G-d exists. Evolution exists.
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[QUOTE="Dasc00"]Einstien believed in god? Not the god you would think of. He was talking about the universe being god, everything is god. You also forgot to mention that most of the universe is hostile. Plus, the whole intelligent design thing is ridiculous. Thanks-Incorrect. Towards the end of Einstein's life, he realized that the more he peered into the deep corners of the universe, the more he realized that G-d is the only logical answer. Certainly far more logical than the atheistic, 'life is a coincidence' argument.Link?
Its even stated in Quran that Earth is egg-shaped and that it rotates around its axle.
Not to convince anyone of anything, but just food for thought to those who do not believe in Christanity just because the bible was altered by man. If it was preserved like the Quran, we would have seen a different version of some truth in it.
That is not how it works. You are accusing me of copying and pasting. I am not accusing you of anything other than not supplying a source, which is evident by simply looking at your original post.Thanks-My source is my and my point is my own, god exists inside all of us, sadly some people never realise this and go around having pointless arguements, cutting and pasting and trying to make themselves feel better about all th time they waste on gamespot(of course this is ONLY my opinion!)
It is said that the most accurate book of God that still preserved to this date is Quran.They are both simplified volumes that are written for the average man.
Its even stated in Quran that Earth is egg-shaped and that it rotates around its axle.
Not to convince anyone of anything, but just food for thought to those who do not believe in Christanity just because the bible was altered by man. If it was preserved like the Quran, we would have seen a different version of some truth in it.Mystery_Writer
Q: how did he create all of this?HewkiiG-d is the only being that is able to bend the laws of science and create matter where there was once none. He created energy where there was once none. He created physical space where there was once none. Does this answer your question?
I did not see one single shread of evidence in that post (admittedly I wasn't reading thoroughly), all I saw was your beliefs and opinions. Now I really don't care if you believe in God, that's your right to a belief and it doesn't bother me. But here you are saying that your beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong. There is no completely solid evidence proving nor denying God; evolution CAN be proved, but it can still co-exist with God. Atheists might not be right but the same applies to Catholics, Christians, and every single faith in the world. Your post just claimed that God was real and everyone else was wrong. Yet we live in a day and age where there are many different beliefs and opinions, and the only way to get along with eachother is to respect other people's rights to a belief and not tell them they're wrongEJ902Contradiction: You didn't see a single thread of evidence, but you didn't read the post. How is that possible?
And by the way, all opinions are not equal. There is a right, and there is a wrong.
[QUOTE="EJ902"]I did not see one single shread of evidence in that post (admittedly I wasn't reading thoroughly), all I saw was your beliefs and opinions. Now I really don't care if you believe in God, that's your right to a belief and it doesn't bother me. But here you are saying that your beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong. There is no completely solid evidence proving nor denying God; evolution CAN be proved, but it can still co-exist with God. Atheists might not be right but the same applies to Catholics, Christians, and every single faith in the world. Your post just claimed that God was real and everyone else was wrong. Yet we live in a day and age where there are many different beliefs and opinions, and the only way to get along with eachother is to respect other people's rights to a belief and not tell them they're wrongThanks-Contradiction: You didn't see a single thread of evidence, but you didn't read the post. How is that possible? I didn't read it thoroughly, meaning I scanned it. I didn't read through every line taking in every single word, I looked briefly at each line trying to find some solid proof backing your claims up. I'm not saying you're wrong, there is no proof for that either.
[QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="EJ902"]I did not see one single shread of evidence in that post (admittedly I wasn't reading thoroughly), all I saw was your beliefs and opinions. Now I really don't care if you believe in God, that's your right to a belief and it doesn't bother me. But here you are saying that your beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong. There is no completely solid evidence proving nor denying God; evolution CAN be proved, but it can still co-exist with God. Atheists might not be right but the same applies to Catholics, Christians, and every single faith in the world. Your post just claimed that God was real and everyone else was wrong. Yet we live in a day and age where there are many different beliefs and opinions, and the only way to get along with eachother is to respect other people's rights to a belief and not tell them they're wrongEJ902Contradiction: You didn't see a single thread of evidence, but you didn't read the post. How is that possible? I didn't read it thoroughly, meaning I scanned it. I didn't read through every line taking in every single word, I looked briefly at each line trying to find some solid proof backing your claims up. I'm not saying you're wrong, there is no proof for that either. So in essence, you're saying nothing. You're saying that I'm not wrong and I'm not right, and you think there is no factual evidence, but you didn't take the time to look for it yourself. What is it that you are saying then?
