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idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

pie-junior

You can't stand on both your Syrian and Iraqi identities. We can't have you outvictim the jewish members of this board

Im an arab salad. I got some Saudi Arabian and Palestinian in me too. I enjoy the right to hate.... a lot of people

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Today is the opening day for the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum in Dallas, Texas (I believe it is located on the campus of Southern Methodist University, which is where Bush's wife Laura went to college).

staffers at the Clinton presidential library expect that Bill Clinton will visit the Bush library and will want some renovations to be done to the Clinton library.

One of the more interesting features of the Bush library is an interactive feature where users get to step into Bush's shoes and get to make important decisions that Bush made. The visitor will hear information that Bush's aides and advisors gave him before making various decisions, and then the user will be asked to make a decision. After the visitor decides, Bush's image appears on screen and explains what decision he made and why. To me that feature sounds kind of cool, it's like your being president for a little bit and making a decision at a historical "decision point".

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#3 BossPerson
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oh god how i hate Bush apologism
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#4 mrbojangles25
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*sigh*

can't we wait til theyre dead to honor them?

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#5 JML897
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*sigh*

can't we wait til theyre dead to honor them?

mrbojangles25
All Presidents since Coolidge have gotten their own library, no big deal
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#6 BossPerson
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idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

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#7 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

*sigh*

can't we wait til theyre dead to honor them?

JML897
All Presidents since Coolidge have gotten their own library, no big deal

this.
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Making a top-notch library doesn't change Bush's legacy in the short term. 

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#9 pie-junior
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idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

BossPerson
You can't stand on both your Syrian and Iraqi identities. We can't have you outvictim the jewish members of this board
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#10 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

*sigh*

can't we wait til theyre dead to honor them?

JML897
All Presidents since Coolidge have gotten their own library, no big deal

yup yup
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#11 Serraph105
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idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

BossPerson
It was our country that gave you the freedom to ride the Bush hate train. :P
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#13 wis3boi
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lol bush

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#14 whipassmt
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idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

BossPerson

Hey at least Bush got rid of the sanctions on Iraq.

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#15 BossPerson
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

whipassmt

Hey at least Bush got rid of the sanctions on Iraq.

lol thanks
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#16 pie-junior
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I got some Saudi Arabian and Palestinian in me too. I enjoy the right to hate.... a lot of people

BossPerson

With that makeup the most likely target would be women 

 

sorry. I couldn't help myself

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

I got some Saudi Arabian and Palestinian in me too. I enjoy the right to hate.... a lot of people

pie-junior

With that makeup the most likely target would be women 

 

sorry. I couldn't help myself

not bad
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idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

BossPerson
Not trying to be a smartass. But I need to ask: Would you prefer to have lived or have had your family continue to live under Sadaam Hussein? I understand that the country was left in a terrible state, both politically and physically. But were Iraqis better off having Hussein left in power? This is an honest question, I am not trying to infer anything. I didn't live there. I only had the media and my own personal knowledge of Iraq to form judgment.
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#19 whipassmt
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Making a top-notch library doesn't change Bush's legacy in the short term.

jimkabrhel

I don't think the more ardent Bush-"haters" will change their mind much. I think the decision feature mightl lead its participants to respect Bush more, and realize the decisions he had to make were not easy ones, even if they still disagree with those decisions.

I think in the long-term though, Bush's legacy will improve, especially as people are able to look at some of Bush's other accomplishments (BAIPA, PEPFAR, shutting down the AQ Khan network) that seem to be neglected today, due mostly to focus on the War on Terror.

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#20 BossPerson
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put some jewish in me and id have the right to glass half of europe 

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put some jewish in me and id have the right to glass half of europe 

BossPerson

:lol:

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#22 BossPerson
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

danjammer69
Not trying to be a smartass. But I need to ask: Would you prefer to have lived or have had your family continue to live under Sadaam Hussein? I understand that the country was left in a terrible state, both politically and physically. But were Iraqis better off having Hussein left in power? This is an honest question, I am not trying to infer anything. I didn't live there. I only had the media and my own personal knowledge of Iraq to form judgment.

id rather saddam be toppled by his own people instead of a US invasion, even a Syrian scenario (which an arab spring style uprising would have most likely turned into) would be preferable to the mess that is the Iraq War As for the question, I would have preferred the US not invade and leave Saddam in power (hoping he would be deposed by his own people).
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#23 dave123321
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Wish I had a library in my honor
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it's supposed to have the largest collection of coloring books and books with pictures
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#25 JML897
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it's supposed to have the largest collection of coloring books and books with pictureslamprey263
:lol:
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#26 Mink
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Do we get coloring books?
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Hope people don't do anything disrespectful there
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#28 Mink
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]it's supposed to have the largest collection of coloring books and books with picturesJML897
:lol:

