Give me proof that God is real

Here are some fun facts about the bible.

The bible was written by over 40 different authors, over a 1400 year time span, in different parts of the globe, in three different languages. All of the books of the bible fit togethor perfectly.

All of the authors claim the bible was god breathed

It contained many prophecies many of which were fufilled by jesus some 700years later

There is archelogical evidence that many events ,that skeptics tend to shun, actually happened. Like the the parting of the red sea.

Last time I checked, facts were not established by people on drugs.

We prove things without the boundaries set by our own definitions. Those definitions are there for a reason. If you are going to call those into question, you are not making a reasonable argument.

luke1889

I don't think I'd want to party with you. I'm not talking about facts. I'm talking about the fact that the brain can be deceived into believing a non reality. What don't you understand about that?:|

I think now is a good time to ask the OP if she thinks this thread has answered her question.

Does anyone still remember her question? Or are you all too occupied making fun of each others beliefs?

joao_22990

If she had asked the questions "is there proof?" the answer would have been a simple "no."

But anyway, nought wrong with poking fun at eachothers beliefs. The people here (I hope) take it in good humour, and occasionally even learn something.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] Okay... Ever seen the show most haunted? Theres a guy on it that almost every episode becomes possessed. I am looking at my television seeing what could be either a guy faking being possessed for money OR a guy possessed by a demon. What do I assume?
LJS9502_basic

That still has nothing to do with my argument. You need to understand what I'm arguing to start with. It's not important to me that you accept religious truths. They aren't scientific. Nonetheless, considering the world only exists in our perception to process things...Luke can't prove to me or you that he exists. Do we believe he exists....absolutely. But that is because we've convinced ourselves that his posts come from another human. We've never seen him. We can't even prove we won't wake up in a minute and have dreamed this entire conversation. Perception....is not scientific proof. It's how we operate in this world nonetheless.

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

Last time I checked, facts were not established by people on drugs.

We prove things without the boundaries set by our own definitions. Those definitions are there for a reason. If you are going to call those into question, you are not making a reasonable argument.

LJS9502_basic

I don't think I'd want to party with you. I'm not talking about facts. I'm talking about the fact that the brain can be deceived into believing a non reality. What don't you understand about that?:|

I disagree; I think you'd find me most pleasant company. You could stay the night if you wanted.

And I fully understand your point, but the deception is based on a standard. Without a basic standard by which we can infer non-deception, would could not even gauge deception. So, when the brain functions at what is considered to be this non-deceived standard, we can safely say that any perceptions -- as agreed upon and verified by many others if need be, who are also functioning at the same non-deceived standard -- are perfectly acceptable.

What do you not understand about this?

It had everything do to with your argument. I see religion as being a negative influence on society and a detriment to the progression of science. No progression can come from convincing ourselves that we are dreaming just because we cant prove we are not! I choose to believe with faith that I exist and am not dreaming because I have no reason to belive I am dreaming. And I am not dreaming seems to be the most logical explanation for life. This is where religious people and atheists differ. I choose the logical explanation and they choose the frankly insane explanation. swizz-the-gamer

No it doesn't. You are arguing religion where I am not.:|

You really didn't understand the argument at all. Philosophy seems to be something you are not familiar with. Actually, logically you can't prove existence. That is true...that was my point.;)

[QUOTE="resistance93"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="resistance93"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

What an original thread......Prove you exist.;)

luke1889

I am sorry. I do not understand this in the slightest. What kind of zany rebuttal is this? Our own existence is evidence of our own existence. :|

I cannot fathom your thinking behind this.

There is no proof you exist. I could be imaging life in my own mind. The brain is a powerful organ. When we dream...they seem real. Perhaps life is one continuos dream. There is no proof you exist. Sorry.

How about you reason with actual facts and proofs and not with some bizarre, almost riddle-like speculation?

I just found proof that luke doesn't have a sense of humor

I...umm...what? :|

You don't have a sense of humor - I'm pretty sure he was joking when he said to prove that you exist.

His subsequent posts seem to suggest otherwise.

Maybe his posts don't even exist. It might all be in ur head. Maybe this is all a dream

Here are some fun facts about the bible.

The bible was written by over 40 different authors, over a 1400 year time span, in different parts of the globe, in three different languages. All of the books of the bible fit togethor perfectly.