Lol the fact that people think god exists still is us going back in time...TallicaFan2005No. People believing in nothing is bringing us back in time to an age where humans understood nothing. Matter and energy are proof that G-d exists.
In essence, I am saying that those who believe in nothing understand nothing. Those who believe in something may be right or wrong, but atleast they have some understanding.
[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Lol the fact that people think god exists still is us going back in time...Thanks-No. People believing in nothing is bringing us back in time to an age where humans understood nothing. Matter and energy are proof that G-d exists. No people who believe in god are dumber than rats. Since you believe in god your words have no meaning... Think about this, if heaven is sooo much better than Earth, why not join the army, die and go to heaven quicker? Religion is pwned. Stop speaking because you are meaningless until you see the truth.
So in essence, you're saying nothing. You're saying that I'm not wrong and I'm not right, and you think there is no factual evidence, but you didn't take the time to look for it yourself. What is it that you are saying then?Thanks-Right, let me re-iterate:
- I didn't read it THOROUGHLY, but I DID look through it for evidence and sources for your claims. I didn't take every word in, but I read enough to determine whether or not there's any solid evidence.
- I should have worded my last post better. What I meant was that you're saying God DOES exist without a doubt, and I was saying you provided no proof for it. What I meant in my last post was "I'm not saying you're wrong in believing God exists, because we don't know for certain, but at the minute you're not factually right since you didn't give evidence".
- The overall point I'm making is you can't say other people's beliefs are wrong in our society now, I'm aware of free speech but others also have that right. By saying "God exists, your deity does not", you're pretty much denying them their right to free speech. A summary of this is what JumpingMirrior said:
IT doesn't matter how much you believe in your religion, you, and alot pf people, just have to face the face that peopel will have different beliefs.JumpingMirrior
[QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Lol the fact that people think god exists still is us going back in time...TallicaFan2005No. People believing in nothing is bringing us back in time to an age where humans understood nothing. Matter and energy are proof that G-d exists. No people who believe in god are dumber than rats. Since you believe in god your words have no meaning... Think about this, if heaven is sooo much better than Earth, why not join the army, die and go to heaven quicker? Religion is pwned. Stop speaking because you are meaningless until you see the truth.I would debate you, but in all honesty I feel sorry for you. I am sorry that you lack the intelligence and understanding to have a coherent discussion without all the name-calling. I am a scientist, and in many ways, scientists are the closest people to G-d. G-d may sound rediculous or unreal to some, but what is more rediculous or unreal is the atheistic belief that life is mere coincidence.
[QUOTE="Thanks-"]So in essence, you're saying nothing. You're saying that I'm not wrong and I'm not right, and you think there is no factual evidence, but you didn't take the time to look for it yourself. What is it that you are saying then?EJ902Right, let me re-iterate:
- I didn't read it THOROUGHLY, but I DID look through it for evidence and sources for your claims. I didn't take every word in, but I read enough to determine whether or not there's any solid evidence.
- I should have worded my last post better. What I meant was that you're saying God DOES exist without a doubt, and I was saying you provided no proof for it. What I meant in my last post was "I'm not saying you're wrong in believing God exists, because we don't know for certain, but at the minute you're not factually right since you didn't give evidence".
- The overall point I'm making is you can't say other people's beliefs are wrong in our society now, I'm aware of free speech but others also have that right. By saying "God exists, your deity does not", you're pretty much denying them their right to free speech. A summary of this is what JumpingMirrior said:
IT doesn't matter how much you believe in your religion, you, and alot pf people, just have to face the face that peopel will have different beliefs.JumpingMirrior
People may have different beliefs, but someone is right and someone is wrong. Therefore, not all beliefs are equal.
No. People believing in nothing is bringing us back in time to an age where humans understood nothing. Matter and energy are proof that G-d exists.[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Lol the fact that people think god exists still is us going back in time...Thanks-
In essence, I am saying that those who believe in nothing understand nothing. Those who believe in something may be right or wrong, but atleast they have some understanding.
