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Nvm. I honestly don't know what to say. I think the boy's mother didn't want to make this bigger than it already was. Very odd though.
So you think these girls should be immune from the law? They produced child porn They released it online, it will ALWAYS be online. They broke the law.Personal opinion aside, for those calling to send/punish the girls severly for their crimes is hypocritical because that too can scar them for life. I know what they did was wrong and they should be punished in a matter most fitting but by the looks of it, it was bad judgement from the girl's side. Also, as for double standards, yes there will always be double standards but here you go: LINK
The girl is being charged as a sex offender. How's that for scarred for life, and how's that for double standards. :? The law goes after everyone.
This whole thing is perplexing though. I don't think there's enough information to establish a well-informed opinion but from what I've seen, those girls should be punished by their parents. Maybe the boy's mother doesn't want this to go too far? This whole thing is messed up.
leviathan91
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]They recorded a naked 11 year old, and then posted it on the internet. That is production and distribution of child porn. The girls should be charged.Nibroc420
The police didn't see it that way.
And you dont see anything wrong with that? It's pretty obvious what they did was a felony, and if anyone else were to do the same they'd be charged to the full extent of the law, and labeled as sex offenders. No-one is above the law, children or not.After finding out further information about said case (remember that I stated that there are 2 sides to the story), the boy brought it on himself. He was the instigator and suffered the consequences of his actions. Should the girls have posted the video on YouTube? No and I have stated that they didn't use good judgment, but as such, the boy caused his own embarrassment and the police saw it that way.
Normally I would agree that the girls should have been punished, if they were the true perpetrators of a crime, but as they didn't initiate the incident in question, the boy got his just dues.
[QUOTE="leviathan91"]So you think these girls should be immune from the law? They produced child porn They released it online, it will ALWAYS be online. They broke the law.Personal opinion aside, for those calling to send/punish the girls severly for their crimes is hypocritical because that too can scar them for life. I know what they did was wrong and they should be punished in a matter most fitting but by the looks of it, it was bad judgement from the girl's side. Also, as for double standards, yes there will always be double standards but here you go: LINK
The girl is being charged as a sex offender. How's that for scarred for life, and how's that for double standards. :? The law goes after everyone.
This whole thing is perplexing though. I don't think there's enough information to establish a well-informed opinion but from what I've seen, those girls should be punished by their parents. Maybe the boy's mother doesn't want this to go too far? This whole thing is messed up.
Nibroc420
They're not immune. They did a crime that they could be charged with if the boy's mother wasn't so forgiving. The girls aren't victims but I don't think this has to be bigger than it already is. That's probably the boy's mother's reasoning.
And you dont see anything wrong with that? It's pretty obvious what they did was a felony, and if anyone else were to do the same they'd be charged to the full extent of the law, and labeled as sex offenders. No-one is above the law, children or not.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
The police didn't see it that way.
WhiteKnight77
After finding out further information about said case (remember that I stated that there are 2 sides to the story), the boy brought it on himself. He was the instigator and suffered the consequences of his actions. Should the girls have posted the video on YouTube? No and I have stated that they didn't use good judgment, but as such, the boy caused his own embarrassment and the police saw it that way.
Normally I would agree that the girls should have been punished, if they were the true perpetrators of a crime, but as they didn't initiate the incident in question, the boy got his just dues.
They produced and distributed child porn. That is illegal. Just as if someone punches you, you can't shoot them in the head in "self defense" it's murder. Regardless of what the boy did, these girls did what they did, and what they did was illegal.unwanted?
lolz kid wasnt even putting up a fight (;
BiancaDK
And you dont see anything wrong with that? It's pretty obvious what they did was a felony, and if anyone else were to do the same they'd be charged to the full extent of the law, and labeled as sex offenders. No-one is above the law, children or not.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
The police didn't see it that way.
WhiteKnight77
After finding out further information about said case (remember that I stated that there are 2 sides to the story), the boy brought it on himself. He was the instigator and suffered the consequences of his actions. Should the girls have posted the video on YouTube? No and I have stated that they didn't use good judgment, but as such, the boy caused his own embarrassment and the police saw it that way.
Normally I would agree that the girls should have been punished, if they were the true perpetrators of a crime, but as they didn't initiate the incident in question, the boy got his just dues.
How did he instigate it? Also, it doesn't change the fact that had the genders been switched the perps would still be going to prison regardless.[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]And you dont see anything wrong with that? It's pretty obvious what they did was a felony, and if anyone else were to do the same they'd be charged to the full extent of the law, and labeled as sex offenders. No-one is above the law, children or not.gameguy6700
After finding out further information about said case (remember that I stated that there are 2 sides to the story), the boy brought it on himself. He was the instigator and suffered the consequences of his actions. Should the girls have posted the video on YouTube? No and I have stated that they didn't use good judgment, but as such, the boy caused his own embarrassment and the police saw it that way.
