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[QUOTE="mattyftm"][QUOTE="jer_1"]

Whats wrong with that, for Americans at least, is that is in violation of the constitution and specifically the bill of rights. I guess since you have basically resigned your "constitution" then i guess its fine and dandy for your authorities to walk all over you in the UK. However, America is vastly different in intent. We arent INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY here not the opposite...

jer_1

I'm not saying you treat them as guilty before you have proved it, you treat them as suspects, and track them to find proof of guilt, or innocence. There is a huge diference between suspecting someone and calling them guilty.

What is this, double speak day? Treating them as suspects is basically one in the same as considering them guilty before providing any proof. If you truly think its better off to watch and monitor every move people make every day then I guess you are gonna be a great addition to the structure of a one world government. I tend to say THINK FOR YOURSELF, dont let your fears of "terrorist" implanted by the BBC or Reuters dominate the way you think. Your rights to freedom are FAR more important than a bit of TEMPORARY safety...

I don't have fears of terrorists, because I am confident the police are on top of it through tracking people. Here in the UK we had a load of people arrested (and just recently convicted) of ploting to blow up a load of planes flying accross the atlantic. They found them by tracking them. If they hadn't have done that there would have been a huge dissaster and everyone would be crying "why didn't the police/government do more to stop this sort of thing".

I don't see how tracked someone impares your right to freedom. You are not being stopped from going places, or saying things - you still have freedom, you are just being watched exercising your freedom.

Mattyftm

1 Im glad you saw the Facts guy fined for his bin lid not closed .. £1000

2 YOU were making it sound like the UK is a safe haven an like the US film industry portray it as all friendly coppers on street corners an everyone safe in their homes an crumpets for tea ..lol

UK life is like a Mad Max an 28 days later .. an you know it .., I suspect your mum doesnt let you out the house after 9pm so you wouldnt know ,lol

3 So you agree too all the cctv ?... more fool you ..lol

regarding my NO UK Free Speach post .....More facts you will try to slight .......Its a Fact ask your Parents ,lol

Mattyftm

Those Muslim terrorists were not caught on CCTV perchance by accident as you imply above ... the spooks/mi5 had been following them for months , on intel not high st cctv ... lol

[QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="mattyftm"][QUOTE="jer_1"]

Whats wrong with that, for Americans at least, is that is in violation of the constitution and specifically the bill of rights. I guess since you have basically resigned your "constitution" then i guess its fine and dandy for your authorities to walk all over you in the UK. However, America is vastly different in intent. We arent INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY here not the opposite...

mattyftm

I'm not saying you treat them as guilty before you have proved it, you treat them as suspects, and track them to find proof of guilt, or innocence. There is a huge diference between suspecting someone and calling them guilty.

What is this, double speak day? Treating them as suspects is basically one in the same as considering them guilty before providing any proof. If you truly think its better off to watch and monitor every move people make every day then I guess you are gonna be a great addition to the structure of a one world government. I tend to say THINK FOR YOURSELF, dont let your fears of "terrorist" implanted by the BBC or Reuters dominate the way you think. Your rights to freedom are FAR more important than a bit of TEMPORARY safety...

I don't have fears of terrorists, because I am confident the police are on top of it through tracking people. Here in the UK we had a load of people arrested (and just recently convicted) of ploting to blow up a load of planes flying accross the atlantic. They found them by tracking them. If they hadn't have done that there would have been a huge dissaster and everyone would be crying "why didn't the police/government do more to stop this sort of thing".

I don't see how tracked someone impares your right to freedom. You are not being stopped from going places, or saying things - you still have freedom, you are just being watched exercising your freedom.

I guarantee if you follow through on every single one of those people that were arrested for a "plot to blow up loads of planes" were soon after released without charges. This is an activity done to ramp up fear in the people of the nation. The media has already had a blowout of "terrorist activity" with the intent of printing it in the newspaper and showing it on your new channels. Soon after they will release a blurb in a paper near the back that will notify you that they screwed up and the "terrorist" is released. By then the damage is done. This is mind control of the more base forms. I would amost guarantee you are well brainwashed and do not even realize it...

I guarantee if you follow through on every single one of those people that were arrested for a "plot to blow up loads of planes" were soon after released without charges. This is an activity done to ramp up fear in the people of the nation. The media has already had a blowout of "terrorist activity" with the intent of printing it in the newspaper and showing it on your new channels. Soon after they will release a blurb in a paper near the back that will notify you that they screwed up and the "terrorist" is released. By then the damage is done. This is mind control of the more base forms. I would amost guarantee you are well brainwashed and do not even realize it...

jer_1

8 of them were recently convicted (just a couple of weeks ago, if that). I agree, alot of modern journalism relies on scare tactics to try and make sales, but I can tell the diference between a scare story and a genuine one and this was a genuine one. There was a big security increase at all airports and people were stopped from taking liquids on planes (that was how the explosives were going to be carried on), and as I said, 8 people were convicted.