All of the authors claim the bible was god breathed

It contained many prophecies many of which were fufilled by jesus some 700years later

There is archelogical evidence that many events ,that skeptics tend to shun, actually happened. Like the the parting of the red sea.

sheeprcute

They don't fit together quite perfectly... And who is to say someone didn't edit these stories so they do fit together?

And parting of the red sea? You got to be kidding me.. I guess there is proof for turning water in to wine too?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] It had everything do to with your argument. I see religion as being a negative influence on society and a detriment to the progression of science. No progression can come from convincing ourselves that we are dreaming just because we cant prove we are not! I choose to believe with faith that I exist and am not dreaming because I have no reason to belive I am dreaming. And I am not dreaming seems to be the most logical explanation for life. This is where religious people and atheists differ. I choose the logical explanation and they choose the frankly insane explanation. LJS9502_basic

No it doesn't. You are arguing religion where I am not.:|

You really didn't understand the argument at all. Philosophy seems to be something you are not familiar with. Actually, logically you can't prove existence. That is true...that was my point.;)

I disagree; I think you'd find me most pleasant company. You could stay the night if you wanted.

And I fully understand your point, but the deception is based on a standard. Without a basic standard by which we can infer non-deception, would could not even gauge deception. So, when the brain functions at what is considered to be this non-deceived standard, we can safely say that any perceptions -- as agreed upon and verified by many others if need be, who are also functioning at the same non-deceived standard -- are perfectly acceptable.

What do you not understand about this.

luke1889

You're too serious.

But....everything we think we know is only are perception. That includes science.
As far as humans understand the universe it is correct. But we can only understand the universe as humans.

Actually......saying you exist because others verify it only means I've perceived a set of people that say that. It's not that I don't believe you exist. Only that you can't PROVE it. See the difference?

Here are some fun facts about the bible.

The bible was written by over 40 different authors, over a 1400 year time span, in different parts of the globe, in three different languages. All of the books of the bible fit togethor perfectly.

All of the authors claim the bible was god breathed

It contained many prophecies many of which were fufilled by jesus some 700years later

There is archelogical evidence that many events ,that skeptics tend to shun, actually happened. Like the the parting of the red sea.

sheeprcute

250+ posts already?

That's it, I'm making a religion thread tomorrow. I want a huge thread too.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] So how many people have to say something for it to be true? Please explain your logic.
swizz-the-gamer

but anyway, I am trying to prove a historical event. multiple, independent attestation of an event is strong evidence for an event.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]there is multiple indepedent attestation of these events as in corroborating testimonies. luke1889

Let me ask you this...if there was all the written accounts of the Egyptian empire -- for argument's sake -- but no physical evidence -- such as the Pyramids or mummies or anything -- would you believe it actually happened?

the disciples were not because in judaism there was no concept of a dying messiah. had Jesus not risen from the dead, that SHOULD have been the end of christianity

also the hallucination does not explain the empty tomb

Maybe his posts don't even exist. It might all be in ur head. Maybe this is all a dream resistance93

Well, I cannot disprove your claim, so I guess you are right. Gee, this sure is plain sailing for you, sonny. :)

250+ posts already?

That's it, I'm making a religion thread tomorrow. I want a huge thread too.

SSCyborg

Yeah...don't do that

[QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Here are some fun facts about the bible.

The bible was written by over 40 different authors, over a 1400 year time span, in different parts of the globe, in three different languages. All of the books of the bible fit togethor perfectly.

All of the authors claim the bible was god breathed

It contained many prophecies many of which were fufilled by jesus some 700years later

There is archelogical evidence that many events ,that skeptics tend to shun, actually happened. Like the the parting of the red sea.

swizz-the-gamer

Yea bro there's footsteps at the bottom, go take a look!

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

The only evidence that God exists is our existence here today and the bible.

Yes you are arguing something completely obscure and trying to apply that to the original debate.
swizz-the-gamer

No the OP asked for proof....as did I. Albeit of two different things......but if one wants proof of existence then they should be able to provide it for themself. Logic dictates that it be so.

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

sheeprcute

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

sheeprcute

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Here are some fun facts about the bible.

The bible was written by over 40 different authors, over a 1400 year time span, in different parts of the globe, in three different languages. All of the books of the bible fit togethor perfectly.

All of the authors claim the bible was god breathed

It contained many prophecies many of which were fufilled by jesus some 700years later

There is archelogical evidence that many events ,that skeptics tend to shun, actually happened. Like the the parting of the red sea.

