Gamer Girl Bullied off web by Feminist

@hailtothequeen said:

@Shielder7 said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

Called her house? Oh like how people were harassing the families of Zoe and Anita? LMAO, sorry bud but none of the harassment you mentioned that was allegedly directed towards the girl in the video comes close to the level of harassment Zoe and Anita, and those that support them, have received. In both cases the harassment is wrong, NOTHING warrants this shit on either side, but your hypocrisy is laughable and just plain sad.

This anti-SJW bullshit is also pathetic. People are literally declaring themselves against the discussion and progression towards equality in gaming. What is it about certain groups of gamers that makes them completely incapable of listening to these topics without going batshit crazy? Insecurity? Lack of empathy? This topic is discussed damn near daily in regards to TV and film, yet you don't see fans of either threatening to kill bloggers for bringing up how Cersei was treated in the recent season of 'Game of Thrones'.

In the end, all this has done is severely hurt the image of all gamers. If it does get national attention, you better hope some random senator does't hear about these harassment cases and begin to go on some crusade against violence in video games...something that has already happened before.

If anything is to be achieved in regards to the apparent "corruption" in gaming journalism, or sexism in video games, it will be done by level headed, civil individuals - not the people on forums such as this. Which is why everyone should move the hell on. You in particular...starting with not making a new thread every day about this stupid topic.

Wow I must have really pushed some buttons! You're entire rant is completely discredited by the fact Zoe and Anita have made a living on being the professional victim.

How are you a professional victim if you're actually being freaking threatened and harassed? Are you mentally retarded? Seems like if someone on the opposing side is harassed or threatened, then they are just playing the victim but if an anti-feminist is threatened or harassed then they are legit victims. LOL Its kinda like how racist white people think blacks are just playing the race card when they are discriminated against but white people are hopelessly oppressed in their minds.

Are you because Sarkeesian and Quinn have been caught red handed lying multiple of times and continue to do so shamelessly. Hell Quinn has even lied about being harassed and doxxed herself and a charity for women in order to make a profit.

This girl has not anything of the sort that I know of. I don't trust Sarkeesian and Quinn under the reasoning "Fool me once shame on you fool me XTimes shame on me" Not to mention the harassing tweets look like they came right out of demented Twilight Fantasy.

"Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see this isn’t even real. Ten tweets? Default “egg” avatar? Every tweet solely devoted to Anita? Smells like a typical sockpuppet troll to me."

Extremely well said. The gaming community is so crass and manbabyish.

I wonder if you or that guy writing the article even know what misogyny means? I'm beginning to think a lot of stupid SJW don't as they seem to use it as a see all end all arguments. Just because I don't like certain women doesn't mean I hate all women.

Here's a better article ones that's not afraid to actually tell it as it is.

http://nichegamer.net/2014/08/self-entitlement-steam-black-outs-and-you-why-this-is-silly/

@PannicAtack: i didn't say it was an excuse, she had every right. That's true, but she acts like she is the only one

tell me, who here hates woman? I see you white knight all of these threads (maybe a bit biased in your situation?) and what evidence can you provide to back up this claim.

The problem with the recent trend of feminism in gaming? While they have some valid points about what they are talking about, its the attitude/way its presented that's too militant for most people. And its more of an overall critique of society that just happens to be the ire of video games at the moment. And they really don't have much of a solution, other than trying to change the minds of the young males they are targeting. Want to be successful? Encourage parents of these suburban kids to not BUY these games for them. Don't let them play online in matches, were this sort of stupid behavior is learned. Some games just have mature content that adds to the story. Other games just have mature content just for the sake of having it. I won't be buying the latter games for my children because I personally find them mind numbing. If they want to buy them when they reach adulthood, that's their prerogative.

you know why this is right? because the current biggest gaming related feminist is an awful representation of feminism.. managed to get $160k off people to make wiki pedia level research youtube videos.... you claim people dont have evidence.... but they do. she is a professional victim and makes you all look bad.

Its not about being against feminism.. only people like you think this way. but not every feminist is out for equality... far from it... infact most of you just follow people like her because its easy for you to agree on such shallow representations of "we are in the same boat".

Oh and do share your hardships with us... have you been judged by men? or treated as disposable? or worthless? welcome to the club. because this happens to both sexes all the time, WELCOME TO LIFE.

Its funny how this social media woman knew she was posting "Jack Thompson" level claims against gamers without no real proof, just concepts and feminist buzzwords with know scientific proof, studies or anything... and that is acceptable to you? how did you NOT expect her to get mass-levels of trolling....? oh wait THATS WHAT A PROFESSIONAL VICTIM WANTS!

"I'm being abused online for my feminist pride! DONATE TO ME ONE HOUR LATER!"

enough with this nonsense... stop claiming its innocent because it suits you... when its so damn obvious it isnt.

again, nobody has ever said that on this board, care to provide proof of otherwise? and what this article means anything? a 10 year old knows about this.... online trolling whoopdey do. the sad part about all of this, which is what you LOVE to ignore and what people like Anite LOVE TO CENSOR is the honest, good posts rebuteling her points... she bans them all under the same flag, jsut like you shove everyone under the same flag.

you are as bad as her... but keep clinging to that denial.... must make a wonderful safety blanket.

Funny. A respected feminist intellectual has manifested that she's against the 3rd wave of feminism that's becoming the voice of feminism in games. She's an equality feminist, and she's claiming that the new wave is more concerned with hate towards men than actually solving gender equality problems. She's been twitting on the #gamergate issue, denouncing how wrong she deems it.

