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@MakeMeaSammitch said:

Don't forget the genocide against Christians and Jews.

They should get reparations.

Why stop there?

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Pssh whatever, if I was a leading decision maker for Germany, I so would veto this, not paying. Way too much money.

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#54  Edited By byof_america
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So, in short, everyone owes everyone else money. Guess we call it a wash, eh?

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#55 MakeMeaSammitch
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@foxhound_fox said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

Don't forget the genocide against Christians and Jews.

They should get reparations.

Why stop there?

Russia pretty much did **** everybody

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I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

occupation? lol.

spoken like a true palestinian.

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@mikehockbourns said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

occupation? lol.

spoken like a true palestinian.

What does him being a palestinian have to do with that?

The Allies occupied Germany after WWII, East Germany came from the Soviet Occupation Zone

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@mikehockbourns said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

occupation? lol.

spoken like a true palestinian.

I'm not sure what me being Palestinian has to do with the USSR's occupation of Eastern Germany post WWII. Unless this too will be claimed to be a "historically contended matter" in which case wait for my chuckle.

But yea I guess the word occupation isn't all that familiar to people anymore and has come to be associated with us because you know, we're the only occupied nation on the face of the earth. I'm not sure how this qualifies as humorous or amusing though.

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I can't understand a single character of that news source. But this is meaningless, Russia isn't powerful enough to strong arm Germany into giving them significant reparations for anything. And if this goes true, then we surely we can demand reparations from Russia for ruining the economies of half of the Eurasian continent with their totalitarian communist ideology.

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

http://izvestia.ru/news/582576

- Actually Germany didn't pay the USSR of any reparations for destructions and atrocities on time of the Great Patriotic War. With GDR after war the agreement on the termination of collection of reparations, with Germany was concluded and the more so by the unified Germany of such agreements wasn't concluded, so, the question is open.

- It turns out, Germany paid compensations to six million victims of a Holocaust, but thus ignored 27 million killed Soviet people. I think that the total amount of reparations in the current prices has to be not less than three - four billion euros which Germany has to pay the assignee of the USSR - Russia, - the politician added.

Lawmaker Mikhail Degtyaryov believes the final amount of reparations to be paid to Russia, which is the legal successor to the USSR, will stand at €3-4 trillion

In short: GERMANY HAS TO PAY 3-4 TRILLION EUROS FOR RUSSIA FOR ATTACKING SOVIET UNION. PAY US OR WE GONNA INVITE MORE THAN UKRAINE!!!

Wonder how much money does Russia owe Ukraine for the whole genocidal starving that killed 7,5 million in the 1930s.

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I agree. I'll let Germany know tomorrow.

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@GazaAli said:

@mikehockbourns said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

occupation? lol.

spoken like a true palestinian.

I'm not sure what me being Palestinian has to do with the USSR's occupation of Eastern Germany post WWII. Unless this too will be claimed to be a "historically contended matter" in which case wait for my chuckle.

But yea I guess the word occupation isn't all that familiar to people anymore and has come to be associated with us because you know, we're the only occupied nation on the face of the earth. I'm not sure how this qualifies as humorous or amusing though.

Palestine isn't occupied. America took over half of mexico. Every nation takes over from the previous settlers. I'm educated enough to know that the Jews were in Israel thousands of years before the Palestinians.

go cry about it.

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I'm confident TC is just a troll.

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Yeah, and I'm sure mother Russia's checks to Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, the Baltic States, Chechnya, Afghanistan, etc are all lost in the mail right? It was war, shit happens. Germany fought and lost, losing millions of people in the process. They paid their dues. It was 70 years ago, it's time to move on.

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#65  Edited By Shottayouth13-
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Russia is really strapped for cash aren't they?

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It was 70 years ago, it's time to move on.

The Holocaust was 70 years ago too, but Israel is still getting free/discounted nuclear-missile capable submarines from Germany and Holocaust survivors are still pocketing huge cash payouts whenever they can.

Hell, just two months ago France agreed to hand over the equivalent of $60 million of French taxpayers' money to Holocaust survivors and/or their descendants, just because a French railway company (that was presumably state-owned at the time) was involved in transporting victims to concentration camps.

