Let's feed'em young so they can't dismiss it! Anywho i think Religion, if it is to be taught should be kept to university or after 16. It should be the choice of the individual if they want to learn and not the duty of the schools to teach belief systems.
better a misunderstood view of relgion then blinded by ittony2077ca
Surely you jest. You'd prefer a child growing up thinking the entirety of Islam is based around suicide bombings, then growing up thinking there is a deity?
If you don't teach kids about religion, they'd probably end up with a very misunderstood view on a lot of it.AirGuitarist87
He did say teach it when you're at an older age. Besides -- isn't that what church and sunday school is for? I grew up in Catholic school all my life -- we had 40 minutes of Religion subject everyday -- it was taught more technical (learning the sacraments, about saints and all that stuff). It was good to learn that side of it -- but it was irritating when they taught us one sided things (no sex before marriage, abortion issues, marriage and divorce) to me those things were not necessary to be taught in a classroom setting.
Having gone to a parochial elementary school myself, I can honestly say that it really hasn't changed me. Even if they're so-called "brainwashed" at an early age, kids do grow up and make choices for themselves. Even in my classes, I always questioned lessons. I don't think it needs to be removed, because it's not really being forced upon anyone. The parents would shove the material down their throats one way or another, and parents have the choice to take them to a public school, too.
[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]If you don't teach kids about religion, they'd probably end up with a very misunderstood view on a lot of it.Sajedene
He did say teach it when you're at an older age. Besides -- isn't that what church and sunday school is for? I grew up in Catholic school all my life -- we had 40 minutes of Religion subject everyday -- it was taught more technical (learning the sacraments, about saints and all that stuff). It was good to learn that side of it -- but it was irritating when they taught us one sided things (no sex before marriage, abortion issues, marriage and divorce) to me those things were not necessary to be taught in a classroom setting. I grew up in a Christian school as well, but I'm still a lazy atheist. I think leaving teaching any religion until University is far too late.
[QUOTE="tony2077ca"]better a misunderstood view of relgion then blinded by itAirGuitarist87
Surely you jest. You'd prefer a child growing up thinking the entirety of Islam is based around suicide bombings, then growing up thinking there is a deity?
You unfairly misinterpret this. Being "blinded by religion" is not the same as simply thinking there is a deity.
[QUOTE="tony2077ca"]better a misunderstood view of religion then blinded by itAirGuitarist87
Surely you jest. You'd prefer a child growing up thinking the entirety of Islam is based around suicide bombings, then growing up thinking there is a deity? i don't like what some religions have done so i attack them all when i have the chance like that religion where the girls aren't aloud to go out unless they hide every but there eyes and a lot of people have died because of religion
[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="tony2077ca"]better a misunderstood view of relgion then blinded by itchessmaster1989
Surely you jest. You'd prefer a child growing up thinking the entirety of Islam is based around suicide bombings, then growing up thinking there is a deity?
You unfairly misinterpret this. Being "blinded by religion" is not the same as simply thinking there is a deity.
The same as "teaching" a religion isn't "brainwashing".
i don't like what some religions have done so i attack them all when i have the chance like that religion where the girls aren't aloud to go out unless they hide every but there eyes and a lot of people have died because of religion tony2077ca
I can't deny that no religion hasn't got blood on it's hands, but with such large histories behind them it would be a miracle for them not to. The same goes for most sciences that study humans (biology, psychology, medicine). The best way to not make the same mistakes is to learn from our past.
[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]If you don't teach kids about religion, they'd probably end up with a very misunderstood view on a lot of it.AirGuitarist87
He did say teach it when you're at an older age. Besides -- isn't that what church and sunday school is for? I grew up in Catholic school all my life -- we had 40 minutes of Religion subject everyday -- it was taught more technical (learning the sacraments, about saints and all that stuff). It was good to learn that side of it -- but it was irritating when they taught us one sided things (no sex before marriage, abortion issues, marriage and divorce) to me those things were not necessary to be taught in a classroom setting. I grew up in a Christian school as well, but I'm still a lazy atheist. I think leaving teaching any religion until University is far too late. See we are the lucky ones -- for every 1 of us -- there is like 5 of them.
It was the only class in which we were ever taught morals.
For the first 3/4 years it was mostly Christian + Bible studies, which I'm not a fan of although I think that people should have a basic knowledge of the religion they were born into, even if they ignore it (as I do).
The two years after that it was solely morality and ethical issues, such as abortion and the death penalty.
The year after that we watched K-Pax. Was a good year.