Normally I would agree that the girls should have been punished, if they were the true perpetrators of a crime, but as they didn't initiate the incident in question, the boy got his just dues.
How did he instigate it? Also, it doesn't change the fact that had the genders been switched the perps would still be going to prison regardless.I don't know what he did to instigate the incident and I didn't ask (this is a clue as to how I got my information) about what he did. The fact remains, is that he started it and got his just dues. Maybe the kid was being pervy and was trying to pull the girls shorts down, maybe he tried to grab some breasts, I don't know, but he found out the hard way that he should be more careful about his actions when it comes to young teenage girls.
@ Nibroc, maybe they made child porn, but the police didn't see it that way.
@ Nibroc, maybe they made child porn, but the police didn't see it that way.
WhiteKnight77
Maybe? There's no question, they DID and it was on Youtube.
I dont see how the police "Can't see it that way", when it was pretty obviously the case.
Creation of Child porn = Illegal.
Distribution of Child Porn = Illegal.
Yet these girls do both, and nothing happens. A clear example of a corrupt justice system.
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
@ Nibroc, maybe they made child porn, but the police didn't see it that way.
Nibroc420
Maybe? There's no question, they DID and it was on Youtube.
I dont see how the police "Can't see it that way", when it was pretty obviously the case.
Creation of Child porn = Illegal.
Distribution of Child Porn = Illegal.
Yet these girls do both, and nothing happens. A clear example of a corrupt justice system.
I am just going on what I have been told. They didn't make child porn.
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
@ Nibroc, maybe they made child porn, but the police didn't see it that way.
WhiteKnight77
Maybe? There's no question, they DID and it was on Youtube.
I dont see how the police "Can't see it that way", when it was pretty obviously the case.
Creation of Child porn = Illegal.
Distribution of Child Porn = Illegal.
Yet these girls do both, and nothing happens. A clear example of a corrupt justice system.
I am just going on what I have been told. They didn't make child porn.
They stripped a boy naked, and recorded it. That is porn.[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
@ Nibroc, maybe they made child porn, but the police didn't see it that way.
WhiteKnight77
Maybe? There's no question, they DID and it was on Youtube.
I dont see how the police "Can't see it that way", when it was pretty obviously the case.
Creation of Child porn = Illegal.
Distribution of Child Porn = Illegal.
Yet these girls do both, and nothing happens. A clear example of a corrupt justice system.
I am just going on what I have been told. They didn't make child porn.
1. They recorded a video of a naked child and posted it online. That's enough to qualify as child porn production and distribution. Just ask all the teens who get labeled as sex offenders for sexting.2. I'm assuming you're asking other kids about the incident. I wouldn't go off what children say, ESPECIALLY if they're friends of the girls. Hell, even if it's an adult, if they're friends with the families of the girls they're also liable to go with whatever the girls say.
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]
Maybe? There's no question, they DID and it was on Youtube.
I dont see how the police "Can't see it that way", when it was pretty obviously the case.
Creation of Child porn = Illegal.
Distribution of Child Porn = Illegal.Yet these girls do both, and nothing happens. A clear example of a corrupt justice system.
gameguy6700
I am just going on what I have been told. They didn't make child porn.
1. They recorded a video of a naked child and posted it online. That's enough to qualify as child porn production and distribution. Just ask all the teens who get labeled as sex offenders for sexting.2. I'm assuming you're asking other kids about the incident. I wouldn't go off what children say, ESPECIALLY if they're friends of the girls. Hell, even if it's an adult, if they're friends with the families of the girls they're also liable to go with whatever the girls say.
If you think the police did wrong, call them and make a complaint.
I didn't ask other kids. I live no where near Ft. Myers and I don't know anyone involved. I wanted to make a complaint and found out otherwise (I dropped a big hint in an earlier post about getting information).
Yes, I am aware of teens getting busted for sexting (and have brought such stuff up in the past myself), but as I said, the police saw something different and I didn't ask why. Maybe you could.
Were the girls hot...? If so - I'd be ok with this happening to myself.
Buttons1990
Probably not if the most action they get is stripping 11 year olds. Still... I wish this had happened to me.
ths kid is honeslty a sissy. Number one how do you not fight them off. In my days when girls want to take your clpthes of fyou let them. his mom did the right thing and told hoim to grow some balls.
good lord, you don't file charges for this kind of ****. You don't really file charges for anything kids do, unless it resulted in some sort of physical harm that requires a trip to the emergency room (and, no...a bloody nose is not an emergency).