BBC: France agrees Holocaust SNCF rail payout with US

It's strange that reparation claims are always "absurd", or "pathetic", or "unjustifiable", or otherwise subject to peremptory dismissal ... unless the Holocaust is involved. Then, of course, it's a whole other ballgame.

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@Stesilaus said:

@redstorm72 said:

It was 70 years ago, it's time to move on.

The Holocaust was 70 years ago too, but Israel is still getting free/discounted nuclear-missile capable submarines from Germany and Holocaust survivors are still pocketing huge cash payouts whenever they can.

Hell, just two months ago France agreed to hand over the equivalent of $60 million of French taxpayers' money to Holocaust survivors and/or their descendants, just because a French railway company (that was presumably state-owned at the time) was involved in transporting victims to concentration camps.

BBC: France agrees Holocaust SNCF rail payout with US

It's strange that reparation claims are always "absurd", or "pathetic", or "unjustifiable", or otherwise subject to peremptory dismissal ... unless the Holocaust is involved. Then, of course, it's a whole other ballgame.

I would like to point out that the Jewish citizens of Europe who were victims of the Holocaust were civilians and not a country at war with Germany. There's a pretty big difference there. I'd like to think that slaughtering tons of innocent and defenseless civilians is a hell of a lot different than killing enemy soldiers.

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@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

Germany attacked Soviet Union. Only germany killed our soliders and our people. Germany has to pay damages.

And the Soviet Union attacked Poland and Finland, so then Russia should pay damages too.

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I assume that someone will be suing Russia for damages incurred during the Cold War and the old Soviet Union? Seems like most of the Balkans are owed quite a bit of money.

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@whipassmt said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

Germany attacked Soviet Union. Only germany killed our soliders and our people. Germany has to pay damages.

And the Soviet Union attacked Poland and Finland, so then Russia should pay damages too.

I think it's more noteworthy that they killed 50 mill of their own people. Just look at the genocide against Christians.

What's the expression? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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@mikehockbourns said:

@GazaAli said:

@mikehockbourns said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

occupation? lol.

spoken like a true palestinian.

I'm not sure what me being Palestinian has to do with the USSR's occupation of Eastern Germany post WWII. Unless this too will be claimed to be a "historically contended matter" in which case wait for my chuckle.

But yea I guess the word occupation isn't all that familiar to people anymore and has come to be associated with us because you know, we're the only occupied nation on the face of the earth. I'm not sure how this qualifies as humorous or amusing though.

Palestine isn't occupied. America took over half of mexico. Every nation takes over from the previous settlers. I'm educated enough to know that the Jews were in Israel thousands of years before the Palestinians.

go cry about it.

You clearly don't know what the **** you're talking about, for someone "educated". Occupation simply means that a territory is under the control of a foreign sovereign. So GazaAli's description of Palestine and Germany in this way is pretty spot on. The reason why the former Mexican territories aren't considered "occupied" is because they have been recognized as part of the U.S. for over 150 years and their populations consider the U.S. government to be their sovereign.

Last I checked, the Soviets didn't colonize East Germany with Russians and the Palestinian territories are both populated with Palestinians now and are not considered by the international community to be under Israeli sovereignty.

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Only 4 trillion? I would demand the first born also but I'm a bit old fashioned when it comes to these crazy demands.

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@Barbariser said:

You clearly don't know what the **** you're talking about, for someone "educated". Occupation simply means that a territory is under the control of a foreign sovereign. So GazaAli's description of Palestine and Germany in this way is pretty spot on. The reason why the former Mexican territories aren't considered "occupied" is because they have been recognized as part of the U.S. for over 150 years and their populations consider the U.S. government to be their sovereign.

Last I checked, the Soviets didn't colonize East Germany with Russians and the Palestinian territories are both populated with Palestinians now and are not considered by the international community to be under Israeli sovereignty.

He isn't worth the trouble. People who can't tell the difference between an occupation carried by a foreign sovereign and a successful colonization of a land entailing full assimilation and recognition by the indigenous population are morons rather than educated.

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So World War III should be coming soon?

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@whipassmt said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

Germany attacked Soviet Union. Only germany killed our soliders and our people. Germany has to pay damages.