She needs to make a comeback.... but then, all the young girls today will watch young anita's videos ... take them as accurate because she quotes wikipedia and a few academic terms anyone can pick up in minutes....

I think you've missed the point, but given the other side representation, that's a given.

It's never been the podium that creates the discrimination/idealism/harassment. All it does is allow someone who stand up there and act the way that they truly wish to. That guy or gal isn't being an ass or jerk because they hide being anon online they just let you see it because they think there is nothing you can do to them in retaliation. All of the sexism and such sells. It's a supply to a very apparent demand. Big name companies will play the perception game but indie ones, ironic to the context of the latest drama fest, won't be nearly as restricted and hell might highly benefit from such a thing.

You can try and teach morals but you can't morality. The subtle difference is that you may think that John's demeanor means that he would never hurt a defenseless animal but when no one can hold him to it he might kill a kitten and enjoy it. Morals will keep a kid from calling some random lady a **** around others on the street but morality would keep them from doing it online behind the anon wall.

So removing a podium does nothing, absolutely nothing, against the problem. All it does is shift it to the next one.

Also...I'd say that the mmorpg environment, no matter the theme of mature or "for everyone", is far more toxic and apparent of social issues than any call of duty or grand theft auto game.

Feminists are evil

I get the point, I just think its misguided/idealistic. Being more pragmatic about problems generally leads to better solutions.

While I agree that the median of which something is done is typically not the problem. And I agree- young male men love naked women and violence. That kinda coincides with the my first point the current trend being overly idealistic.

Now here is where we disagree. Most of society is built on the premise that doing wrong comes with punishment. It does have an effect on people who without it, might resort to measures frowned upon by society (and no I'm not speaking only of sociopaths). Take an occurrence in daily life where someone has wronged you. Isn't it only natural to want to seek revenge? I'll be the first to admit - yes. Some people (myself included) have an instinctual reaction to react to the wrong but we don't because a) It isn't really worth our time, depending on the wrong or b) We know society will punish us if we do. This is how biologically speaking, we were MEANT to react because it could be a life or death decision in early human history. The cases you are referring to when someone only does it when they know they won't get caught...online does offer a veil of anonymity that they probably wouldn't get anywhere else, but you are right, the median doesn't mean much. However, the majority of people are taught of consequences for their actions and adhere to them (or try too).

I agree about the mmorpg environment as well. Online gaming, in my PERSONAL opinion, is pretty much a cancer on the gaming industry. I know most would disagree. It shifts the focus away from storylines, and into whatever you want to call online gaming.

I don't think they are evil. They are just accepting radicalization by following the wrong leaders, that are almost derailing the movement into misandry. They should re-evaluate the movement, so that they can truly sit together with other groups and talk issues through, instead of trying to impose unilaterally and/or surreptitiously their valid points.

/facepalm. (see what I did there?... probably not...)

You blame the anonymity of the internet on online gaming.... and label it the cancer of the industry? sorry, since when has a GAME had to focus on story lines? whats the definition of a game? have you noticed most kids/teens playing sports are just as potty mouthed and disrespectful... and unforgiving to those that are not good? welcome to youth in competitive enviroments.

Don't blame the online games.... its certain people and their anon as you have both discuss already.... but how the hell can you label multiplayer gaming over the internet cancerous? you sound ridiculous... I've met many good people playing these games... just because you've overhead idiots spouting crap doesn't change any of that... and like EVERY ONLINE GAME EVER has ways to mute/silence the people that do. and they can get punished.

I just believe it is easier for the anon to dull and fade much easier in a mmorpg than Call of Duty, and in doing so, can lead to much more personal and serious lashings that do push past the anon. When it comes to harassment and such anon is used on both sides as cover and a shield.

I had written more but it was really saying the same so I've edited it down. But I do love mmorpgs and I have some friends across the states whom I've gamed with since 1999 because of it. I'm not saying online gaming is bad just that some environments can be potentially more harmful than others.

A lot of these discussions and arguements only make this matter worse, I feel.

Ok, so first off take a game that is a current video game on a gaming console or previous one that isn't a game meant to NOT have a storyline (sports, simple puzzle games, etc) and tell me one that doesn't have some sort of storyline. Games are nowadays considered an art form, it kinda comes with the territory. Even if the storyline is somewhat negligible or bad, it generally still has one. What I should have said is that online gaming has generally caused developers to not place much importance on the storyline, and focus mostly on the online aspect of a video game. Oh and by the way - I've been to plenty of sports games in my time involving youth - while you generally have a couple of bad apples, most of the time its relatively harmless activity. Much less than online gaming sessions that I've been involved with. Its one thing if a kid has a "potty mouth" as you say, its another entirely for a person to spew bitterly hostile or belligerent remarks at everything.

I didn't say everyone who plays online is a bad person. I've done it myself with certain games. It just facilitates a passive acceptance of trolling no where else in society generally does. Yea you say there are safeguards for that - they don't always work tho, do they? I just meant its cancerous because of the destruction of single player storylines, where plenty of developers have openly admitted they don't really care about anymore cause that's not where the money is.

Ignoring the first paragraphic, simple because its spouting the obvious... everything ahsa theme/justification/very basic story.... but its not what keeps most of these players.

Sorry but how does a mute button ever fail? it doesn't.

Cancerous because another form of gaming is more popular than what you personally want? and stop with the art excuse... while gaming is made up of different forms of art and can be classified as art in its own right, they are also consumer products... and GAMES... your traditional definition of Art does not cut it for this form of entertainment... one that pretty much covers/requires most other art forms rolled into one.... but then factor in competition and rules of interactivity....