Just call the parents of the kids that stripped the boy, and they will get so much crap from their parents for what they did, they will never do it again.
Has the world lost all sense of reason? Are we pressing charges for every little offense now?
My god, my parents would have been millionaires 15 years ago had they known you can sue for such bullcrap.
That mother is an idiot. Does she really think parents of kids who do such a thing are going to dish out a proportional punishment???markop2003
they problably will. or not. if the media didnt blow this out of proportion, everything would have worked out fine, but now "principle" and "example" have infected the situation, resulting in a ticking time bomb of drama. The parents of the girls might not punish them simply out of spite, for more publicity, or something else.
just...move along folks.
What is happening to the world? We are acting like a bunch of weak sissies when it comes to our kids, resulting in weak kids, i.e. the kind of kid that can get beat up by a bunch of girls and stripped by them, an not like it. Sounds like heaven to me :P
For me it's not even about the lawsuit. It'a about the double standards. If the genders had been switched, the state would have pressed charges in a heartbeat.good lord, you don't file charges for this kind of ****. You don't really file charges for anything kids do, unless it resulted in some sort of physical harm that requires a trip to the emergency room (and, no...a bloody nose is not an emergency).
Just call the parents of the kids that stripped the boy, and they will get so much crap from their parents for what they did, they will never do it again.
Has the world lost all sense of reason? Are we pressing charges for every little offense now?
My god, my parents would have been millionaires 15 years ago had they known you can sue for such bullcrap.
mrbojangles25
For me it's not even about the lawsuit. It'a about the double standards. If the genders had been switched, the state would have pressed charges in a heartbeat.[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
good lord, you don't file charges for this kind of ****. You don't really file charges for anything kids do, unless it resulted in some sort of physical harm that requires a trip to the emergency room (and, no...a bloody nose is not an emergency).
Just call the parents of the kids that stripped the boy, and they will get so much crap from their parents for what they did, they will never do it again.
Has the world lost all sense of reason? Are we pressing charges for every little offense now?
My god, my parents would have been millionaires 15 years ago had they known you can sue for such bullcrap.
mrmusicman247
oh I dont know...how old were the girls/would the boys be in the hypothetical?
They might just get a harsh lecture and have to explain themselves. I don't think they'd be charged with sexual assault or anything.
For me it's not even about the lawsuit. It'a about the double standards. If the genders had been switched, the state would have pressed charges in a heartbeat.[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
good lord, you don't file charges for this kind of ****. You don't really file charges for anything kids do, unless it resulted in some sort of physical harm that requires a trip to the emergency room (and, no...a bloody nose is not an emergency).
Just call the parents of the kids that stripped the boy, and they will get so much crap from their parents for what they did, they will never do it again.
Has the world lost all sense of reason? Are we pressing charges for every little offense now?
My god, my parents would have been millionaires 15 years ago had they known you can sue for such bullcrap.
mrmusicman247
did you ever think about the situation. There should never be a situation where little girls can do this to a guy. The double standard exists because guys can easily take advantage of a woman not the other wa aorund.
For me it's not even about the lawsuit. It'a about the double standards. If the genders had been switched, the state would have pressed charges in a heartbeat.[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
good lord, you don't file charges for this kind of ****. You don't really file charges for anything kids do, unless it resulted in some sort of physical harm that requires a trip to the emergency room (and, no...a bloody nose is not an emergency).
Just call the parents of the kids that stripped the boy, and they will get so much crap from their parents for what they did, they will never do it again.
Has the world lost all sense of reason? Are we pressing charges for every little offense now?
My god, my parents would have been millionaires 15 years ago had they known you can sue for such bullcrap.
MoetWitMedusa
did you ever think about the situation. There should never be a situation where little girls can do this to a guy. The double standard exists because guys can easily take advantage of a woman not the other wa aorund.
How can women "easily be taken advantage of?" They may be physically weaker, but they've got just the same amount of leverage in a court of law and just the same amount of freedom to press charges. They still have the full ability to pursue justice. Just because they often choose not to, that doesn't reflect on the gender of the individual, that reflects on the individual themselves.How old were the girls that perpetrated this? If they were his age (11) then I could see that, but the article says that these girls went to school with this guys older brother (maybe he should give them a good old-fashioned ass whoopin') so it seems they are older, but how much older is the question. If they are 17 or older than they can be charged as adults for this.An online video shows a prank some would say went too far.