Frederick Nietzsche would disagree with you. And Matter and Energy are not proof of anything.[QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Lol the fact that people think god exists still is us going back in time...TallicaFan2005No. People believing in nothing is bringing us back in time to an age where humans understood nothing. Matter and energy are proof that G-d exists. No people who believe in god are dumber than rats. Since you believe in god your words have no meaning... Think about this, if heaven is sooo much better than Earth, why not join the army, die and go to heaven quicker? Religion is pwned. Stop speaking because you are meaningless until you see the truth.I would debate you, but in all honesty I feel sorry for you. I am sorry that you lack the intelligence and understanding to have a coherent discussion without all the name-calling. I am a scientist, and in many ways, scientists are the closest people to G-d. G-d may sound rediculous or unreal to some, but what is more rediculous or unreal is the atheistic belief that life is mere coincidence. Intelligence and believing in god contradict. Your saying "I'm too stupid to realize what life is about so I believe in the toothfairy..YAY"Why do you get to decide who is intelligent and who is not? I will refer back to something I said in my original post.
By denying G-d, you are only denying your own existence. If one’s intelligence is correspondent with one’s intellectual acumens (insight) and education then such a statement is a function of ordinary thinking, isn’t it?
Case closed.
[QUOTE="Thanks-"]No. People believing in nothing is bringing us back in time to an age where humans understood nothing. Matter and energy are proof that G-d exists.[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Lol the fact that people think god exists still is us going back in time...Nisstyre_56
In essence, I am saying that those who believe in nothing understand nothing. Those who believe in something may be right or wrong, but atleast they have some understanding.
Frederick Nietzsche would disagree with you. And Matter and Energy are not proof of anything. Frederick Neitzsche cannot disagree with anyone in this world, because he is dead.[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Lol the fact that people think god exists still is us going back in time...Thanks-No. People believing in nothing is bringing us back in time to an age where humans understood nothing. Matter and energy are proof that G-d exists. No people who believe in god are dumber than rats. Since you believe in god your words have no meaning... Think about this, if heaven is sooo much better than Earth, why not join the army, die and go to heaven quicker? Religion is pwned. Stop speaking because you are meaningless until you see the truth.I would debate you, but in all honesty I feel sorry for you. I am sorry that you lack the intelligence and understanding to have a coherent discussion without all the name-calling. I am a scientist, and in many ways, scientists are the closest people to G-d. G-d may sound rediculous or unreal to some, but what is more rediculous or unreal is the atheistic belief that life is mere coincidence. Intelligence and believing in god contradict. Your saying "I'm too stupid to realize what life is about so I believe in the toothfairy..YAY"Why does a hack like you get to decide who is intelligent and who is not? I will refer back to something I said in my original post. By denying G-d, you are only denying your own existence. If one’s intelligence is correspondent with one’s intellectual acumens (insight) and education then such a statement is a function of ordinary thinking, isn’t it? Case closed. NO, by ASKING FOR PROOF, you are furthering your own intellectuality Let me quote the great Gautama Buddha If I may "Believe nothing, O monks, merely because you have been told it . . . or because it is traditional, or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings--that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide."
[QUOTE="Thanks-"]The problem is which "proof" are you asking for? How do you identify what one must question? Coincidences are most questionable, and the atheistic argument that life is mere coincidence is what I am currently questioning.Nisstyre_56Did you read my quote? "after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings" God is not beneficial, nor is the idea of God. Religion is one of the causes of all the problems in the world, and "God" doesn't do anythingThat is a myth. Atheism has killed far more people in the last century than religion, but that is neither here nor there. G-d exists, and therefore religion exists. Whether or not it is beneficial to the world is not the point.