I mean, god forbid that playing games with other people all around the world instead of following a linear script that never holds up to books/movies i such a bad thing... I mean a game should focus on hand holding you through a story.... not provide depthful game mechanics in a group setting that have endless replayablity.. a feeling of improvement, comeptition and social benefits.... instead lets face that terrible A.I in most single player games until we run out of cutscenes... because they managed to shove a half-decent story in there and make it pretty.

You make a statement that says games don't have to focus on storylines, yet later you acknowledge its common sense that all games have them. Nice.

Some games allow you to type messages :). Others allow you to message people.

Well first off, I'd surmise its more popular because the games are being marketed at people who have a lot of time to play video games (people in school, youth, etc). The younger generally don't care as much for storylines (not always). I'd say its becoming apparent that there are many people exactly like me, which is why the indie market has exploded as of late. We have less time to focus on games than those that don't. Also, way to trivialize the declaration that video games are an art form, you know, the declaration that kept it open for the government to NOT censor the very games we are discussing. It's like using the veil of protection of considering it an art form, than absolving yourself of the title because you want to act like its not important.

I've played plenty of games that rival movie/book scripts. It's all in the eye of the beholder is it not? Your opinion of their storylines doesn't make it so. I agree that multiplayer can extend the life cycle of a game - but to tell you the truth, I'm not really too interested in that. I acknowledge that is my personal opinion and you obviously have yours about multiplayer. I even stated it was in reference to it being cancerous, it was my personal opinion, and knew most wouldn't agree with me. If others like multiplayer - that's fine. I don't hate people for it. I really like games involving a group of friends in the same room, and do that at times.

@Shielder7: Oh, another fake video

And whats the deal with the focus on dumb and dumber lately?

... nice in what sense? focus .. and having a basic one is not the same thing. hell I could have a flying bannana shooting down aliens and you can assume there is a reason..... as long as you make one. you can't not inter-prate something from images or actions/theme. my statement did not condradict or buffer your statement.... but judging by the rest of your response you like to read what you want to read between the lines.

Messages can be ignored and instantly deleted. nobody puts a gun to you and force you to read pointless insults.... just stop.... your grasping.

Assumptions, assumptions .... I am of working age.... and most of my collegues play online and single player games... since you know... in a single player story game.. while you control the pace, it still takes an hour or 2 of gameplay to see any worthwhile story. yet a multi-player match dependant on game can be 10-60 minutes long. so unless you have any real statistics to back this up.... kindly take your assumptions somewhere where they are welcome....

I never said anything negative about gaming as an art, something you happily insinuated again to suit your argument. I simple stated that the aspects of gaming are so varied... even gameplay/interaction elements are their own art ... that storyline is not a requirement and art is definitely not a tick box for you to label. There is no one way to make games art... and your idea basically screams to me "Games need to be like movies/books to be considered art" .... which is nonsense.... and is what truly does injustice to gaming.

I know what you said was opinion, doesn't mean I can't critisize it, especially when using such a strong term of negativity... how much exposure have you even had to it?

Radical feminists have an asnwer for that too, any women who disagrees with their ridiculous narrow minded view has "internalized misogyny and is the enemy.Last few days I've seen real gamer girls being harassed on twitter by so called "equality warriors", they even got called out for not being real girls but trolls in disguise.

@Shielder7 said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

Called her house? Oh like how people were harassing the families of Zoe and Anita? LMAO, sorry bud but none of the harassment you mentioned that was allegedly directed towards the girl in the video comes close to the level of harassment Zoe and Anita, and those that support them, have received. In both cases the harassment is wrong, NOTHING warrants this shit on either side, but your hypocrisy is laughable and just plain sad.

This anti-SJW bullshit is also pathetic. People are literally declaring themselves against the discussion and progression towards equality in gaming. What is it about certain groups of gamers that makes them completely incapable of listening to these topics without going batshit crazy? Insecurity? Lack of empathy? This topic is discussed damn near daily in regards to TV and film, yet you don't see fans of either threatening to kill bloggers for bringing up how Cersei was treated in the recent season of 'Game of Thrones'.

In the end, all this has done is severely hurt the image of all gamers. If it does get national attention, you better hope some random senator does't hear about these harassment cases and begin to go on some crusade against violence in video games...something that has already happened before.

If anything is to be achieved in regards to the apparent "corruption" in gaming journalism, or sexism in video games, it will be done by level headed, civil individuals - not the people on forums such as this. Which is why everyone should move the hell on. You in particular...starting with not making a new thread every day about this stupid topic.

Wow I must have really pushed some buttons! You're entire rant is completely discredited by the fact Zoe and Anita have made a living on being the professional victim.

...um, are you a moron? That doesn't discredit anything. Because 1) Whether they "play the victim" or not, the harassment (death threats, etc.) are still REAL. 2) AS I MENTIONED, the harassment isn't just directed at them, other bloggers have been attacked as well.

Next time, actually read what I post.

http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself

Read this, I'm not saying it was staged but it's certainly suspicious. I wouldn't doubt her if she actually called the police, instead of just tweeting how she was chased away from her own home by misogyny .

@SaintLeonidas said:

@Shielder7 said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

Called her house? Oh like how people were harassing the families of Zoe and Anita? LMAO, sorry bud but none of the harassment you mentioned that was allegedly directed towards the girl in the video comes close to the level of harassment Zoe and Anita, and those that support them, have received. In both cases the harassment is wrong, NOTHING warrants this shit on either side, but your hypocrisy is laughable and just plain sad.