And the Soviet Union attacked Poland and Finland, so then Russia should pay damages too.

No we did not attack those countries. Its our territory!!!! OUR LAND!!!! IF NATO NOT LEAVE UKRAINE, THEN RUSSIA WILL TAKE A WHOLE UKRAINE BACK. Baltic states will be next!!!

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

@whipassmt said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

Germany attacked Soviet Union. Only germany killed our soliders and our people. Germany has to pay damages.

And the Soviet Union attacked Poland and Finland, so then Russia should pay damages too.

No we did not attack those countries. Its our territory!!!! OUR LAND!!!! IF NATO NOT LEAVE UKRAINE, THEN RUSSIA WILL TAKE A WHOLE UKRAINE BACK. Baltic states will be next!!!

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

Germany attacked Soviet Union. Only germany killed our soliders and our people. Germany has to pay damages.

**** your soldiers. also, this is exactly what Germany was gone through after the WWI, as a result they came back for a revenge. so unless you want more dead soldiers in another world war i suggest you skip it and figure out a better way to sort out your dysfunctional economy.

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@VaguelyTagged said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

Germany attacked Soviet Union. Only germany killed our soliders and our people. Germany has to pay damages.

**** your soldiers. also, this is exactly what Germany was gone through after the WWI, as a result they came back for a revenge. so unless you want more dead soldiers in another world war i suggest you skip it and figure out a better way to sort out your dysfunctional economy.

NO NO NO!!!

A whole Europe is bad. Now NATO wants to make army base in baltic states. Germany better pay back our money and NATO leave Ukraine, or else we gonna take a whole Europe back. You making Putin so angry now. What else our great leader has to do to fight against nazi??? LEAVE RUSSIA ALONE, PAY MONEY BACK OR ELSE WE GONNA HAVE WW3 AND YOU LOSE. FIRST WE TAKE BALITICS THEN, THEN EUROPE AND THEN AMERICA.

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

@VaguelyTagged said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

Germany attacked Soviet Union. Only germany killed our soliders and our people. Germany has to pay damages.

**** your soldiers. also, this is exactly what Germany was gone through after the WWI, as a result they came back for a revenge. so unless you want more dead soldiers in another world war i suggest you skip it and figure out a better way to sort out your dysfunctional economy.

NO NO NO!!!

A whole Europe is bad. Now NATO wants to make army base in baltic states. Germany better pay back our money and NATO leave Ukraine, or else we gonna take a whole Europe back. You making Putin so angry now. What else our great leader has to do to fight against nazi??? LEAVE RUSSIA ALONE, PAY MONEY BACK OR ELSE WE GONNA HAVE WW3 AND YOU LOSE. FIRST WE TAKE BALITICS THEN, THEN EUROPE AND THEN AMERICA.

cool story bro.

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So World War III should be coming soon?

Yep. Momma bear is going to go crazy protecting her cubs. Not even a huge pot of honey is going to calm her down now. I for one welcome the coming nuclear winter.

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I wonder if I'm the only one actually hoping for nuclear war. Sure it will kill billions but it's better the Russians initiate it than Skynet (AI) because the difference would be the complete extinction of humanity versus a huge reduction in population. That isn't even factoring in salvation from the global warming threat that simply isn't going to stop if the current population growth rates continue.

Nuclear winter is exactly what the doctor ordered in my incredibly insane opinion but if it does happen it should be noted that as insane as I am I wasn't the one to make the conditions for it to happen inevitable. I just think humanity would be getting what it needs and what it deserves given its current state of conciousness. It buys more time for humanity to evolve.

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@Strakha said:

I wonder if I'm the only one actually hoping for nuclear war. Sure it will kill billions but it's better the Russians initiate it than Skynet (AI) because the difference would be the complete extinction of humanity versus a huge reduction in population. That isn't even factoring in salvation from the global warming threat that simply isn't going to stop if the current population growth rates continue.

Nuclear winter is exactly what the doctor ordered in my incredibly insane opinion but if it does happen it should be noted that as insane as I am I wasn't the one to make the conditions for it to happen inevitable. I just think humanity would be getting what it needs and what it deserves given its current state of conciousness. It buys more time for humanity to evolve.