[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="Thanks-"]The problem is which "proof" are you asking for? How do you identify what one must question? Coincidences are most questionable, and the atheistic argument that life is mere coincidence is what I am currently questioning.Thanks-Did you read my quote? "after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings" God is not beneficial, nor is the idea of God. Religion is one of the causes of all the problems in the world, and "God" doesn't do anythingThat is a myth. Atheism has killed far more people in the last century than religion. Prove it
[QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="Thanks-"]The problem is which "proof" are you asking for? How do you identify what one must question? Coincidences are most questionable, and the atheistic argument that life is mere coincidence is what I am currently questioning.Nisstyre_56Did you read my quote? "after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings" God is not beneficial, nor is the idea of God. Religion is one of the causes of all the problems in the world, and "God" doesn't do anythingThat is a myth. Atheism has killed far more people in the last century than religion. Prove it Didn't you read the orignal post? I will simply copy and paste a section from the original post.
Man’s Inhumanity to Man
The core principle of Judeo-Christian teachings is the sacredness of human life. He who saves a single life, it is as though he has saved the entire world. This teaching is unfortunately being lost by all the hate being slung as rhetoric coming out against Christians and Jews today. These beautiful transcendental humanistic teachings are essential to our survival of human beings.
This current theme of man’s inhumanity to man is what’s playing out on television, on the internet, in the games, and in the movies day and night. This social barbarism is descending mankind into madness allover again. What we thought we left behind in the last millennium is coming back to haunt us, perhaps even worse than the last century.
In the last century, over 100,000,000 people were slaughtered by atheists, pagans, and Marxists such as Hitler (Pagan), Stalin (Marxist, Atheist), Pol Pot (Marxist, Atheist), and Mao Zedong (Marxist, Atheist). Over 100 million killed because of the false prophets of communism and paganism, and I am afraid that we are going backwards towards these teachings.
One has to be optimistic to survive-- optimism tempered with the realism of our very uncivilized civilization. We have lost our sense of stability, but we have not yet fallen into the abyss of which I spoke. However, we are losing ground very quickly.
It is a ‘shout-out,’ to use the vernacular of the day, and as course and abrupt reminder that we have got to reassess and revaluate our moral compass and get back online here. We’ve got to learn that our future as a human race, our future as a civilization is very much a function of our ability to reintegrate a sense of decency, kindness and culture that is rooted in understanding the divinity that is manifested in every human being.
So the question becomes, how does a soul believe in it's creator? I believe there are two ways people come to believe. The first way is through education. As a person educates themselves they eventually get to a point where they say, all of this must be a creation, and its creator is God. Some people never get to that point, because even as they continously uncover the next sheet of wrapping paper, there will always be another piece packed underneath it.
The second way people usually come to believe in God is coming to the conclusion that the revalation of a particular religion, must be the word of God. Whether it is the Torah, the Bible, or the Qur'an there are many out there who claim that it is the word of God.
Some people like myself have more or less been convinced by both methods Through my studies of the complexities of this world, i felt that there had to be a creator. At the same time, through my studies of the Qur'an, I came to the conclusion that none other then God could have written the words found in them.
[QUOTE="Hewkii"]Q: how did he create all of this?Thanks-G-d is the only being that is able to bend the laws of science and create matter where there was once none. He created energy where there was once none. He created physical space where there was once none. Does this answer your question? but how did he do it?
[QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]Q: how did he create all of this?HewkiiG-d is the only being that is able to bend the laws of science and create matter where there was once none. He created energy where there was once none. He created physical space where there was once none. Does this answer your question? but how did he do it?Well, possibly by infusing his own energy into the creation of the universe and life. That's all I currently understand, so why don't you ask G-d if you have any other questions.
Did you read my quote? "after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings" God is not beneficial, nor is the idea of God. Religion is one of the causes of all the problems in the world, and "God" doesn't do anythingThat is a myth. Atheism has killed far more people in the last century than religion. Prove it Didn't you read the orignal post? I will simply copy and paste a section from the original post.[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="Thanks-"]The problem is which "proof" are you asking for? How do you identify what one must question? Coincidences are most questionable, and the atheistic argument that life is mere coincidence is what I am currently questioning.Thanks-
Man’s Inhumanity to Man
The core principle of Judeo-Christian teachings is the sacredness of human life. He who saves a single life, it is as though he has saved the entire world. This teaching is unfortunately being lost by all the hate being slung as rhetoric coming out against Christians and Jews today. These beautiful transcendental humanistic teachings are essential to our survival of human beings.