MindFreeze

Yea bro there's footsteps at the bottom, go take a look!

I'm talking about egyptian (not christian) royal records for the king that specifically uses the word the part with the phrase reed sea and talks about the jews leaving egypt

The symbol is two knives and some wavy lines

[QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

swizz-the-gamer

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

[QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

swizz-the-gamer

That, plus, holy **** you're misinformed.

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

I disagree; I think you'd find me most pleasant company. You could stay the night if you wanted.

And I fully understand your point, but the deception is based on a standard. Without a basic standard by which we can infer non-deception, would could not even gauge deception. So, when the brain functions at what is considered to be this non-deceived standard, we can safely say that any perceptions -- as agreed upon and verified by many others if need be, who are also functioning at the same non-deceived standard -- are perfectly acceptable.

What do you not understand about this.

LJS9502_basic

You're too serious.

But....everything we think we know is only are perception. That includes science.
As far as humans understand the universe it is correct. But we can only understand the universe as humans.

Actually......saying you exist because others verify it only means I've perceived a set of people that say that. It's not that I don't believe you exist. Only that you can't PROVE it. See the difference?

I'm too...serious? Pfft, I think you'll find that I'm only like this in a debate. I'm much different is person, although I can be as particular on occasion.

The bolded portion above is a biased viewpoint which is skewing your opinion. You assume God exists in the first place; that is not being objective or impartial.

And yes, I see the difference. I saw the difference the first time you mentioned it. However, the point I am making is that if we should not base our understandings on our own perception (coincidently, the ONLY way to base our understandings), we would be lost. We couldn't base anything on anything.

You are being far too picky, splitting hairs where they need not be split. You are doing it to be awkward. Nothing more. And my assertion is not based purely upon other people's verification' I have my initial hypothesis, remember?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Yes you are arguing something completely obscure and trying to apply that to the original debate.
LJS9502_basic

No the OP asked for proof....as did I. Albeit of two different things......but if one wants proof of existence then they should be able to provide it for themself. Logic dictates that it be so.

Btw i'm not a team of hamsters incase you decided to apply your logic to something other than god.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

sheeprcute

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

So life and the universe are very complicated and us little humans can't completely understand it, therefore god must have designed it? ***** brilliant arguement.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

sheeprcute

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

MindFreeze

That, plus, holy **** you're misinformed.

Am i really the one that is misinformed.Why dont you try to respond with facts or logic instead of rejecting my explanation without any reason.

Oh jeez. Not another one of these. Ok, just to clear a few things up...

...it is physically impossible to prove something supernatural DOESN'T exist. It just cannot be done. Ever. How do you prove a god doesn't exist? By NOT finding it? Can you not see that that makes ZERO sense?

Seriously, I wish the theists would stop plugging this ridiculous line; it's a logical fallacy that needs to be laid to rest. It is simply NOT a valid rebuttal.

Please, please, please...if one thing is to change around here, when someone asks you to prove your religion, stop just shifting the burden of proof like that. That is NOT how proving something works. You have to prove the positive assertion, not disprove its negative counterpart.

WHY DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

Not being able to prove something doesn't exist is not evidence that it does exist, not in the absolute slightest for the reason given above. If you want to play that plainly ridiculous game, then why don't you theists disprove Krishna, or Zeus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Oh wait, you can't. So why don't you believe in them as well, huh?

And the end of the day, NO religion can EVER be said to be "the truth" on this very simple basis. They are all POSSIBILITIES at the very best and, no matter which one you have chosen -- or been told to choose -- they are all just as likely AND unlikely as each other. No matter how much you believe; no matter how much "faith" you have.

That's right...Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam and all the rest...they're all on the same footing so far as credibility is concerned. Like it or lump it, that the cold, harsh reality of the situation.

luke1889

If I could draw your attention back to this post I made, would you mind commenting on it please? It has received too little attention thus far.

[QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

swizz-the-gamer

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

How can evolution be proved when there are things that contradict it?

I'm too...serious? Pfft, I think you'll find that I'm only like this in a debate. I'm much different is person, although I can be as particular on occasion.

The bolded portion above is a biased viewpoint which is skewing your opinion. You assume God exists in the first place; that is not being objective or impartial.

