Well, it's got the, uhh... worker. With the wheat. And that farm tool thingy...PannicAtackPick axe, I think. =P
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A literary analyst cannot be a valid interpreter if they don't understand the language, culture, syntax etc. You cannot use mere literarly analysis to interprete the Bible (or other works) if you do not understand context and culture. It won't be a valid interpretation.[A very specific one? No.
Its not an oxymoron. Just as a literary analyst can have a valid interpretation of a poem without being the poet themselves (not an an absolutely fitting analogy but I think it works). One may interpret the Bible purely from a literary analysis' scope. Even if their religious affilliation affects them we dont if that leads them the wrong way or the right way. It is possible that a non Christian can get past some positive prejudices of a Christian and see the text more clearly.
Some people may agree with him because they like him and because they hate the people he debates against. But you cant claim that all do so for that reason.
And yes of course that like or dislike may affect our predisposition, it is not necessarily the decisive factor.
Teenaged
I've seen people make points against him that are skipped over by others because they want to believe him. OT is very much about popularity.
...why am I still going to a board full of people who hate me?tekken220I want specific names of those that hate you.....
Bah it seems I missed my opportunity to read the contents of the group. Ah well. >:super_mario_128I missed it too.....but if BR tries to engage me in a discussion I have something on him now.:lol:
A literary analyst cannot be a valid interpreter if they don't understand the language, culture, syntax etc. You cannot use mere literarly analysis to interprete the Bible (or other works) if you do not understand context and culture. It won't be a valid interpretation.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[A very specific one? No.
Its not an oxymoron. Just as a literary analyst can have a valid interpretation of a poem without being the poet themselves (not an an absolutely fitting analogy but I think it works). One may interpret the Bible purely from a literary analysis' scope. Even if their religious affilliation affects them we dont if that leads them the wrong way or the right way. It is possible that a non Christian can get past some positive prejudices of a Christian and see the text more clearly.
Some people may agree with him because they like him and because they hate the people he debates against. But you cant claim that all do so for that reason.
And yes of course that like or dislike may affect our predisposition, it is not necessarily the decisive factor.
LJS9502_basic
I've seen people make points against him that are skipped over by others because they want to believe him. OT is very much about popularity.
A literary analysis can take all those factors you mention in consideration. In fact literary analysis has to do directly with language, syntax, context and any other linguistic element. As for culture and other extra-linguistic components, a literary analyst can most certainly extend his study by encompassing them as well.Besides those factors are not related to whether or not the interpreter is Christian so I dont know why you bring them up. This doesnt have to do with your criterion of religious status (Christian or not Christian).
Yes, some people may have skipped points against him. That doesnt mean they discarded them just because they like him; perhaps the points were idiotic. And yes perhaps some of those people may indeed have discarded them for that reason. Does that say anything about Gabu being eligible to comment on the Bible or to characterise all of OT? That would be a gross generalisation.
Can...but doesn't mean they do.;)A literary analysis can take all those factors you mention in consideration. In fact literary analysis has to do directly with language, syntax, context and any other linguistic element. As for culture and other extra-linguistic components, a literary analyst can most certainly extend his study by encompassing them as well.
Besides those factors are not related to whether or not the interpreter is Christian so I dont know why you bring them up. This doesnt have to do with your criterion of religious status (Christian or not Christian).
Yes, some people may have skipped points against him. That doesnt mean they discarded them just because they like him; perhaps the points were idiotic. And yes perhaps some of those people may indeed have discarded them for that reason. Does that say anything about Gabu being eligible to comment on the Bible or to characterise all of OT? That would be a gross generalisation.
Teenaged
I'd hardly give weight to points that I felt weren't valid. I was speaking of valid points.
There are a few.If anyone is curious, I managed to find a few more cached pages:
Main Page (also in McJugga's)
Discussions
Links
Post #1 (also in McJugga's)
Post #2
Post #3
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GabuEx
Can...but doesn't mean they do.;)[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
A literary analysis can take all those factors you mention in consideration. In fact literary analysis has to do directly with language, syntax, context and any other linguistic element. As for culture and other extra-linguistic components, a literary analyst can most certainly extend his study by encompassing them as well.