This anti-SJW bullshit is also pathetic. People are literally declaring themselves against the discussion and progression towards equality in gaming. What is it about certain groups of gamers that makes them completely incapable of listening to these topics without going batshit crazy? Insecurity? Lack of empathy? This topic is discussed damn near daily in regards to TV and film, yet you don't see fans of either threatening to kill bloggers for bringing up how Cersei was treated in the recent season of 'Game of Thrones'.

In the end, all this has done is severely hurt the image of all gamers. If it does get national attention, you better hope some random senator does't hear about these harassment cases and begin to go on some crusade against violence in video games...something that has already happened before.

If anything is to be achieved in regards to the apparent "corruption" in gaming journalism, or sexism in video games, it will be done by level headed, civil individuals - not the people on forums such as this. Which is why everyone should move the hell on. You in particular...starting with not making a new thread every day about this stupid topic.

Wow I must have really pushed some buttons! You're entire rant is completely discredited by the fact Zoe and Anita have made a living on being the professional victim.

...um, are you a moron? That doesn't discredit anything. Because 1) Whether they "play the victim" or not, the harassment (death threats, etc.) are still REAL. 2) AS I MENTIONED, the harassment isn't just directed at them, other bloggers have been attacked as well.

Next time, actually read what I post.

Sorry I'm thinking the same thing about you and hailtothequeen right now... his point is obvious to me at least. It doesn't matter if the threats are real, infact that helps her case. she knows nothing will actually happen to her. she is far from the first .... ofcourse anyone related would be attacked, she came and did a Jack Thompson ... no worse... she has done a Jack Thompson AND FOX NEWS level youtube videos attacking an entire medium, an entire genre.... even then she admitting to not being interested in the industry she is attacking.

She has pissed off many people, and no not because they like being sexist and are afraid she will take that away.... but because she is s*itting on so many people's childhoosd alone with mario over something very innocent... let alone the rest of the nonsense where we play hitman do abuse dead girls and wank off to it.

She is sick in the head, no wait, no she isn't ... shes clever.... clever at twisting, clever at marketing.

Tell me... when she posted that "One way you can support feminism" post 1 hour after her twitter exploded with new views over threats (REAL OR NOT) ... tell me how donating to her helps anyone? she had 160k to make 5 youtube videos over a year ago (which was scheduled to only take alittle time) ... none of which provided anything but empty fallacies and enraged more people with its twisted view.

Why is it so hard to see? this isn't tinfoil crap... this isnt even subtle!

@Bikouchu35 said:

Oh dear god maybe Shielder was trying to warn us after all.

So women are pigs?

Good job Anita!

This is a useless comment. And this is how I will contribute to this whole debacle.

Guess, I will ask you the same - um, are you a moron? As I said, even if she truly doesn't care what harassment she gets (which I doubt is the case), that DOES NOT dispute the fact that the harassment is REAL. It DOES NOT dispute the fact that psychotic gamers are sending death/rape threats, and hacking her personal information. As I ALREADY mentioned, and I am not sure why this can't get through your head, NOTHING warrants the harassment directed towards her and other bloggers who have defended her. Nothing. This isn't hard to understand. Discussing sexism in games is not reason to wish death or rape on someone. End of story. But it IS happening.

THE ONLY WAY your argument even begins to make sense is that if there was ACTUAL evidence that ALL OF THIS was made up, and she was tricking people. But this harassment ISN'T made up. Forums, gamers, etc. have openly discussed the harassment/hacking, etc. that they have done to her. Other bloggers have seen and received the same treatment for speaking out against it. If you can't see this then you are truly blind...or made you are just OKAY with it, and that just makes you just as psychotic as those sending her the threats.

And again, as I ALREADY mentioned (here is a thought, actually read what I post) it DOES NOT matter if she uses the harassment she receives, and the attention from it, to raise money to continue making videos and spreading the message she believes is important. She has followers who do believe what she does is important. She has supporters who thinks she doesn't deserve the shit being done to her. If they want to donate, that is fine. They have every right to support her. Along with that, if she wants to take advantages of all the abusive morons who wish she was dead, by posting links to her donation site right next to their abuse, then good on her. It still doesn't make the actual harassment she is getting any more childish, psychotic and plain sickening.

Way to not contribute anything of value to the discussion. Tell your dad I said hi.

1) Incase you havn't noticed how trolling works, you specifically say bad things about people to get a reaction, worse s*it is said while playing games or argueing about anything on the internet. everything used on her is not new, not more severe than many other forms of internet abuse. and none of us say it is ok. we are saying she KNOWS THIS. yet most of the people her advertising is aimed at clearly DONT. And once again, so called GENIUS. DISCUSSING AND TWISTING A VIEW ARE NOT THE SAME THING! her videos are full of s*it and proven to be... she is not the first feminist on gaming... but she is the first major corrupt money milking Jack Thompson sequal looking to profit GET THAT INTO YOUR SKULL.

2) I dont care about the made up bit? I already said "if real or not" ... most of my arguements come from her own s*itty research, lying to everyone "Im a life long gamer" yet one of her uni lectures she says "Now I barely play any games? why would I, I find violence gross, so I had to do a lot of research!" and the crap about hitman ect.

3) Important? twisting information and scenarios is important? most of the people that click her crap are casual internet goer's that watch her video, without questioning, without sources.... without knowing a thing about the topic and go "Hmmm this appeals to me as a woman.... sounds good, shes well spoken and has a nice camera... and uses acedmic quotes... directly from the wiki.

any decent feminist... OH WAIT THERE ARE LOADS THAT ALREADY HAVE posted better material for free.

just stop. your an embarrassment .