Three young girls from Dunbar Middle school videotaped themselves tackling an 11 year old boy and taking off his clothes. The group can be heard laughing at times and mocking the boy as he struggled to break free.
"He stopped to chat with his friend and they thought it would be funny," said the boy's mother.
The child who we are not identifying is a 5Th grader at Ray Pottorf Elementary. His mom says she only found out about the video when her older son, who goes to school with the girls, said his friends had seen the video online.
"You take his clothes off in broad daylight, in the middle of a busy neighborhood and then you post it on YouTube to tell all your friends look at what I did. Crime or not, it shouldn't happen," she added.
Fort Myers Police says the girl would have faced misdemeanor battery charges, but that the boy's mother has refused to press charges. She wants the girls' parents to hand out a punishment instead.
The video has since been removed by YouTube.Link
This really makes me angry. Had this been a group of boys stripping an 11 year old girl naked they would have all been charged with a felony sex offense and hit with the full fury of the law. The police wouldn't have let the parent decide whether or not to press charges, they would have just filed them anyway. But because it's a group of girls victimizing a boy it's just an innocent prank "gone too far".
gameguy6700
These girls get no punishment, yet when a girl sends herself naked on a picture phone to some boy (not the internet where EVERYONE sees) he gets child pornography charges. That's fair. Makes sense. Hope for American Society - 1BrozekialThat is quite absurd, especially if he did not solicit it. I guess he can be blamed though for not deleting it.
"you damn well know that this is child prongoray"
Did anyone read the comments on the article? Some of them are pretty funny.
For me it's not even about the lawsuit. It'a about the double standards. If the genders had been switched, the state would have pressed charges in a heartbeat.[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
good lord, you don't file charges for this kind of ****. You don't really file charges for anything kids do, unless it resulted in some sort of physical harm that requires a trip to the emergency room (and, no...a bloody nose is not an emergency).
Just call the parents of the kids that stripped the boy, and they will get so much crap from their parents for what they did, they will never do it again.
Has the world lost all sense of reason? Are we pressing charges for every little offense now?
My god, my parents would have been millionaires 15 years ago had they known you can sue for such bullcrap.
MoetWitMedusa
did you ever think about the situation. There should never be a situation where little girls can do this to a guy. The double standard exists because guys can easily take advantage of a woman not the other wa aorund.
In general, yes men are stronger than women. However in this case the girls who assaulted this boy outnumbered him and were older than him.That is quite absurd, especially if he did not solicit it. I guess he can be blamed though for not deleting it. I was being sarcastic. It's not fair at all. I'm just acknowledging the gender bias on the offense.[QUOTE="Brozekial"]These girls get no punishment, yet when a girl sends herself naked on a picture phone to some boy (not the internet where EVERYONE sees) he gets child pornography charges. That's fair. Makes sense. Hope for American Society - 1whipassmt
[QUOTE="bobaban"]Prison says otherwise. Even after they get out. Regardless this definitely is traumatizing having three girls strip you naked as they laughed and mocked you. Strange, i don't remember most gays being convicted felons.[QUOTE="DavidianMH"] You can't be turned gay you are born gayDroidPhysX
What's hilarious is that you are trying to refute that what he says is true. I know it's only anecdotal evidence so it's shaky at best as I can offer no proof, and you can choose not to believe me if you'd like, but as a restaurant manager who's cook staff is primarily former prisoners/felons I can tell you that the majority of them have admitted to either being involved in homosexual activity or witnessing it while incarcerated.
[QUOTE="EasyStreet"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] oh no..this is when the state should step in..I'm as anti govt as they come....but .the child's best interest is not being represented...this boy will have to go through the rest of his life dealing with this the girls committed a crime....the crime is outside the realm of the mother's control.....where is the line drawn?...do we get to pass on rape and murder charges?...lasseebSadly lots of sexual assaults like this case are never reported or the victim refuses to press charges it is up to the victim to or their guardians in this case to decide if they want to press charges or not. Murder more less has to always be investigated by the police if they find a dead body, since the victim can no longer speak for himself. I bet the victim doesnt get to chosse here because he is 11 years old. The mother also seems to be taking the girls side. But these girls deserve to be sent to juvy for a looong time. The sad thing is, if 3 middle school boys would have tried to take of a elemetary schoolgirls clothes. They would be arrested and get labeled as a sex-offender and a sexual predator. Sexism is really clear in this. The state needs to do something cause the girls parents wont punish them. The police NEEDS to get involved.
