-reacting to it as well.
Lots of people are saying that the cop should have just told them to move on (which seems to have initially been the case... except for one of them). I can guarantee you this - if there were no real consequences to breaking the law by skateboarding there, the kids would be back there within a couple of hours.
So the kid got yelled at, pushed to the ground and had his board taken, so what? - are we supposed to feel sorry for the skater?
Fandangle
Yes. We're supposed to feel that we're being crushed by authoritarian oppression, and that a horrible injustice has been committed. We're also supposed to believe that the cop should be fired and sued for what he did. Because clearly, the skater endured enormous physical and psychological trauma when he was confronted for doing something illegal.
So the kid got yelled at, pushed to the ground and had his board taken, so what? - are we supposed to feel sorry for the skater?
Fandangle
Yes, you are. He was treated wrong.
[QUOTE="kdt55"]So police brutality begins with the tipping over of paraplegics. Wow. Plus, I never said what the cop did in the original video was police brutaility...I just thought it was a fireable offense. He's obviously not a cop for the right reason. He's a friggin punk that probably beats his wife.
pianist
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And the skateboarder is obviously some punk kid that breaks into people's houses and shoplifts Ipods because he was lippy to a cop in this incident, which obviously indicates contempt for authority. See what jumping to conclusions gets you? How do you know how this guy treats his wife based on one incident? If someone videotaped you when you were angry, does that mean you are always angry?
OK buddy, maybe he doesn't beat his wife, but he likes to bully little kids for minor offenses that at the most deserve a warning, and if anything more..a fine. My uncle beat my aunt when I was younger, and this guy we're talking about has the same friggin attitude. Its like he wants you to say something..so he can have a reason to do what he really wants to...which is get physical (which he did, which was uncalled for). The kid... maybe he does break into peoples house and shoplifts IPODS, and if the cop catches him doing so, then maybe his actions would be justified, but thats not the case. Plus, if someone videotaped me when I was angry in public...on the job, working for the state, I guarantee I wouldn't have acted like this fool that you are defending.
Yeah I'd say the cop delivered justice just fine there. He could have just fired a round at the ground near the kid that would have shut him up real quick.
I say let the cop get off free and make the little punk do some time since he was apparently doing something illegal.
OK buddy, maybe he doesn't beat his wife, but he likes to bully little kids for minor offenses that at the most deserve a warning, and if anything more..a fine. My uncle beat my aunt when I was younger, and this guy we're talking about has the same friggin attitude. Its like he wants you to say something..so he can have a reason to do what he really wants to...which is get physical (which he did, which was uncalled for). The kid... maybe he does break into peoples house and shoplifts IPODS, and if the cop catches him doing so, then maybe his actions would be justified, but thats not the case. Plus, if someone videotaped me when I was angry in public...on the job, working for the state, I guarantee I wouldn't have acted like this fool that you are defending.
kdt55
Funny... he didn't seem to be bullying anyone else in the video. Even the "Go Skating Day" video was worse than this. As for the minor offense, it certainly is minor, but it's an offense nonetheless. Why is it illegal to skate there? Probably because it is dangerous for passerbys, has the potential to damage public property, or can get the city sued if a kid gets hurt there (you know it would happen).
Anyways, I don't have personal experience with a person who has beat a significant other before, so perhaps you see something in this cop that I don't. But from my perspective, he didn't do anything that makes me think "he should be fired." The kids, in all likelihood, knew that skateboarding was illegal in that location, as it is in most public spaces. Like the old saying goes, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
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