Besides those factors are not related to whether or not the interpreter is Christian so I dont know why you bring them up. This doesnt have to do with your criterion of religious status (Christian or not Christian).
Yes, some people may have skipped points against him. That doesnt mean they discarded them just because they like him; perhaps the points were idiotic. And yes perhaps some of those people may indeed have discarded them for that reason. Does that say anything about Gabu being eligible to comment on the Bible or to characterise all of OT? That would be a gross generalisation.
LJS9502_basic
I'd hardly give weight to points that I felt weren't valid. I was speaking of valid points.
But thats what I said. They can. Therefore the possibility remains.You were speaking of valid points yes but as you also said 'you felt they werent valid'. Thats not much of a refutation or something that places great amounts of doubt on the abilities of the interpreter at hand.
Can...but doesn't mean they do.;)[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
A literary analysis can take all those factors you mention in consideration. In fact literary analysis has to do directly with language, syntax, context and any other linguistic element. As for culture and other extra-linguistic components, a literary analyst can most certainly extend his study by encompassing them as well.
Besides those factors are not related to whether or not the interpreter is Christian so I dont know why you bring them up. This doesnt have to do with your criterion of religious status (Christian or not Christian).
Yes, some people may have skipped points against him. That doesnt mean they discarded them just because they like him; perhaps the points were idiotic. And yes perhaps some of those people may indeed have discarded them for that reason. Does that say anything about Gabu being eligible to comment on the Bible or to characterise all of OT? That would be a gross generalisation.
Teenaged
I'd hardly give weight to points that I felt weren't valid. I was speaking of valid points.
But thats what I said. They can. Therefore the possibility remains.You were speaking of valid points yes but as you also said 'you felt they werent valid'. Thats not much of a refutation or something that places great amounts of doubt on the abilities of the interpreter at hand.
And I never omitted that possibility. I made a list of other things that would be involved in interpreting a literary work. So why argue if you are agreeing with my initial statement?And I never omitted that possibility. I made a list of other things that would be involved in interpreting a literary work. So why argue if you are agreeing with my initial statement?LJS9502_basicUm, you are actually the one that are arguing for something I already supported. I never made a statement that one who is a non Christian and is just a literary analyst will most definitely find the right interpretation. I said that there is a possibility; a point against which you argued.
[...] How can one be non Christian and yet have an interpretation of Scripture that was valid? That is an oxymoron. [...]LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Well, it's got the, uhh... worker. With the wheat. And that farm tool thingy...scorch-62Pick axe, I think. =P Sure, why not?
Chocobo is a communist? Well, it's got the, uhh... worker. With the wheat. And that farm tool thingy...Hm, it would be more probable if he were holding a hammer and a sickle. But perhaps he doesnt want to make it obvious...[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Communism has never been so adorable.
PannicAtack
Well, it's got the, uhh... worker. With the wheat. And that farm tool thingy...Hm, it would be more probable if he were holding a hammer and a sickle. But perhaps he doesnt want to make it obvious... It's like Glenn Beck told me - it's a stealth-commie. An absolutely adorable stealth-commie.[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Chocobo is a communist?
Teenaged
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Hm, it would be more probable if he were holding a hammer and a sickle. But perhaps he doesnt want to make it obvious... It's like Glenn Beck told me - it's a stealth-commie. An absolutely adorable stealth-commie.Hmmmmm, subliminal messages..... I get it.... replace hammer and sickle with different agriculture-related tool.....switch the colours a bit......[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Well, it's got the, uhh... worker. With the wheat. And that farm tool thingy...
PannicAtack
Thats what I call hastily concealed propaganda!
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Communism has never been so adorable.
Chocobo is a communist? Well, it's got the, uhh... worker. With the wheat. And that farm tool thingy... I think its called a Hoe............or hand plough? I one of the 2.How'd this topic turn from a Christian extremist Facebook group into whether or not the tools of a chocobo symbolize communism?TheokhothCasue Gabu has mind control. Gawd man, don't you know anything about Gabu.
I remember someone on the forums calling him that. I think it was BR but I don't exactly rememberMaObama - that's a new one.
entropyecho
OK, I couldn't resist:
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GabuEx
Wow certainly the most entertaining Religion thread I've visited in quite awhile :P. Hail to the Gabu.
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