Sorry to jump into your discussion. But are those threatning her really representative of the whole "gamer" demographic though? Are we all like that? Are feminists that bullies people online or that base their arguments on ad hominem and straw men representative of feminists?

Does the discussion really lies in that area? Or is it happening amidst the caos these radicals make, between those trying to be civil and actually talking with each other? Because, trust me, these guys are the majority. No, actually, the real majority is the one that wants no part in it, because they are actually afraid of voicing their opinion, because they are more neutral than most taking part of it, and are afraid of suffering backlash from both sides. Sadly.

I have already mentioned in previous posts that this is only a small portion of gamers.

Yup, you have proven yourself just as pathetic and blinded as those harassing her. Good job.

@Shielder7 said:

@hailtothequeen said:

@Shielder7 said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

Called her house? Oh like how people were harassing the families of Zoe and Anita? LMAO, sorry bud but none of the harassment you mentioned that was allegedly directed towards the girl in the video comes close to the level of harassment Zoe and Anita, and those that support them, have received. In both cases the harassment is wrong, NOTHING warrants this shit on either side, but your hypocrisy is laughable and just plain sad.

This anti-SJW bullshit is also pathetic. People are literally declaring themselves against the discussion and progression towards equality in gaming. What is it about certain groups of gamers that makes them completely incapable of listening to these topics without going batshit crazy? Insecurity? Lack of empathy? This topic is discussed damn near daily in regards to TV and film, yet you don't see fans of either threatening to kill bloggers for bringing up how Cersei was treated in the recent season of 'Game of Thrones'.

In the end, all this has done is severely hurt the image of all gamers. If it does get national attention, you better hope some random senator does't hear about these harassment cases and begin to go on some crusade against violence in video games...something that has already happened before.

If anything is to be achieved in regards to the apparent "corruption" in gaming journalism, or sexism in video games, it will be done by level headed, civil individuals - not the people on forums such as this. Which is why everyone should move the hell on. You in particular...starting with not making a new thread every day about this stupid topic.

Wow I must have really pushed some buttons! You're entire rant is completely discredited by the fact Zoe and Anita have made a living on being the professional victim.

How are you a professional victim if you're actually being freaking threatened and harassed? Are you mentally retarded? Seems like if someone on the opposing side is harassed or threatened, then they are just playing the victim but if an anti-feminist is threatened or harassed then they are legit victims. LOL Its kinda like how racist white people think blacks are just playing the race card when they are discriminated against but white people are hopelessly oppressed in their minds.

Are you because Sarkeesian and Quinn have been caught red handed lying multiple of times and continue to do so shamelessly. Hell Quinn has even lied about being harassed and doxxed herself and a charity for women in order to make a profit.

This girl has not anything of the sort that I know of. I don't trust Sarkeesian and Quinn under the reasoning "Fool me once shame on you fool me XTimes shame on me" Not to mention the harassing tweets look like they came right out of demented Twilight Fantasy.

"Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see this isn’t even real. Ten tweets? Default “egg” avatar? Every tweet solely devoted to Anita? Smells like a typical sockpuppet troll to me."

You can't be this naive. LOL This is what I'm talking about. Your "evidence" claiming that something is refuted is laughable. First of all, you seriously find it odd that someone would create a new account to harass someone? Really? You think most people use their own accounts so that they can get banned? LOL Clearly, you don't understand how trolls work. I have seen this sort of thing on twitter, forums, irc and even in games, where people will create new accounts or names just to target someone anonymously. People have even done it to me frequently. My favorite was when a clan of people who hated me on a game actually created a new clan using a bunch of smurf names just for the sole purpose of trying to beat my team in a league. Spoiler: They failed.

And then you assume that its her just because the spelling and grammar are perfect? LOL What? Your logic is batshit insane. You sound like a freaking conspiracy theorists ranting about how al mass shootings are false flags. So let me see if I understand this correctly. You're saying that it can't be some guy harassing her because most guys can't spell or use proper grammar? Or the person supposedly had each tweet planned out because no regular twitter user knows how to use proper grammar fast enough to make tweets in that length of time? Alrighty then.... Holy crap, I hope you never try to become lawyer because I'd feel sorry for anyone you tried to represent in court.

I need to get my friend Wooks on here to debate you guys. She would absolutely eat you alive. LOL

Basically you don't like women who want equality and it shows in your posts. You're like conservative christian fundamentalists here in the United States and Muslim fundamentalists in the middle-east. You prefer women who are okay with you have more power and rights than them. I mean the fact that you're against the idea of equality (social justice) says everything we need to know about you.

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@Bikouchu35 said:

Oh dear god maybe Shielder was trying to warn us after all.

So women are pigs?

Good job Anita!

Except she never actually said all men are pigs. This is more fictional nonsense made up by anti-feminists, like when they created the Ban Fathersday hoax that backfired and made them look like the morons that they are...

Lets be hoesnt Feminism is what America's government & NeoCons supported the Three Punk Gang in Moscow at the Church remember those three losers whom cant sing?

@hailtothequeen: I've lost brain cells reading your delusional and fanatical posts defending these psychopathic women who claim to be in favor of social justice but instead are opportunists and internet bullies. Your generalizations of people who disagree with you also make you seem brainwashed.

This is a good point. She didn't ever say men are pigs. This is just more evidence that the manchildren in the gaming community are fighting against imaginary versions of feminism.

