[QUOTE="SamusFreak"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"] He unified the heavily divided Mongol tribes and conquered as far as Kazakhstan with an army dwarfed by every enemy they fought. etc, etcTokugawa77
Vast armies of rabble are easy to manipulate and conquer, many far more honorable men did the same. Many did so far more outnumbered, Khan was outnumbered, but not dwarfed. He faced enemies that were disorganized/poorly organized, that made many mistakes and poor judgement calls. far more often, he used cruel and brutal tactics against their peoples to beat them into submission, than actually besting them in bouts on the battlefield. He got far in his time, but what I said was true, the greatest extensions into Asia, Europe, and the Middle East were achieved long after his death, the Empire saw it's greatest expansion near the end of the 13th Century, he about a half century before it.
Half of the empire was created by Genghis, and he laid teh basis for future conquests. Do you really think his successors were any less brutal? If anything, many were much less successful, launching ill-fated invasions of Japan, Vietnam, Jakarta, and the Holy Land. Genghis Khan faced actual empires- you are forgetting that at the time, the mongols were just nomadic tribes, no one could have forseen their swift rise. It was Genghis who organized them into a fearsome fighting unit, and cemented them as a nation for the first time in their history. We were talking about Ghenghis specifically, I did not say they were better men, did better, or were better. Simply that he died far before the empire saw it's greatest expanse. I have not disputed anything that he did, simply looked down upon the methods, and stated the truth, they are nothing special, nothing unique, and when it comes to battle, others have done the same with greater odds. Ghenghis did go against empires, such as the Jin Dynasty, they outnumbered him, but unless you would be mistaken to call them competent, intelligent, and organized, then it's not hard to see how he defeated them. The actions of the Jin Dynasty afterwards is facepalm worthy, and shows how stuipd they were.
He fought Empires yes,but most were complete jokes.
To that you probably think " well, he still beat them" And, that is the basis for this topic. I, and the other gentlemen, simply have stated what I have said above. If the kill count he achieved is all we are looking at and admiring then by all means, he by a very wide margin, is the cruelest and most sadistic bastard of a conquer in the history of the world. to my knowledge at least.
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