And yes, I see the difference. I saw the difference the first time you mentioned it. However, the point I am making is that if we should not base our understandings on our own perception (coincidently, the ONLY way to base our understandings), we would be lost. We couldn't base anything on anything.

You are being far too picky, splitting hairs where they need not be split. You are doing it to be awkward. Nothing more. And my assertion is not based purely upon other people's verification' I have my initial hypothesis, remember?

luke1889

The problem with your answer is that I'm not arguing about God here. Only human perception...and what you bolded is absolutely correct.

See...you're still arguing a different subject than I am. Let's take this one step at a time....can you actually prove to me that you exist....keeping in mind that whatever you present as proof can be understood as a "dream/idea existing soley in my brain? The answer to that is no. I can only perceive of you as my brain allows.

Just FYI...someone that likes intellectual pursuits and testing the brain doesn't consider a discussion on philosophy as awkward...but rather an exercise.

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

Oh jeez. Not another one of these. Ok, just to clear a few things up...

...it is physically impossible to prove something supernatural DOESN'T exist. It just cannot be done. Ever. How do you prove a god doesn't exist? By NOT finding it? Can you not see that that makes ZERO sense?

Seriously, I wish the theists would stop plugging this ridiculous line; it's a logical fallacy that needs to be laid to rest. It is simply NOT a valid rebuttal.

Please, please, please...if one thing is to change around here, when someone asks you to prove your religion, stop just shifting the burden of proof like that. That is NOT how proving something works. You have to prove the positive assertion, not disprove its negative counterpart.

WHY DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

Not being able to prove something doesn't exist is not evidence that it does exist, not in the absolute slightest for the reason given above. If you want to play that plainly ridiculous game, then why don't you theists disprove Krishna, or Zeus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Oh wait, you can't. So why don't you believe in them as well, huh?

And the end of the day, NO religion can EVER be said to be "the truth" on this very simple basis. They are all POSSIBILITIES at the very best and, no matter which one you have chosen -- or been told to choose -- they are all just as likely AND unlikely as each other. No matter how much you believe; no matter how much "faith" you have.

That's right...Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam and all the rest...they're all on the same footing so far as credibility is concerned. Like it or lump it, that the cold, harsh reality of the situation.

luke1889

If I could draw your attention back to this post I made, would you mind commenting on it please? It has received too little attention thus far.

1.You are boring

2. God is real because we cant prove him not to be.

3. Because we cant proof ourselves to exist we shouldn't debate religion.

4. Ignorance and superstition are better than logic and reason

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

sheeprcute

That, plus, holy **** you're misinformed.

Am i really the one that is misinformed.Why dont you try to respond with facts or logic instead of rejecting my explanation without any reason.

second, you say that there is evidence that contradicts the earth being millions of years old. However, to my knowledge, there is none. care to produce this evidence?

third, you say there is evidence against evolution. would you care to produce this evidence?

fourth you justify the idea that God exists solely on the fact that the concept of God cannot be disproved. this is a fallacy known as an argument from ignorance.

Okay. I am not a human I am a team of hamsters typing this message. You have no evidence to believe me, nor any evidence that i'm not telling the truth. You could say that to so many millions of things. But the big difference is that nobody cares if i'm a team of hamsters. Religion has cost so many life's, has halted science countless times.etc.

Btw i'm not a team of hamsters incase you decided to apply your logic to something other than god.

swizz-the-gamer

Again...you misunderstand. Perhaps I'm dreaming this message. Can you prove otherwise. OT is definitely not the place to have interesting philosophical discussions that's for sure.:lol:

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

sheeprcute

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

How can evolution be proved when there are things that contradict it?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

sheeprcute

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

How can evolution be proved when there are things that contradict it?

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

sheeprcute

That, plus, holy **** you're misinformed.

Am i really the one that is misinformed.Why dont you try to respond with facts or logic instead of rejecting my explanation without any reason.

You're not doing a very good job in turn with your original claims. "How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it." You're already showing to be very stubborn and most of all, not giving anything to back it up.

"ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it."

This arguement is insanely weak. The same could be said of fairies or any mythical creature, etc. Do I really need to explain that further to you?

"How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck." Just because it doesn't make sense to YOU, doesn't make it not true.:| I can't believe I have to point this out to you.

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Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

swizz-the-gamer

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

How can evolution be proved when there are things that contradict it?