This current theme of man’s inhumanity to man is what’s playing out on television, on the internet, in the games, and in the movies day and night. This social barbarism is descending mankind into madness allover again. What we thought we left behind in the last millennium is coming back to haunt us, perhaps even worse than the last century.
In the last century, over 100,000,000 people were slaughtered by atheists, pagans, and Marxists such as Hitler (Pagan), Stalin (Marxist, Atheist), Pol Pot (Marxist, Atheist), and Mao Zedong (Marxist, Atheist). Over 100 million killed because of the false prophets of communism and paganism, and I am afraid that we are going backwards towards these teachings.
One has to be optimistic to survive-- optimism tempered with the realism of our very uncivilized civilization. We have lost our sense of stability, but we have not yet fallen into the abyss of which I spoke. However, we are losing ground very quickly.
It is a ‘shout-out,’ to use the vernacular of the day, and as course and abrupt reminder that we have got to reassess and revaluate our moral compass and get back online here. We’ve got to learn that our future as a human race, our future as a civilization is very much a function of our ability to reintegrate a sense of decency, kindness and culture that is rooted in understanding the divinity that is manifested in every human being.
[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]It is said that the most accurate book of God that still preserved to this date is Quran.They are both simplified volumes that are written for the average man. they are actually written for both the sophisticated and the average man. Some arabs might got confused at the time when they first read in Quran that Earth is not flat, and they might made excuses as to what god meant about describing Earth as big egg-shaped back then.
Its even stated in Quran that Earth is egg-shaped and that it rotates around its axle.
Not to convince anyone of anything, but just food for thought to those who do not believe in Christanity just because the bible was altered by man. If it was preserved like the Quran, we would have seen a different version of some truth in it.Thanks-
Also I'm sure people at the time couldn't wrap their head around the Quran's description of the orbit nature of the Sun and the Moon.
Nor they were able to understand why the Sun was described in Quran as a light source whereas the Moon was described as a reflector of light.
Thanks-, great read and personally I agree with you on many of your points. However, I have a slightly different view point. I don't believe God can be proven or disproven and instead is a descision the soul makes in its own heart. I have yet to see anyone use the logic or a scientific process to create a well defined argument to prove or disprove the existance of God. Clearly, this will make sense to any follower of the Abrahamic faith, who believes in this life being a test. If the existance or non-existance of God could be proven or disprove so easily, then having this life as a test wouldn't make any sense -- it would be too easy. Everyone would believe or disbelieve because the answer would be so simple.I must admit that I have not read the Qur'an, but I agree with most of your statement and am glad to see that we can find common ground. I am assuming you are a Muslim, I would also like to note that I am not Ashkenazi Jewish. I am Sephardic, and many of my people have been living amongst the Muslims for generations without problems.
So the question becomes, how does a soul believe in it's creator? I believe there are two ways people come to believe. The first way is through education. As a person educates themselves they eventually get to a point where they say, all of this must be a creation, and its creator is God. Some people never get to that point, because even as they continously uncover the next sheet of wrapping paper, there will always be another piece packed underneath it.
The second way people usually come to believe in God is coming to the conclusion that the revalation of a particular religion, must be the word of God. Whether it is the Torah, the Bible, or the Qur'an there are many out there who claim that it is the word of God.
Some people like myself have more or less been convinced by both methods Through my studies of the complexities of this world, i felt that there had to be a creator. At the same time, through my studies of the Qur'an, I came to the conclusion that none other then God could have written the words found in them.
rimnet00
[QUOTE="Thanks-"]Didn't you read the orignal post? I will simply copy and paste a section from the original post.I do believe those people you mentioned, Stalin, Hitler etc... were psychos. You see, someone's beliefs or non-beliefs are no judge of their morals. Take, for instance, the war that has been raging in the middle east for over 50 years. This was caused because the fanatical Muslims (religion) thought the Jews (religion) should be wiped off the face of the earth. The same thing goes with Nationalism. As John Lennon would have said it, religion, nationalism, materialism, and greed are the causes of all the problems in the world. Now just because the last few dictators "happened" to be atheists does not mean religious dictators aren't as bad. They just happened to be motivated by their lust for power and the chemical inbalances in their brains and not religion. But Hitler didn't run the concentration camps, and Stalin didn't run the Gulags. Don't you understand that Hitler and Stalin were merely the top of a huge chain of command, and that it was the people towards the bottom of the chain that actally did all the murdering. Were they all psychos, or were they atheists/pagans that were so influenced by their beliefs that they were willing to kill millions to reach their objectives?Man’s Inhumanity to Man
The core principle of Judeo-Christian teachings is the sacredness of human life. He who saves a single life, it is as though he has saved the entire world. This teaching is unfortunately being lost by all the hate being slung as rhetoric coming out against Christians and Jews today. These beautiful transcendental humanistic teachings are essential to our survival of human beings.