Lol didnt even see this until just now.
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[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]

idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

BossPerson

You can't stand on both your Syrian and Iraqi identities. We can't have you outvictim the jewish members of this board

Im an arab salad. I got some Saudi Arabian and Palestinian in me too. I enjoy the right to hate.... a lot of people

As long as you can express that hate without flying planes into buildings or bombing marathons, then have a blast.... :P

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

danjammer69
Not trying to be a smartass. But I need to ask: Would you prefer to have lived or have had your family continue to live under Sadaam Hussein? I understand that the country was left in a terrible state, both politically and physically. But were Iraqis better off having Hussein left in power? This is an honest question, I am not trying to infer anything. I didn't live there. I only had the media and my own personal knowledge of Iraq to form judgment.

In all Honesty Husseins Iraq was one of the few secular run Arab states. And compared to their other neighboring countries the enjoyed more freedoms that most of the Religious run states in the Middle East. Of Course there was always the threat of the Government killing 100,000 citizens to test it's chemical weapons, and if you weren't the right kind of muslim you were discriminated, but hey, they have OIL!!!!
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[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]

idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

BossPerson

You can't stand on both your Syrian and Iraqi identities. We can't have you outvictim the jewish members of this board

Im an arab salad. I got some Saudi Arabian and Palestinian in me too. I enjoy the right to hate.... a lot of people

mmm, tasty.  A little bitter, though.

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#32 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="danjammer69"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]

idk, as an Iraqi, I feel like I have the right to ride the Bush hate train until Im dead

BossPerson

Not trying to be a smartass. But I need to ask: Would you prefer to have lived or have had your family continue to live under Sadaam Hussein? I understand that the country was left in a terrible state, both politically and physically. But were Iraqis better off having Hussein left in power? This is an honest question, I am not trying to infer anything. I didn't live there. I only had the media and my own personal knowledge of Iraq to form judgment.

id rather saddam be toppled by his own people instead of a US invasion, even a Syrian scenario (which an arab spring style uprising would have most likely turned into) would be preferable to the mess that is the Iraq War As for the question, I would have preferred the US not invade and leave Saddam in power (hoping he would be deposed by his own people).

I don't think the Iraqi people would've been able to topple Saddam. There were Shia uprisings in the South but they were unsuccessful, the Kurds were able to secure some autonomy, mostly because a U.S. no-fly-zone kept Saddam's forces out of that area, and because Saddam didn't really seem to prioritize that area I if understand things correctly.

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="danjammer69"] Not trying to be a smartass. But I need to ask: Would you prefer to have lived or have had your family continue to live under Sadaam Hussein? I understand that the country was left in a terrible state, both politically and physically. But were Iraqis better off having Hussein left in power? This is an honest question, I am not trying to infer anything. I didn't live there. I only had the media and my own personal knowledge of Iraq to form judgment.whipassmt

id rather saddam be toppled by his own people instead of a US invasion, even a Syrian scenario (which an arab spring style uprising would have most likely turned into) would be preferable to the mess that is the Iraq War As for the question, I would have preferred the US not invade and leave Saddam in power (hoping he would be deposed by his own people).

I don't think the Iraqi people would've been able to topple Saddam. There were Shia uprisings in the South but they were unsuccessful, the Kurds were able to secure some autonomy, mostly because a U.S. no-fly-zone kept Saddam's forces out of that area, and because Saddam didn't really seem to prioritize that area I if understand things correctly.

Well like I said, it would have went into a Syrian situation (which by all accounts looks like it will be won by the rebels, although itll probably be a messy victory). But the US set of a civil war anyways, so.....
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]it's supposed to have the largest collection of coloring books and books with picturesJML897
:lol:

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god, If at the end of this people start romanticizing the Baath party portion of the 20th century, i'm going to be very upset.
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Interactive legacy damage control technology. THE FUTURE IS HERE.
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Despite being a war criminal and bringing about the biggest recession in a century he did a lot of good in Africa WRT HIV. Pretty bad President overall, though.