That's as silly as some of the religious folks claim that you shouldn't teach kids sex ed. It is part of the world, you're not educating kids if you just ignore what you don't like. If you're going to teach people history or other people / cultures region is going to have to be a part of it.
Somewhere between option B and C. It's useful but you shouldn't need to be taught it past primary school, you just need to know some basics. Though as teachers are swampped at the moment as the goverment keeps adding more to the curiculum with out allowing any more time it should be a very low prioraty. Personally i think the school day should be made longer and then there should be morre teaching of things like fitness and social skills at lower levels as parents don't seem to be doing thier job very well these days.
Teaching theology should not be banned; Asserting a particular religion's validity and infallibility should be put out of practice.GeorgeTopouria
a man after my own heart. i have no problem with teaching theology but having just a "catholic class" or just a "hindu class" is one of those things that should be after a couple solid years of theology
That's as silly as some of the religious folks claim that you shouldn't teach kids sex ed. It is part of the world, you're not educating kids if you just ignore what you don't like. If you're going to teach people history or other people / cultures region is going to have to be a part of it.duxup
As i part of history i agree and also sociology, politics etc. But if you're talking about teaching children beliefs that are as valid as science then i disagree.
I think religious education is important. So long as everyone participates and learns about all of the main religions, there's no issue to be had with it.
I wasn't aware of public schools evangelizing to the students.FragStains
In my public high school, I did 10 rounds with my computer literacy teacher who had a display up over the holidays asserting that "Jesus is the Reason for the Season" Edit: Oh, there was also a substitute teacher sometimes used who was the youth minister at a local church who, during roll call, asked each person what church they went to; ah the joys of a rural Alabama education.
Let's feed'em young so they can't dismiss it! Anywho i think Religion, if it is to be taught should be kept to university or after 16. It should be the choice of the individual if they want to learn and not the duty of the schools to teach belief systems.duncancameron23
Is religion even in schools any more? The only things I can think of that could be considered slightly religious would be extra religion courses and maybe the few public schools who offer intelligent design along with evolution. No one is forcing it down the kid's throats, they're just offering it. A basic knowledge of religions and beliefs would be helpful in all situations, regardless of if you actually believe it in a spiritual sense.
[QUOTE="duxup"]That's as silly as some of the religious folks claim that you shouldn't teach kids sex ed. It is part of the world, you're not educating kids if you just ignore what you don't like. If you're going to teach people history or other people / cultures region is going to have to be a part of it.duncancameron23
As i part of history i agree and also sociology, politics etc. But if you're talking about teaching children beliefs that are as valid as science then i disagree.
I don't see why not. Just toss it out as "Here is what many scientists tell us, here is what some other folk believe." There you go.
[QUOTE="FragStains"]I wasn't aware of public schools evangelizing to the students.xaos
In my public high school, I did 10 rounds with my computer literacy teacher who had a display up over the holidays asserting that "Jesus is the Reason for the Season" Edit: Oh, there was also a substitute teacher sometimes used who was the youth minister at a local church who, during roll call, asked each person what church they went to; ah the joys of a rural Alabama education. Holiday posters, huh? Oh boy, next thing you know they'll be stuffing you in churches and having morning bible readings. A little thing called religious tolerance. Might want to read about it.
Oh, there was also a substitute teacher sometimes used who was the youth minister at a local church who, during roll call, asked each person what church they went to; ah the joys of a rural Alabama education.xaos
Awesome. What would she say if you told her you didn't go to church?
[QUOTE="xaos"]Oh, there was also a substitute teacher sometimes used who was the youth minister at a local church who, during roll call, asked each person what church they went to; ah the joys of a rural Alabama education.Genetic_Code
Awesome. What would she say if you told her you didn't go to church. He'd try to get you to come to his church; I declined and he spent about a minute in the middle of roll call trying to get me to come to his church because "that was why God put him there"
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="FragStains"]I wasn't aware of public schools evangelizing to the students.LittleHands134
In my public high school, I did 10 rounds with my computer literacy teacher who had a display up over the holidays asserting that "Jesus is the Reason for the Season" Edit: Oh, there was also a substitute teacher sometimes used who was the youth minister at a local church who, during roll call, asked each person what church they went to; ah the joys of a rural Alabama education. Holiday posters, huh? Oh boy, next thing you know they'll be stuffing you in churches and having morning bible readings. A little thing called religious tolerance. Might want to read about it. A government employee putting them up in a government facility is a little thing a violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Might want to read about it.