This current theme of man’s inhumanity to man is what’s playing out on television, on the internet, in the games, and in the movies day and night. This social barbarism is descending mankind into madness allover again. What we thought we left behind in the last millennium is coming back to haunt us, perhaps even worse than the last century.
In the last century, over 100,000,000 people were slaughtered by atheists, pagans, and Marxists such as Hitler (Pagan), Stalin (Marxist, Atheist), Pol Pot (Marxist, Atheist), and Mao Zedong (Marxist, Atheist). Over 100 million killed because of the false prophets of communism and paganism, and I am afraid that we are going backwards towards these teachings.
One has to be optimistic to survive-- optimism tempered with the realism of our very uncivilized civilization. We have lost our sense of stability, but we have not yet fallen into the abyss of which I spoke. However, we are losing ground very quickly.
It is a ‘shout-out,’ to use the vernacular of the day, and as course and abrupt reminder that we have got to reassess and revaluate our moral compass and get back online here. We’ve got to learn that our future as a human race, our future as a civilization is very much a function of our ability to reintegrate a sense of decency, kindness and culture that is rooted in understanding the divinity that is manifested in every human being.
Nisstyre_56
I do believe those people you mentioned, Stalin, Hitler etc... were psychos. You see, someone's beliefs or non-beliefs are no judge of their morals. Take, for instance, the war that has been raging in the middle east for over 50 years. This was caused because the fanatical Muslims (religion) thought the Jews (religion) should be wiped off the face of the earth. The same thing goes with Nationalism. As John Lennon would have said it, religion, nationalism, materialism, and greed are the causes of all the problems in the world. Now just because the last few dictators "happened" to be atheists does not mean religious dictators aren't as bad. They just happened to be motivated by their lust for power and the chemical inbalances in their brains and not religion. But Hitler didn't run the concentration camps, and Stalin didn't run the Gulags. Don't you understand that Hitler and Stalin were merely the top of a huge chain of command, and that it was the people towards the bottom of the chain that actally did all the murdering. Were they all psychos, or were they atheists/pagans that were so influenced by their beliefs that they were willing to kill millions to reach their objectives? In the case of Hitler it was Christians, so don't try to pin this on a group.[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="Thanks-"]Didn't you read the orignal post? I will simply copy and paste a section from the original post.
Man’s Inhumanity to Man
The core principle of Judeo-Christian teachings is the sacredness of human life. He who saves a single life, it is as though he has saved the entire world. This teaching is unfortunately being lost by all the hate being slung as rhetoric coming out against Christians and Jews today. These beautiful transcendental humanistic teachings are essential to our survival of human beings.
This current theme of man’s inhumanity to man is what’s playing out on television, on the internet, in the games, and in the movies day and night. This social barbarism is descending mankind into madness allover again. What we thought we left behind in the last millennium is coming back to haunt us, perhaps even worse than the last century.
In the last century, over 100,000,000 people were slaughtered by atheists, pagans, and Marxists such as Hitler (Pagan), Stalin (Marxist, Atheist), Pol Pot (Marxist, Atheist), and Mao Zedong (Marxist, Atheist). Over 100 million killed because of the false prophets of communism and paganism, and I am afraid that we are going backwards towards these teachings.
One has to be optimistic to survive-- optimism tempered with the realism of our very uncivilized civilization. We have lost our sense of stability, but we have not yet fallen into the abyss of which I spoke. However, we are losing ground very quickly.
It is a ‘shout-out,’ to use the vernacular of the day, and as course and abrupt reminder that we have got to reassess and revaluate our moral compass and get back online here. We’ve got to learn that our future as a human race, our future as a civilization is very much a function of our ability to reintegrate a sense of decency, kindness and culture that is rooted in understanding the divinity that is manifested in every human being.