EDIT: And if I was brainwashed, why am I the only one arguing this? Why am I the only person who can see this? If it was brainwashing then surely more people would agree, because more people would be brainwashed too?

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

I guarantee if you follow through on every single one of those people that were arrested for a "plot to blow up loads of planes" were soon after released without charges. This is an activity done to ramp up fear in the people of the nation. The media has already had a blowout of "terrorist activity" with the intent of printing it in the newspaper and showing it on your new channels. Soon after they will release a blurb in a paper near the back that will notify you that they screwed up and the "terrorist" is released. By then the damage is done. This is mind control of the more base forms. I would amost guarantee you are well brainwashed and do not even realize it...

mattyftm

8 of them were recently convicted (just a couple of weeks ago, if that). I agree, alot of modern journalism relies on scare tactics to try and make sales, but I can tell the diference between a scare story and a genuine one and this was a genuine one. There was a big security increase at all airports and people were stopped from taking liquids on planes (that was how the explosives were going to be carried on), and as I said, 8 people were convicted.

EDIT: And if I was brainwashed, why am I the only one arguing this? Why am I the only person who can see this? If it was brainwashing then surely more people would agree, because it would have happened to them too?

I am glad to hear that they actually did right by this, though I would still never trust a govt. that does this to a society. I'm also sad to hear that you feel safer because of a more militaristic and aggressive leadership.

Well this would be a rare case I would say. Not that I doubt, but do you have a link to any information on that? I have yet to hear of this incident even...

I am glad to hear that they actually did right by this, though I would still never trust a govt. that does this to a society. I'm also sad to hear that you feel safer because of a more militaristic and aggressive leadership.

Well this would be a rare case I would say. Not that I doubt, but do you have a link to any information on that? I have yet to hear of this incident even...

jer_1

I trust the government in doing this "militaristic and aggressive leadership" (although I wouldn't call it that) because at the end of the day, it protects me, and I still fail to see how it infringes on anyones rights to freedom.

As for the case, I can't seem to find any of the origional reports, but here's a more recent one about the trial (which also backs up my origional argument about CCTV :)) http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/04/17/liquid-bomb-plot-trial-jury-shown-terrorist-shopping-trip-captured-on-cctv-89520-20385632/

[QUOTE="Jonny_Grey"]

Mattftm

1 It was a £1000 which Daily Mirror do you get ? ,lol

2 The Newlove murder of an innocent guy was a nice area ... so chavs only hang in *certain* areas , ok ..btw dont people who live in *certain* areas deserve to be safe then ?? ? hope you never end up living in *certain* areas as you snobishly call them .. ,lol

3 Whats wrong with CTTV ...lol

wake up they dont STOP Crime its to Police the Public an Roads /fines etc .. lol

mattyftm

1. The daily mirror exadurates everything, I saw it on the local BBC news.

2. I was agreeing with you that this happens. I agree people in these area's deserve to be safe. I agree - I was simply saying that it is just as bad (or worse) in other countries. you were making it sound like it only happens in the UK

3. See my other comments for my thoughts on this.

Jeez, why do I feel like its me against the rest of the world in this thread.

Its just like ID cards. If you've got nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about.

You do know the Daily Mail supported Hitler back in WW2.

Mattyftm

I let you off cause I thought you had gone to bed an been spanked online .. so much ...;)

I see you still up ... posting more DIS information on different contexts , ...lol

I hate your father as Thatcher ....eh mattyftm =Euan Blair ..lol

Mattyftm

I let you off cause I thought you had gone to bed an been spanked online .. so much ...;)

I see you still up ... posting more DIS information on different contexts , ...lol

I hate your father as Thatcher ....eh mattyftm =Euan Blair ..lol

Jonny_Grey

errrmmm... am I the only one that didn't understand a word of that? I almost understood the first 2 lines, but "I hate your father as thatcher" - WTF????

EDIT: Ok, I've just re-read it and I understand it now. I would say "how is tony blair anywhere near as bad as Thatcher?", but I suspect another argument would arise, and I think We've both had enough of those for today. Lets just agree to dissagree and live to fight another day :)

I Total SUPPORT THE US GUYS HERE on this cctv thing...:) :)

In the UK Bliar has errodded our Medieval laws an Regulations we had all because he wanted a Police state ,He got it ...:( :(

We are not allowed Free speach in the UK unless the govt allow it , FACT !!!

If you want to protest in London wether its *anti bin taxes by your local council* ,

you need to submit a planning order which can take 6 months to approve ..6 MONTHS !!!!

Or youre classed as a terrorist an can be shot dead ....

If you go an stand in front of parliment an shout* WE HATE BIN TAXES * ...even one of you try an .... BANG ,,, he were a terrorist the Govt would scream ...SHAMEFUL UK

Jonny_Grey

Seriously... WTF?

I can barely understand what you are trying to say. How can you criticise England when you can barely speak English?

Also, you are exaggerating like your life depends on it. You will not get shot for protesting taxes, what a load of nonsense. :|

Do you even live in the UK? Or in your own little dream world?