[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="xaos"] In my public high school, I did 10 rounds with my computer literacy teacher who had a display up over the holidays asserting that "Jesus is the Reason for the Season" Edit: Oh, there was also a substitute teacher sometimes used who was the youth minister at a local church who, during roll call, asked each person what church they went to; ah the joys of a rural Alabama education.xaos
Holiday posters, huh? Oh boy, next thing you know they'll be stuffing you in churches and having morning bible readings. A little thing called religious tolerance. Might want to read about it. A government employee putting them up in a government facility is a little thing a violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Might want to read about it. Students are so touchy nowadays. I'm getting sick of this politically correct garbage. Did the teacher physically attack you because of your beliefs? No. Did the teacher verbally insult your beliefs? No. It's a poster, get over it.
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] Holiday posters, huh? Oh boy, next thing you know they'll be stuffing you in churches and having morning bible readings. A little thing called religious tolerance. Might want to read about it.LittleHands134
A government employee putting them up in a government facility is a little thing a violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Might want to read about it. Students are so touchy nowadays. I'm getting sick of this politically correct garbage. Did the teacher physically attack you because of your beliefs? No. Did the teacher verbally insult your beliefs? No. It's a poster, get over it. No, I don't think I will get over flagrant violations of the Constitution. It's a document I clearly take a great deal more seriously than you do.
[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="xaos"] A government employee putting them up in a government facility is a little thing a violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Might want to read about it.xaos
Students are so touchy nowadays. I'm getting sick of this politically correct garbage. Did the teacher physically attack you because of your beliefs? No. Did the teacher verbally insult your beliefs? No. It's a poster, get over it. No, I don't think I will get over flagrant violations of the Constitution. It's a document I clearly take a great deal more seriously than you do. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The 1st Amendment protects against religious persecution and a Government establishing a religious state. If you really consider a holiday poster as a written attack against your beliefs, you have more problems than just being overly politically correct. The 1st Amendment is meant to protect people with real problems. For example, a Muslim man being attacked because of his beliefs. Not a sensitive teenager who gets his panties in a wad any time he overhears someone mention religion.
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] Students are so touchy nowadays. I'm getting sick of this politically correct garbage. Did the teacher physically attack you because of your beliefs? No. Did the teacher verbally insult your beliefs? No. It's a poster, get over it.LittleHands134
No, I don't think I will get over flagrant violations of the Constitution. It's a document I clearly take a great deal more seriously than you do. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The 1st Amendment protects against religious persecution and a Government establishing a religious state. If you really consider a holiday poster as a written attack against your beliefs, you have more problems than just being overly politically correct. The 1st Amendment is meant to protect people with real problems. For example, a Muslim man being attacked because of his beliefs. Not a sensitive teenager who gets his panties in a wad any time he overhears someone mention religion. Look into legal precedent; the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld that it is unconstitutional for public schools to endorse a religion, such as a teacher promoting Christianity. I'm sorry if you lack the savvy to understand that, but you are quite simply wrong. Edit: Let me put it in a less inflammatory way. Letting things "slide" constitutionally is how the Bill of Rights gets eroded.
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="xaos"] No, I don't think I will get over flagrant violations of the Constitution. It's a document I clearly take a great deal more seriously than you do. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The 1st Amendment protects against religious persecution and a Government establishing a religious state. If you really consider a holiday poster as a written attack against your beliefs, you have more problems than just being overly politically correct. The 1st Amendment is meant to protect people with real problems. For example, a Muslim man being attacked because of his beliefs. Not a sensitive teenager who gets his panties in a wad any time he overhears someone mention religion. Look into legal precedent; the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld that it is unconstitutional for public schools to endorse a religion, such as a teacher promoting Christianity. I'm sorry if you lack the savvy to understand that, but you are quite simply wrong. How is your school endorsing a religion? Here's a few questions for you. 1. Did your teacher ever draw attention to the poster and then tell the students about the meaning of it? 2. Have any of your teachers gone out of their way to devote an entire class period on religious discussion in an inappropriate time. For example, religious discussion in a physical education class. If your teachers haven't done either of those two things, they aren't endorsing a religion. She simply had a holiday poster on the wall during the holiday season. Would you consider a teacher wearing a small cross around his/her neck a religious endorsement? Of course not. If she didn't draw attention to the poster intentionally, then it's no different. One more question. Do you plan to take any legal action against the teacher because of this? Or are you just complaining about it in a video game forum because it's 'the cool thing to do'.