Thanks-
[QUOTE="rimnet00"]Thanks-, great read and personally I agree with you on many of your points. However, I have a slightly different view point. I don't believe God can be proven or disproven and instead is a descision the soul makes in its own heart. I have yet to see anyone use the logic or a scientific process to create a well defined argument to prove or disprove the existance of God. Clearly, this will make sense to any follower of the Abrahamic faith, who believes in this life being a test. If the existance or non-existance of God could be proven or disprove so easily, then having this life as a test wouldn't make any sense -- it would be too easy. Everyone would believe or disbelieve because the answer would be so simple.I must admit that I have not read the Qur'an, but I agree with most of your statement and am glad to see that we can find common ground. I am assuming you are a Muslim, I would also like to note that I am not Ashkenazi Jewish. I am Sephardic, and many of my people have been living amongst the Muslims for generations without problems. Its nice to meet you brother. I do have a question for you though. Where did you get the quote: "He who saves a single life, it is as though he has saved the entire world". This is very similiar, if not the same as a line from Surah 5.32 from the Qur'an. However, since it is in reference to the 'Children of Israel' I am assuming it is found in the Old Testament/Torah.
So the question becomes, how does a soul believe in it's creator? I believe there are two ways people come to believe. The first way is through education. As a person educates themselves they eventually get to a point where they say, all of this must be a creation, and its creator is God. Some people never get to that point, because even as they continously uncover the next sheet of wrapping paper, there will always be another piece packed underneath it.
The second way people usually come to believe in God is coming to the conclusion that the revalation of a particular religion, must be the word of God. Whether it is the Torah, the Bible, or the Qur'an there are many out there who claim that it is the word of God.
Some people like myself have more or less been convinced by both methods Through my studies of the complexities of this world, i felt that there had to be a creator. At the same time, through my studies of the Qur'an, I came to the conclusion that none other then God could have written the words found in them.
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[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="Thanks-"]Did you read my quote? "after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings" God is not beneficial, nor is the idea of God. Religion is one of the causes of all the problems in the world, and "God" doesn't do anythingThat is a myth. Atheism has killed far more people in the last century than religion. Prove it Didn't you read the orignal post? I will simply copy and paste a section from the original post.[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="Thanks-"]The problem is which "proof" are you asking for? How do you identify what one must question? Coincidences are most questionable, and the atheistic argument that life is mere coincidence is what I am currently questioning.Thanks-
Man’s Inhumanity to Man
The core principle of Judeo-Christian teachings is the sacredness of human life. He who saves a single life, it is as though he has saved the entire world. This teaching is unfortunately being lost by all the hate being slung as rhetoric coming out against Christians and Jews today. These beautiful transcendental humanistic teachings are essential to our survival of human beings.
This current theme of man’s inhumanity to man is what’s playing out on television, on the internet, in the games, and in the movies day and night. This social barbarism is descending mankind into madness allover again. What we thought we left behind in the last millennium is coming back to haunt us, perhaps even worse than the last century.
In the last century, over 100,000,000 people were slaughtered by atheists, pagans, and Marxists such as Hitler (Pagan), Stalin (Marxist, Atheist), Pol Pot (Marxist, Atheist), and Mao Zedong (Marxist, Atheist). Over 100 million killed because of the false prophets of communism and paganism, and I am afraid that we are going backwards towards these teachings.
One has to be optimistic to survive-- optimism tempered with the realism of our very uncivilized civilization. We have lost our sense of stability, but we have not yet fallen into the abyss of which I spoke. However, we are losing ground very quickly.
It is a ‘shout-out,’ to use the vernacular of the day, and as course and abrupt reminder that we have got to reassess and revaluate our moral compass and get back online here. We’ve got to learn that our future as a human race, our future as a civilization is very much a function of our ability to reintegrate a sense of decency, kindness and culture that is rooted in understanding the divinity that is manifested in every human being.