Well, the cockroaches that would inherit the Earth afterwards could hardly be worse than the ones that run it now.

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@Strakha said:

I wonder if I'm the only one actually hoping for nuclear war. Sure it will kill billions but it's better the Russians initiate it than Skynet (AI) because the difference would be the complete extinction of humanity versus a huge reduction in population. That isn't even factoring in salvation from the global warming threat that simply isn't going to stop if the current population growth rates continue.

Nuclear winter is exactly what the doctor ordered in my incredibly insane opinion but if it does happen it should be noted that as insane as I am I wasn't the one to make the conditions for it to happen inevitable. I just think humanity would be getting what it needs and what it deserves given its current state of conciousness. It buys more time for humanity to evolve.

Russia and China will kick Europe and America ass.

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@FreedomFreeLife:

You obviously haven't read much on the projected effects of nuclear war. Even if a nuclear war between major powers was completely one sided for whatever reason the majority of the worlds population still gets wiped out by the after effects. You can't win a nuclear war but it's better it happens before AI does it to us. I'm still on the fence on whether it would be better than global warming. Ok maybe I don't really hope it happens but if it does then it means we were not ready for the tech level we currently have and that is that.

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@Strakha said:

@FreedomFreeLife:

You obviously haven't read much on the projected effects of nuclear war. Even if a nuclear war between major powers was completely one sided for whatever reason the majority of the worlds population still gets wiped out by the after effects. You can't win a nuclear war but it's better it happens before AI does it to us. I'm still on the fence on whether it would be better than global warming. Ok maybe I don't really hope it happens but if it does then it means we were not ready for the tech level we currently have and that is that.

When nuclear war happens, then a whole earth is whiped out.

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Hypothetically, if Germany were to agree to pay such reparations to the Russian people, I'm sure the Putin regime and his cronies would find a way to pocket the reparations entirely for themselves.

Russian youth will continue to either waste away shooting up krokodil or join the Russian neo-fascist movement and walk around in gangs beating up and killing foreigners in broad daylight.

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@FreedomFreeLife: Russia can **** off! I was not even born, nor were my parents when WW2 happened. I would strongly refuse that this is going to happen. Russia killed more of their own than the Germans did

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#88  Edited By Pitbulllova
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Germany suffered enough. Russian occupation of East Germany, and the rape of East Prussia and Berlin were MORE than enough revenge. Those who support this 4 trillion dollar deal are either Russian, or from an eastern european country that is STILL anti-german because of world war 2. Lets face it, eastern europe is a RACIST place. Theyll hate anyone who isnt from their own "Ingroup".

TBH Russians arre probably jealous of Germanys economic might :p (Im Canadian [Parents born in india] btw so dont think im biased towards germany)

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Agreed!

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Oh, FFL is a Putinist dog? It all makes sense now.

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@The_Last_Ride said:

@FreedomFreeLife: Russia can **** off! I was not even born, nor were my parents when WW2 happened. I would strongly refuse that this is going to happen. Russia killed more of their own than the Germans did

Russia did not kill anyone. Only germans did!!! we only protected ourselves from nazi. even history books says that

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

NO NO NO!!!

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It was Germany. Only Germany killed innocent people, destoryed half of europe"

Troll thread confirmed.

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Setting aside the reparations issue, @FreedomFreeLife is undeniably correct when he identifes NATO as the aggressor in Ukraine.

It's well known that "President" Petro Poroshenko is a longtime US puppet who was installed by a US-State-Department-managed coup d'etat.

Wikileak Cables: Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in Washington's Pocket Since 2006

And, in spite of Western "news media's" attempts to downplay the atrocities, it's also well known that the same Poroshenko has been directing his army to devastate civilian infrastructure in Donetsk/Lugansk, shell residential districts and butcher civilians.

The attack on ethnic Russians in what used to be eastern Ukraine (before it became Novorossiya) is part of a concerted attempt to provoke Russia.

Well, NATO, do your "Wurst" ...

Send your grand army of Conchitas to Russia, where chefs bend cast iron pans (0:49) and carpenters hammer in nails (1:24) with their bare hands!

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@MakeMeaSammitch said:

@whipassmt said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@GazaAli said:

I don't want to get into the whole statute of limitations argument with you if it applies at all in the first place, but I think the USSR with its occupation of Eastern Germany for several decades kind of "got even" with Germany.