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] Students are so touchy nowadays. I'm getting sick of this politically correct garbage. Did the teacher physically attack you because of your beliefs? No. Did the teacher verbally insult your beliefs? No. It's a poster, get over it.LittleHands134
No, I don't think I will get over flagrant violations of the Constitution. It's a document I clearly take a great deal more seriously than you do. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The 1st Amendment protects against religious persecution and a Government establishing a religious state. If you really consider a holiday poster as a written attack against your beliefs, you have more problems than just being overly politically correct. The 1st Amendment is meant to protect people with real problems. For example, a Muslim man being attacked because of his beliefs. Not a sensitive teenager who gets his panties in a wad any time he overhears someone mention religion. Not on all your points necessarily, but this op-ed piece would seem to agree with you:
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The 1st Amendment protects against religious persecution and a Government establishing a religious state. If you really consider a holiday poster as a written attack against your beliefs, you have more problems than just being overly politically correct. The 1st Amendment is meant to protect people with real problems. For example, a Muslim man being attacked because of his beliefs. Not a sensitive teenager who gets his panties in a wad any time he overhears someone mention religion.LittleHands134
Look into legal precedent; the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld that it is unconstitutional for public schools to endorse a religion, such as a teacher promoting Christianity. I'm sorry if you lack the savvy to understand that, but you are quite simply wrong. How is your school endorsing a religion? Here's a few questions for you. 1. Did your teacher ever draw attention to the poster and then tell the students about the meaning of it? 2. Have any of your teachers gone out of their way to devote an entire class period on religious discussion in an inappropriate time. For example, religious discussion in a physical education class. If your teachers haven't done either of those two things, they aren't endorsing a religion. She simply had a holiday poster on the wall during the holiday season. Would you consider a teacher wearing a small cross around his/her neck a religious endorsement? Of course not. If she didn't draw attention to the poster intentionally, then it's no different. One more question. Do you plan to take any legal action against the teacher because of this? Or are you just complaining about it in a video game forum because it's 'the cool thing to do'.Both of those questions are irrelevant. You may as well have said, 'did your teacher threatean to kill non-Christians? No? Well religion isn't being endorsed then'. :roll:
[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The 1st Amendment protects against religious persecution and a Government establishing a religious state. If you really consider a holiday poster as a written attack against your beliefs, you have more problems than just being overly politically correct. The 1st Amendment is meant to protect people with real problems. For example, a Muslim man being attacked because of his beliefs. Not a sensitive teenager who gets his panties in a wad any time he overhears someone mention religion. Look into legal precedent; the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld that it is unconstitutional for public schools to endorse a religion, such as a teacher promoting Christianity. I'm sorry if you lack the savvy to understand that, but you are quite simply wrong. How is your school endorsing a religion? Here's a few questions for you. 1. Did your teacher ever draw attention to the poster and then tell the students about the meaning of it? 2. Have any of your teachers gone out of their way to devote an entire class period on religious discussion in an inappropriate time. For example, religious discussion in a physical education class. If your teachers haven't done either of those two things, they aren't endorsing a religion. She simply had a holiday poster on the wall during the holiday season. Would you consider a teacher wearing a small cross around his/her neck a religious endorsement? Of course not. If she didn't draw attention to the poster intentionally, then it's no different. One more question. Do you plan to take any legal action against the teacher because of this? Or are you just complaining about it in a video game forum because it's 'the cool thing to do'. I don't plan to take legal action, because it happened in 1989; out of curiosity, does this mean that you also think nativity displays or displays of the ten commandments in a city hall for instance are a-ok? If so, I'll drop out of this conversation, because by all indications there is no value in either of us expressing our view to the other.
[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="xaos"] No, I don't think I will get over flagrant violations of the Constitution. It's a document I clearly take a great deal more seriously than you do.xaos
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The 1st Amendment protects against religious persecution and a Government establishing a religious state. If you really consider a holiday poster as a written attack against your beliefs, you have more problems than just being overly politically correct. The 1st Amendment is meant to protect people with real problems. For example, a Muslim man being attacked because of his beliefs. Not a sensitive teenager who gets his panties in a wad any time he overhears someone mention religion. Look into legal precedent; the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld that it is unconstitutional for public schools to endorse a religion, such as a teacher promoting Christianity. I'm sorry if you lack the savvy to understand that, but you are quite simply wrong. Edit: Let me put it in a less inflammatory way. Letting things "slide" constitutionally is how the Bill of Rights gets eroded. There are parts of the Bill of Rights that SHOULD be eroded... but not that one.
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