But the bullying is happening.

@hailtothequeen said:

Basically you don't like women who want equality and it shows in your posts. You're like conservative christian fundamentalists here in the United States and Muslim fundamentalists in the middle-east. You prefer women who are okay with you have more power and rights than them. I mean the fact that you're against the idea of equality (social justice) says everything we need to know about you.

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@Bikouchu35 said:

Oh dear god maybe Shielder was trying to warn us after all.

So women are pigs?

Good job Anita!

Except she never actually said all men are pigs. This is more fictional nonsense made up by anti-feminists, like when they created the Ban Fathersday hoax that backfired and made them look like the morons that they are...

Its just joke post that I made from a pict I found from 9gag. Just saying that it had spread beyond her yt channel and gaming sites.

Was in tears from laughing so hard at this portion of that picture. I love how now that this whole situation has received more attention, and people are finally like "these gamers are morons" all of the sudden you have gamers backing down and bitching about being mocked... Um here is a thought, don't act like childish psychopaths to begin with, and people won't look down on video games. Many people predicted when this all started that this would be the case, that this would do nothing but hurt video games, and overall it really has. These gamers have brought this on themselves

@SaintLeonidas said:

@SambaLele said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@hailtothequeen said:

Except she never actually said all men are pigs. This is more fictional nonsense made up by anti-feminists, like when they created the Ban Fathersday hoax that backfired and made them look like the morons that they are...

This is a good point. She didn't ever say men are pigs. This is just more evidence that the manchildren in the gaming community are fighting against imaginary versions of feminism.

But the bullying is happening.

Was in tears from laughing so hard at this portion of that picture. I love how now that this whole situation has received more attention, and people are finally like "these gamers are morons" all of the sudden you have gamers backing down and bitching about being mocked... Um here is a thought, don't act like childish psychopaths to begin with, and people won't look down on video games. Many people predicted when this all started that this would be the case, that this would do nothing but hurt video games, and overall it really has. These gamers have brought this on themselves

You mean, like those with the nerd shaming #describeagamerin4words on twitter, those with the fat shaming (against Boogie2988), and the ones threatening a 10 y.o. kid for God knows why?

What do you mean by "people are finally like 'these gamers are morons' "? Why did you employ the word "finally"?

Gamers aren't backing down. It's the complete opposite. But I can see that you're not a gamer yourself, or at least don't see yourself as one. Is that right?

And who predicted that which you're talking about?

@SambaLele said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

@SambaLele said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@hailtothequeen said:

Except she never actually said all men are pigs. This is more fictional nonsense made up by anti-feminists, like when they created the Ban Fathersday hoax that backfired and made them look like the morons that they are...

This is a good point. She didn't ever say men are pigs. This is just more evidence that the manchildren in the gaming community are fighting against imaginary versions of feminism.

But the bullying is happening.

Was in tears from laughing so hard at this portion of that picture. I love how now that this whole situation has received more attention, and people are finally like "these gamers are morons" all of the sudden you have gamers backing down and bitching about being mocked... Um here is a thought, don't act like childish psychopaths to begin with, and people won't look down on video games. Many people predicted when this all started that this would be the case, that this would do nothing but hurt video games, and overall it really has. These gamers have brought this on themselves

You mean, like those with the nerd shaming #describeagamerin4words on twitter, those with the fat shaming (against Boogie2988), and the ones threatening a 10 y.o. kid for God knows why?

Gamers aren't backing down. It's the complete opposite. But I can see that you're not a gamer yourself, or at least don't see yourself as one. Is that right?

And who predicted that which you're talking about?

LMAO, I love when people act like morons and attack bloggers, etc., then people begin to attack back and all the sudden it is "NO FAIR! HOW DARE THEY MAKE FUN OF US!!"...You can't act like a child and not expect for others to begin to attack back on your level. Best way to talk to a moron is to speak their language so they can actually understand you.

And I have already said multiple times that both sides have approached this the wrong way, but for the people who started this all (and who have still been the worst offenders) to act like this isn't their fault is hilarious.

And MANY people predicted this. Plenty of bloggers and commenters have stated this would only end up making videos games, which often already get a bad wrap, to be viewed more negatively. You even now have devs. coming out trying to stop all this bullshit because they know it only hurts the industry. "They see us as a joke. They mock our hobby"...yeah, why the **** do you think that is?

Generalizations? That's funny considering how often anti-feminists like to make sweeping generalizations. LOL And you want to talk about fanatical? At least i'm not starting 10,000 threads a day about this same topic like SOME people on here. Some of you are worse than religious fundies with this stuff.

@Bikouchu35 said:

@hailtothequeen said:

Basically you don't like women who want equality and it shows in your posts. You're like conservative christian fundamentalists here in the United States and Muslim fundamentalists in the middle-east. You prefer women who are okay with you have more power and rights than them. I mean the fact that you're against the idea of equality (social justice) says everything we need to know about you.

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@Bikouchu35 said:

Oh dear god maybe Shielder was trying to warn us after all.

So women are pigs?

Good job Anita!

Except she never actually said all men are pigs. This is more fictional nonsense made up by anti-feminists, like when they created the Ban Fathersday hoax that backfired and made them look like the morons that they are...

Its just joke post that I made from a pict I found from 9gag. Just saying that it had spread beyond her yt channel and gaming sites.