At any rate I've been thinking for a while about what appears to me to be German "exceptionalism" with regards to accountability and war-related culpability. Why exactly is Germany, or Nazi Germany for the sticklers of you ,continue to be the focus of what happened several decades ago? It would be one thing if whatever atrocities and cruelties committed by Germany during WWII continued to the present day or near past, or if it were not held responsible for them or didn't pay its dues for them. But the fact of the matter is that Germany witnessed a remarkable transformation when compared to the days of the third Reich and it actually did pay a fair deal of reparations. We can confidently say that the victims of Nazism are all but dead now, not that it excuses anything committed by Nazi Germany but for the sake of practicality you could say Germany is no longer culpable because both the persecutor and the persecuted are bygone. Yet it seems that German culpability just wouldn't be put to rest already even though that many other powers have committed their share of atrocities in different parts of the world and at different points in time without either changing or being held accountable to any degree at all. Even Germany itself seems to remain overshadowed by Nazism to this day. Its very peculiar.

Germany attacked Soviet Union. Only germany killed our soliders and our people. Germany has to pay damages.

And the Soviet Union attacked Poland and Finland, so then Russia should pay damages too.

I think it's more noteworthy that they killed 50 mill of their own people. Just look at the genocide against Christians.

What's the expression? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Off hand I don't now how many Soviet citizens the Soviet Union killed. And yes the expression is "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" or as 50 Cent says "you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house, and if you got a glass jaw you better watch your mouth".

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@FreedomFreeLife: Russia can **** off! I was not even born, nor were my parents when WW2 happened. I would strongly refuse that this is going to happen. Russia killed more of their own than the Germans did

Russia did not kill anyone. Only germans did!!! we only protected ourselves from nazi. even history books says that

i seriously hope that's sarcasm

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@The_Last_Ride said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@FreedomFreeLife: Russia can **** off! I was not even born, nor were my parents when WW2 happened. I would strongly refuse that this is going to happen. Russia killed more of their own than the Germans did

Russia did not kill anyone. Only germans did!!! we only protected ourselves from nazi. even history books says that

i seriously hope that's sarcasm

wtf? do you even watch who we support? more than half russia supports Putin because he is doing right thing. Learn history. It says that Germany attacked and destoryd half europe. Also why NATO attacked Ukraine?!? As we know, January 85 percent of Russians support Putin. Why you nato kill innocent people in ukraine?

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@The_Last_Ride said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@FreedomFreeLife: Russia can **** off! I was not even born, nor were my parents when WW2 happened. I would strongly refuse that this is going to happen. Russia killed more of their own than the Germans did

Russia did not kill anyone. Only germans did!!! we only protected ourselves from nazi. even history books says that

i seriously hope that's sarcasm

wtf? do you even watch who we support? more than half russia supports Putin because he is doing right thing. Learn history. It says that Germany attacked and destoryd half europe. Also why NATO attacked Ukraine?!? As we know, January 85 percent of Russians support Putin. Why you nato kill innocent people in ukraine?

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@FreedomFreeLife said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

Russia did not kill anyone. Only germans did!!! we only protected ourselves from nazi. even history books says that

i seriously hope that's sarcasm

wtf? do you even watch who we support? more than half russia supports Putin because he is doing right thing. Learn history. It says that Germany attacked and destoryd half europe. Also why NATO attacked Ukraine?!? As we know, January 85 percent of Russians support Putin. Why you nato kill innocent people in ukraine?

Honestly why are you still allowed to post?

I don't even know why this thread is still open, it's obviously a troll thread

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@lostrib said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

Russia did not kill anyone. Only germans did!!! we only protected ourselves from nazi. even history books says that

i seriously hope that's sarcasm

wtf? do you even watch who we support? more than half russia supports Putin because he is doing right thing. Learn history. It says that Germany attacked and destoryd half europe. Also why NATO attacked Ukraine?!? As we know, January 85 percent of Russians support Putin. Why you nato kill innocent people in ukraine?

Honestly why are you still allowed to post?

I don't even know why this thread is still open, it's obviously a troll thread

Is this guy for real?