*cough* argument from personal incredulity*cough*

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Okay. I am not a human I am a team of hamsters typing this message. You have no evidence to believe me, nor any evidence that i'm not telling the truth. You could say that to so many millions of things. But the big difference is that nobody cares if i'm a team of hamsters. Religion has cost so many life's, has halted science countless times.etc.

Btw i'm not a team of hamsters incase you decided to apply your logic to something other than god.

LJS9502_basic

Again...you misunderstand. Perhaps I'm dreaming this message. Can you prove otherwise. OT is definitely not the place to have interesting philosophical discussions that's for sure.:lol:

You have just said over and over prove you are real. How is that interesting philosophical discussion?
swizz-the-gamer

It's philosophy dude.....:|

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

notconspiracy

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

How can evolution be proved when there are things that contradict it?

*cough* argument from personal incredulity*cough*

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="sheeprcute"]

Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

swizz-the-gamer

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

How can evolution be proved when there are things that contradict it?

*cough* argument from personal incredulity*cough*

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] You have just said over and over prove you are real. How is that interesting philosophical discussion?
LJS9502_basic

It's philosophy dude.....:|

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

Oh jeez. Not another one of these. Ok, just to clear a few things up...

...it is physically impossible to prove something supernatural DOESN'T exist. It just cannot be done. Ever. How do you prove a god doesn't exist? By NOT finding it? Can you not see that that makes ZERO sense?

Seriously, I wish the theists would stop plugging this ridiculous line; it's a logical fallacy that needs to be laid to rest. It is simply NOT a valid rebuttal.

Please, please, please...if one thing is to change around here, when someone asks you to prove your religion, stop just shifting the burden of proof like that. That is NOT how proving something works. You have to prove the positive assertion, not disprove its negative counterpart.

WHY DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

Not being able to prove something doesn't exist is not evidence that it does exist, not in the absolute slightest for the reason given above. If you want to play that plainly ridiculous game, then why don't you theists disprove Krishna, or Zeus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Oh wait, you can't. So why don't you believe in them as well, huh?

And the end of the day, NO religion can EVER be said to be "the truth" on this very simple basis. They are all POSSIBILITIES at the very best and, no matter which one you have chosen -- or been told to choose -- they are all just as likely AND unlikely as each other. No matter how much you believe; no matter how much "faith" you have.

That's right...Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam and all the rest...they're all on the same footing so far as credibility is concerned. Like it or lump it, that the cold, harsh reality of the situation.

luke1889

If I could draw your attention back to this post I made, would you mind commenting on it please? It has received too little attention thus far.

Did you read my post about facts about the bible.

The bible is different than other religions because unlike islam it is not written by one man.

The greek myths are not based on anything at all just someones imagination.

We also know the bible is true because of all the old testament prophecies it has fufilled. Religions like Judiasm seem to ignore that and only study the torah: Genesis Exodus Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy

Other religions like hinduism and such are based on the teachings of a man where Judiasm and Christianity differ.

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Have you ever seen your brain?

No, of course you haven't.

If there is no proof that you as a human have a brain. However we still believe you have a brain.

We can deduce that you have a brain because we van see the effects of your brain working in this world.

Have you ever seen God?

No however you can infer there is a God by the effects he has on this world.

How the hell does it make sense in any way at all that all of this around you exploded from a swirling speck.

How the hell am I supposed to accept that the earth is millions of years old when there is evidence that contradicts it.

There is evidence that contradicts evolution. Therefore it cannot be proven

ON the other hand where is the evidence to support there is a God?

There is none but there isnt any evidence that disproves it.

notconspiracy

Let me rephrase that

The world that you live in today. The stars in the sky. Humanity as we know it.

How can evolution be proved when there are things that contradict it?

*cough* argument from personal incredulity*cough*

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] You have just said over and over prove you are real. How is that interesting philosophical discussion?
LJS9502_basic

It's philosophy dude.....:|

Doesn't make it interesting, you just kept repeating the same poop.:P

1.You are boring

2. God is real because we cant prove him not to be.

3. Because we cant proof ourselves to exist we shouldn't debate religion.

4. Ignorance and superstition are better than logic and reason

swizz-the-gamer

1. you are insulting

2. That means anything can be "real", in your test. Surely, we live in a social context where we can define reality from fantasy.

3. Suppose debate leads to proof, like it does in the scientific method?

4. This is what you wrote: Ignorance and superstition are better than logic and reason. Do you desire to be ignorant? Can you support that argument? It seems like an odd statement.