Ah a joke... Sure. Just like the Ban Fathersday thing was a joke, I bet. You guys need to stop trying to pass off your cheap tactics as jokes. You're not fooling anyone, especially when you don't even try to make them sound like jokes. I must have missed the freaking punchline. LOL

@SaintLeonidas said:

@SambaLele said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

@SambaLele said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@hailtothequeen said:

Except she never actually said all men are pigs. This is more fictional nonsense made up by anti-feminists, like when they created the Ban Fathersday hoax that backfired and made them look like the morons that they are...

This is a good point. She didn't ever say men are pigs. This is just more evidence that the manchildren in the gaming community are fighting against imaginary versions of feminism.

But the bullying is happening.

Was in tears from laughing so hard at this portion of that picture. I love how now that this whole situation has received more attention, and people are finally like "these gamers are morons" all of the sudden you have gamers backing down and bitching about being mocked... Um here is a thought, don't act like childish psychopaths to begin with, and people won't look down on video games. Many people predicted when this all started that this would be the case, that this would do nothing but hurt video games, and overall it really has. These gamers have brought this on themselves

You mean, like those with the nerd shaming #describeagamerin4words on twitter, those with the fat shaming (against Boogie2988), and the ones threatening a 10 y.o. kid for God knows why?

Gamers aren't backing down. It's the complete opposite. But I can see that you're not a gamer yourself, or at least don't see yourself as one. Is that right?

And who predicted that which you're talking about?

LMAO, I love when people act like morons and attack bloggers, etc., then people begin to attack back and all the sudden it is "NO FAIR! HOW DARE THEY MAKE FUN OF US!!"...You can't act like a child and not expect for others to begin to attack back on your level. Best way to talk to a moron is to speak their language so they can actually understand you.

And I have already said multiple times that both sides have approached this the wrong way, but for the people who started this all (and who have still been the worst offenders) to act like this isn't their fault is hilarious.

And MANY people predicted this. Plenty of bloggers and commenters have stated this would only end up making videos games, which often already get a bad wrap, to be viewed more negatively. You even now have devs. coming out trying to stop all this bullshit because they know it only hurts the industry. "They see us as a joke. They mock our hobby"...yeah, why the **** do you think that is?

Acting like childs... you mean like sounding histerical with caps on their texts and gratuitious swearing and offending? Hmm... right.

And... attack bloggers? You mean, attacked, I guess. Because most gamers are just being civil, yet getting gratuitous attacks as replies. This one is an example, which is the previous link:

The only ones hurting the industry are those doing the swearing, shaming, and the journalists making articles filled of hate-speech, stereotyping and generalizations.

So, bloggers and commenters have predicted that, right? Let me guess... probably the same ones making those anti-gamer hate-speech articles.

And by naming a worst offender your point is to justify slander from one side? Is that it?

@SambaLele said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

@SambaLele said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@hailtothequeen said:

Except she never actually said all men are pigs. This is more fictional nonsense made up by anti-feminists, like when they created the Ban Fathersday hoax that backfired and made them look like the morons that they are...

This is a good point. She didn't ever say men are pigs. This is just more evidence that the manchildren in the gaming community are fighting against imaginary versions of feminism.

But the bullying is happening.

Was in tears from laughing so hard at this portion of that picture. I love how now that this whole situation has received more attention, and people are finally like "these gamers are morons" all of the sudden you have gamers backing down and bitching about being mocked... Um here is a thought, don't act like childish psychopaths to begin with, and people won't look down on video games. Many people predicted when this all started that this would be the case, that this would do nothing but hurt video games, and overall it really has. These gamers have brought this on themselves

You mean, like those with the nerd shaming #describeagamerin4words on twitter, those with the fat shaming (against Boogie2988), and the ones threatening a 10 y.o. kid for God knows why?

What do you mean by "people are finally like 'these gamers are morons' "? Why did you employ the word "finally"?

Gamers aren't backing down. It's the complete opposite. But I can see that you're not a gamer yourself, or at least don't see yourself as one. Is that right?

And who predicted that which you're talking about?

And what about the other side of this argument? The people on your side who send death threats, harass people, make endless threads attacking feminists and female gamers in general if they happen to agree about sexism in gaming. And even attacks on men who agree. There is plenty of stupidity going around from everyone.

And you're seriously pulling the "you're not a real gamer" nonsense with people? Guess what? I do call myself a gamer and I think that a large percentage of gamers are complete neck-bearded morons. Its been that way since I first started as a kid and it will probably always be that way.

And I dare you... I freaking DARE you to say I'm not a gamer. If you think so then pick any multi-player FPS game (on PC unless its Gears of War) I have and I will beat you so badly that you will accuse me of hacking and rage-quit from the server. ;O) And that goes for anyone else on here who wants to make that claim. I don't even need to see you play to know that this GAMER will crush you like an insect.

@SambaLele said:

Acting like childs... you mean like sounding histerical with caps on their texts and gratuitious swearing and offending? Hmm... right.

And... attack bloggers? You mean, attacked, I guess. Because most gamers are just being civil, yet getting gratuitous attacks as replies. This one is an example, which is the previous link:

The only ones hurting the industry are those doing the swearing, shaming, and the journalists making articles filled of hate-speech, stereotyping and generalizations.

So, bloggers and commenters have predicted that, right? Let me guess... probably the same ones making those anti-gamer hate-speech articles.

And by naming a worst offender your point is to justify slander from one side? Is that it?

Your post literally makes no sense. It is like you are just blurting out random points.

I say - Both sides are getting attacked, but gamers started it, and point out their harassment towards bloggers...your response - "OH, derp, bloggers are getting attacked? What, like, derp, just like some gamers are??" Um I already said they are both approaching this wrong. I already acknowledged that some gamers are now getting harassed. Both sides have received hate. That still DOES NOT negate the FACT that gamers started it, and they can't now play the victim just because some non-gamers have begun to react in a similar manner. I don't think you realize how the world works.