No. People believing in nothing is bringing us back in time to an age where humans understood nothing. Matter and energy are proof that G-d exists. No people who believe in god are dumber than rats. Since you believe in god your words have no meaning... Think about this, if heaven is sooo much better than Earth, why not join the army, die and go to heaven quicker? Religion is pwned. Stop speaking because you are meaningless until you see the truth.I would debate you, but in all honesty I feel sorry for you. I am sorry that you lack the intelligence and understanding to have a coherent discussion without all the name-calling. I am a scientist, and in many ways, scientists are the closest people to G-d. G-d may sound rediculous or unreal to some, but what is more rediculous or unreal is the atheistic belief that life is mere coincidence. Intelligence and believing in god contradict. Your saying "I'm too stupid to realize what life is about so I believe in the toothfairy..YAY"Why do you get to decide who is intelligent and who is not? I will refer back to something I said in my original post.[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Lol the fact that people think god exists still is us going back in time...Thanks-
By denying G-d, you are only denying your own existence. If one’s intelligence is correspondent with one’s intellectual acumens (insight) and education then such a statement is a function of ordinary thinking, isn’t it?
Case closed.
You are assuming the existance of god now, and you are assuming that a god created us, and isn't denying the hinduism gods also denying your existance then?[QUOTE="Hewkii"]Q: how did he create all of this?Thanks-G-d is the only being that is able to bend the laws of science and create matter where there was once none. He created energy where there was once none. He created physical space where there was once none. Does this answer your question? Why would you believe this though? There isn't any proof.
[QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]Q: how did he create all of this?yoshi-lnexG-d is the only being that is able to bend the laws of science and create matter where there was once none. He created energy where there was once none. He created physical space where there was once none. Does this answer your question? Why would you believe this though? There isn't any proof.
this is probably a good example of people believing something is true for fear of persecution and because "everyone else believes it"
Groupthink
[QUOTE="TheHimura"]You're welcomed.Thanks-I have a feeling my time typing this will have been wasted, but I atleast tried to clarify the stupidity of arguments on Gamespot. I completely agree with you. God and evolution can perfectly coexist; I don't understand how religious people can fail to realise that. It's almost as if they thought that something such as evolution was beyond God's powers...
[QUOTE="Thanks-"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]Q: how did he create all of this?yoshi-lnexG-d is the only being that is able to bend the laws of science and create matter where there was once none. He created energy where there was once none. He created physical space where there was once none. Does this answer your question? Why would you believe this though? There isn't any proof. Proof isn't the point, god damn it. Obviously you can't prove faith. That's why it's called faith. You BELIEVE. If that's not enough for you then fine, don't believe. I really don't see what the problem is here.
People created god. Why? because god was a concept thought up by some person who was in power of a kingdom so he could better control the masses in his kingdom. And now people today just take it way to far.
Now who created people. The universe. Without the universe there would be nothing. Not even the people to create the concept of a one all powerful god.
Here is your answer.Yeah but the point is not whether there is a God or not. The point is that people have something to believe in, something to give them hope - something that could essentially make them better people. And that's what's important. Unfortunately, people have taken things a bit too far (as always).
People created god. Why? because god was a concept thought up by some person who was in power of a kingdom so he could better control the masses in his kingdom. And now people today just take it way to far.
Now who created people. The universe. Without the universe there would be nothing. Not even the people to create the concept of a one all powerful god.
SunofVich
Here is your answer.fact. I agree 100% people 2000 years ago were so dumb its not even funny, and we allow ourselves to think they were right because they said so.
People created god. Why? because god was a concept thought up by some person who was in power of a kingdom so he could better control the masses in his kingdom. And now people today just take it way to far.
Now who created people. The universe. Without the universe there would be nothing. Not even the people to create the concept of a one all powerful god.
SunofVich
Proof isn't the point, god damn it. Obviously you can't prove faith. That's why it's called faith. You BELIEVE. If that's not enough for you then fine, don't believe. I really don't see what the problem is here.nick3333so you're saying god doesn't exist, he's just the carrot to make the donkey do better.
Yes, Einstein did not believe in G-d until his later years. I guess he was finally able to mature.Thanks-
I'd like to point out that this was patently false. Einstein did not believe in any form of a personal God, he did however use the word God as a byword for the Universal totality, not in the belief that there was an actual entity for which could be called God. This is usually referred to as Spinoza's God, a non-existant entity for which the word exists to define the concept of the universal totality.
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