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I assume it will have that famous copy of "The Pet Goat" in a special case due to its historical significance?
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I assume it will have that famous copy of "The Pet Goat" in a special case due to its historical significance?nocoolnamejim
I don't know. I guess it depends on whose property that book was. If Bush or the federal government owned the book, than it might be in the library. If the school or the teacher owned it, which I think is more likely, than it would be at that school or with the teacher unless the owner decided to donate the book.

If your ever in Texas, Jim, than you can visit the library/museum and see if the book is there.

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I assume it will have that famous copy of "The Pet Goat" in a special case due to its historical significance?nocoolnamejim
Ultra is now interested
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Despite being a war criminal and bringing about the biggest recession in a century he did a lot of good in Africa WRT HIV. Pretty bad President overall, though.

Aljosa23

He's not a war criminal. And he didn't cause the recession, it happened due to factors outside of his control.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Despite being a war criminal and bringing about the biggest recession in a century he did a lot of good in Africa WRT HIV. Pretty bad President overall, though.

whipassmt

He's not a war criminal. And he didn't cause the recession, it happened due to factors outside of his control.

Funny how that logic doesn't apply to Obama, who everyone blames.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Despite being a war criminal and bringing about the biggest recession in a century he did a lot of good in Africa WRT HIV. Pretty bad President overall, though.

jimkabrhel

He's not a war criminal. And he didn't cause the recession, it happened due to factors outside of his control.

Funny how that logic doesn't apply to Obama, who everyone blames.

Obama isn't a war criminal, and he didn't cause the recession either.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Despite being a war criminal and bringing about the biggest recession in a century he did a lot of good in Africa WRT HIV. Pretty bad President overall, though.

whipassmt

He's not a war criminal. And he didn't cause the recession, it happened due to factors outside of his control.

No but he did turn a budget surpluss into a Billion dollar Deficit
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Despite being a war criminal and bringing about the biggest recession in a century he did a lot of good in Africa WRT HIV. Pretty bad President overall, though.

whipassmt

He's not a war criminal. And he didn't cause the recession, it happened due to factors outside of his control.

Keep telling yourself that and maybe it'll come true, but probably not.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Despite being a war criminal and bringing about the biggest recession in a century he did a lot of good in Africa WRT HIV. Pretty bad President overall, though.

Nuck81

He's not a war criminal. And he didn't cause the recession, it happened due to factors outside of his control.

No but he did turn a budget surpluss into a Billion dollar Deficit

Hey he didn't do that alone the democrats in congress helped out on that.

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] He's not a war criminal. And he didn't cause the recession, it happened due to factors outside of his control.

Chaos_HL21

No but he did turn a budget surpluss into a Billion dollar Deficit

Hey he didn't do that alone the democrats in congress helped out on that.

And the Multi Million Dollar Military Contracts to a Dick Cheney controlled Haliburton. Pretty Easy to make the decision to go to war, when it's your company that gets all the Military Contracts.
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Despite being a war criminal and bringing about the biggest recession in a century he did a lot of good in Africa WRT HIV. Pretty bad President overall, though.

Nuck81

He's not a war criminal. And he didn't cause the recession, it happened due to factors outside of his control.

No but he did turn a budget surpluss into a Billion dollar Deficit

Because he lowered tax rates to help the citizens of this country (in effect maybe turning the treasury from surplus to deficit, but also giving individuals and families a surplus). Also 9/11 necessitated more government spending on National Security personnel and programs (including some funding that Clinton had requested but Congress denied) and lead to wars with cost money. Anyway Bush's deficits were still lower than Obama's.

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] He's not a war criminal. And he didn't cause the recession, it happened due to factors outside of his control.

whipassmt

No but he did turn a budget surpluss into a Billion dollar Deficit

Because he lowered tax rates to help the citizens of this country (in effect maybe turning the treasury from surplus to deficit, but also giving individuals and families a surplus). Also 9/11 necessitated more government spending on National Security personnel and programs (including some funding that Clinton had requested but Congress denied) and lead to wars with cost money. Anyway Bush's deficits were still lower than Obama's.

Dat Patriot Act
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] No but he did turn a budget surpluss into a Billion dollar DeficitNuck81

Because he lowered tax rates to help the citizens of this country (in effect maybe turning the treasury from surplus to deficit, but also giving individuals and families a surplus). Also 9/11 necessitated more government spending on National Security personnel and programs (including some funding that Clinton had requested but Congress denied) and lead to wars with cost money. Anyway Bush's deficits were still lower than Obama's.

Dat Patriot Act

what about it?