"The only ones hurting the industry are those doing the swearing, shaming" you literally just described what gamers have been doing since this all started. You just forgot to add death/rape threats, hacking, harassing peoples families, etc. Again, just because some non-gamers/bloggers are now shaming some gamers, it does not negate the fact that this is the result of their original actions. Both sides are wrong to act this way, but gamers can't complain that people view them as a joke if the reason for that view is how they have been acting.

"So, bloggers and commenters have predicted that, right? Let me guess... probably the same ones making those anti-gamer hate-speech articles." Uh no...but of course you would assume that. Any sane, level headed person who has any common sense would see that gamers threatening/harassing people would make the industry look bad. It honestly isn't hard. Like I said, even game devs. are coming out to stop all this shit.

"And by naming a worst offender your point is to justify slander from one side? Is that it?" Again, uh no. Did you like forget what my original post was? If you were actually paying attention you'd realize the reason that I would mention gamers as the worst offenders would be because my original point was that it was pathetic that some of them are trying to play victim even though they are the ones who have done the worst shit.

People on both sides made death threats. And truly, people on "my" side? Whose side do you think I'm on? Of these people propagating hate, slander and threats? None, I'm not on anyone's side in this. They are all wrong. Equally wrong. You can't talk with someone without antagonizing? I'm a feminist myself, only that I side with my sister and fiancée, which are equality feminists; I'm not into this third-wave feminism that is all about imposing your stances, instead of bringing both men and women together as equals. Prevalence of reason, not force. Yes, I know that in the discourse level 3rd wave also say they defend the same thing, but it means nothing when they adopt their offensive means of discussion, hate-speech and accepts subversive means of spreading the ideology, instead of exposing it through open debate. Like a famous President once said "Armies by day, not guerrillas by night".

Different from an actual old time scholar equality feminist on the issue, who instead of jumping her guns because someone screamed misogyny, first read and went after all the data she could before making any judgements on this:

But again, we're losing time here. This is not about feminists. This also shouldn't be about gamers, but journalists of the gaming medium. Feminists were literally used by journalists as a diversion, and as suppression of the issue that surfaced.

What are you guys points then? If you also don't condone harassment coming from both sides, what is your point here? Both have to be equally condemned.

Look at the hate-speech that is employed without you noticing it:

What is a large percentage to you? Is that representative of gamers?

And so what if there are gamers that are like you described (I won't use a word I deem aggressive)? Does that warrant you to slander the whole group like that? Does that work well with black, fat or gay slander on stereotypes? Careful with double standards. Hate-speech through generalizing or by bashing what you take as a stereotype is just that: hate-speech, prejudice. And this applies equally to all groups.

Ok, you are a gamer. Thankfully at least you didn't fall for that campaign against the word itself.

@SaintLeonidas said:

@SambaLele said:

Acting like childs... you mean like sounding histerical with caps on their texts and gratuitious swearing and offending? Hmm... right.

And... attack bloggers? You mean, attacked, I guess. Because most gamers are just being civil, yet getting gratuitous attacks as replies. This one is an example, which is the previous link:

The only ones hurting the industry are those doing the swearing, shaming, and the journalists making articles filled of hate-speech, stereotyping and generalizations.

So, bloggers and commenters have predicted that, right? Let me guess... probably the same ones making those anti-gamer hate-speech articles.

And by naming a worst offender your point is to justify slander from one side? Is that it?

Your post literally makes no sense. It is like you are just blurting out random points.

I say - Both sides are getting attacked, but gamers started it, and point out their harassment towards bloggers...your response - "OH, derp, bloggers are getting attacked? What, like, derp, just like some gamers are??" Um I already said they are both approaching this wrong. I already acknowledged that some gamers are now getting harassed. Both sides have received hate. That still DOES NOT negate the FACT that gamers started it, and they can't now play the victim just because some non-gamers have begun to react in a similar manner. I don't think you realize how the world works.

"The only ones hurting the industry are those doing the swearing, shaming" you literally just described what gamers have been doing since this all started. You just forgot to add death/rape threats, hacking, harassing peoples families, etc. Again, just because some non-gamers/bloggers are now shaming some gamers, it does not negate the fact that this is the result of their original actions. Both sides are wrong to act this way, but gamers can't complain that people view them as a joke if the reason for that view is how they have been acting.

"So, bloggers and commenters have predicted that, right? Let me guess... probably the same ones making those anti-gamer hate-speech articles." Uh no...but of course you would assume that. Any sane, level headed person who has any common sense would see that gamers threatening/harassing people would make the industry look bad. It honestly isn't hard. Like I said, even game devs. are coming out to stop all this shit.

"And by naming a worst offender your point is to justify slander from one side? Is that it?" Again, uh no. Did you like forget what my original post was? If you were actually paying attention you'd realize the reason that I would mention gamers as the worst offenders would be because my original point was that it was pathetic that some of them are trying to play victim even though they are the ones who have done the worst shit.

So I'm saying things like "derp"? Do you really wish to continue arguing? What's your next mature move? Call me names and say I'm being offensive?

And I'm the one making random arguments? Look at this:

"Both sides are wrong to act this way, but gamers can't complain that people view them as a joke if the reason for that view is how they have been acting."

You before:

So "gamers" are the worst offenders? How can they be the worst offenders if you admit yourself that these people does not represent gamers?