+1 on that
[QUOTE="whipassmt"]That is quite absurd, especially if he did not solicit it. I guess he can be blamed though for not deleting it. I was being sarcastic. It's not fair at all. I'm just acknowledging the gender bias on the offense. Oh no, I wasn't calling you're post absurb. I was saying that it's absurd that these girls where not charged while some people get charged with a serious charge merely because some girl sent him a naked photo).[QUOTE="Brozekial"]These girls get no punishment, yet when a girl sends herself naked on a picture phone to some boy (not the internet where EVERYONE sees) he gets child pornography charges. That's fair. Makes sense. Hope for American Society - 1Brozekial
That mother is an idiot. Does she really think parents of kids who do such a thing are going to dish out a proportional punishment???markop2003This is true and that video is just terrible.
good lord, you don't file charges for this kind of ****. You don't really file charges for anything kids do, unless it resulted in some sort of physical harm that requires a trip to the emergency room (and, no...a bloody nose is not an emergency).
Just call the parents of the kids that stripped the boy, and they will get so much crap from their parents for what they did, they will never do it again.
Has the world lost all sense of reason? Are we pressing charges for every little offense now?
My god, my parents would have been millionaires 15 years ago had they known you can sue for such bullcrap.
mrbojangles25
Its not about pressing charges for every offense, the thing is if the roles where reversed and boys stripped a girl naked and posted it on youtube then things wouldnt be okay, they would have a ball and chain the second this would have gotten out.
For me it's not even about the lawsuit. It'a about the double standards. If the genders had been switched, the state would have pressed charges in a heartbeat.[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
good lord, you don't file charges for this kind of ****. You don't really file charges for anything kids do, unless it resulted in some sort of physical harm that requires a trip to the emergency room (and, no...a bloody nose is not an emergency).
Just call the parents of the kids that stripped the boy, and they will get so much crap from their parents for what they did, they will never do it again.
Has the world lost all sense of reason? Are we pressing charges for every little offense now?
My god, my parents would have been millionaires 15 years ago had they known you can sue for such bullcrap.
MoetWitMedusa
did you ever think about the situation. There should never be a situation where little girls can do this to a guy. The double standard exists because guys can easily take advantage of a woman not the other wa aorund.
Your entire post is overflowing with sexism in all the worst ways. Viewing women as helpless people barely able to fend for themselves better than children whereas men are invincible gods in comparison who can force women to submit to their will with little effort. Fun fact: Males can be taken advantage of just as easily as females, and males can be raped/sexually abused just as easily as females (if you have any difficulty understanding why then you're extremely naive and need to stop living such a sheltered life).How on earth did a guy let 3 girls about the same age as him strip him of his clothes. Man up. If that was me I would have either kicked and punched them, or let them strip me then rub up against them in ironic revenge. Come dude, MAN UP!
Plus he had his friends with him. His friends suck ***. Time to get new friends.
How on earth did a guy let 3 girls about the same age as him strip him of his clothes. Man up. If that was me I would have either kicked and punched them, or let them strip me then rub up against them in ironic revenge. Come dude, MAN UP!Diablo-BWell it is 3 on one and he was only 11. Actually girls hit their growth spurts earlier than boys so at 11 a boy probably isn't much stronger than a girl his age, let alone three older ones.
Well it is 3 on one and he was only 11. Actually girls hit their growth spurts earlier than boys so at 11 a boy probably isn't much stronger than a girl his age, let alone three older ones. Actually it was 2 on 1. The 3rd girl was taping. Its would take more then a couple girls to out wrestle me when I was in 5th grade. Back then all us guys did was watch WWF and WCW and play fight.[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]How on earth did a guy let 3 girls about the same age as him strip him of his clothes. Man up. If that was me I would have either kicked and punched them, or let them strip me then rub up against them in ironic revenge. Come dude, MAN UP!whipassmt
How on earth did a guy let 3 girls about the same age as him strip him of his clothes. Man up. If that was me I would have either kicked and punched them, or let them strip me then rub up against them in ironic revenge. Come dude, MAN UP!
Plus he had his friends with him. His friends suck ***. Time to get new friends.
Diablo-B
At 11 is there really much difference in strength and with 3 on 1?
[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]
How on earth did a guy let 3 girls about the same age as him strip him of his clothes. Man up. If that was me I would have either kicked and punched them, or let them strip me then rub up against them in ironic revenge. Come dude, MAN UP!
Plus he had his friends with him. His friends suck ***. Time to get new friends.
AutoPilotOn
At 11 is there really much difference in strength and with 3 on 1?
It was 2 on 1 while the 3rd girl taped it. Plus he was talking with friends. Did they just sit back and watch?Please Log In to post.
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