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#1 SinfulPotato

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Whats with all this global warming garbage? Save the polar bears! The sea level rose a milimeter!

Wasn't the earth once a tropical planet? Why does no one point out that this is just a shift back into that, slowly out of the last ice age? Wasn't most of what is North America covered in water?

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#2 xTheExploited

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In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.

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#3 SinfulPotato

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In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.xTheExploited

People talk like we can do something about it. If this is just part of the earths natural life why on earth would we be going about it like we currently are.

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global warming is a natural occurance we cant change it.

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In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.xTheExploited

Uh... are you implying residents of coastal cities will drown as a direct result of a spontaneous rise in sea levels?

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#6 jasperrussell

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Whats with all this global warming garbage? Save the polar bears! The sea level rose a milimeter!
Wasn't the earth once a tropical planet? Why does no one point out that this is just a shift back into that, slowly out of the last ice age? Wasn't most of what is North America covered in water?
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So lets see, first you tell us it's garbage and then you ask us what the facts are. hey I just read your sig. no more convincing from me.

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#7 xTheExploited

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We don't know. There are many factors that give reason for it and there are also some that give reason against it. And if it isn't the earth's natural cycle and we do nothing than we are screwed. Better safe than sorry.

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#8 thepwninator

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In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.xTheExploited

Do you honestly believe that millions will die because the ocean might rise one foot over the course of 100 years? :?

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#9 jasperrussell

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.SinfulPotato

People talk like we can do something about it. If this is just part of the earths natural life why on earth would we be going about it like we currently are.

it's not natural - the only people spouting that are oil company stooges, because they've now realised they can't convince people it doesn't exist, like they used to.

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#10 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.Oleg_Huzwog

Uh... are you implying residents of coastal cities will drown as a direct result of a spontaneous rise in sea levels?

No but it causes more and more flooding and people die during these floods. If it continues than people will have to move away from cities and further mainland, but there will still be people in the flood zone where they could die. Look at LEDCs, thousands of people die each year of flooding if nothing is done than it will only get worse.

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#11 _glatisant_

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If we put gases into the atmosphere that absorb infra-red radiation reflected by the Earth, it seems logical that, as we now have more radiation going in compared to that going out, the temperature of the global climate will increase.

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#12 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="SinfulPotato"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.jasperrussell

People talk like we can do something about it. If this is just part of the earths natural life why on earth would we be going about it like we currently are.

it's not natural - the only people spouting that are oil company stooges, because they've now realised they can't convince people it doesn't exist, like they used to.

And why can't they? The earth has slightly cooled over the past decade, and we've seen the largest year-to-year drop in quite some time this year in reference to last year as well.

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#13 jasperrussell

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.thepwninator

Do you honestly believe that millions will die because the ocean will rise one foot over the course of 100 years? :?

oceans rising is a very small part of it. warmer oceans cause faster winds, which cause stronger cyclones. ....must......leave.......this.....thread........ arghhhhhh!!!

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#14 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.thepwninator

Do you honestly believe that millions will die because the ocean will rise one foot over the course of 100 years? :?

The sea level rising does not cause people to die. Its the flood zone moves further mainland to cities so when there are strong rain seasons floods occur more frequently and more powerfully.

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If you hadn't realised Global Warming was re-branded Climate Change.

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#16 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="jasperrussell"][QUOTE="SinfulPotato"] People talk like we can do something about it. If this is just part of the earths natural life why on earth would we be going about it like we currently are.

it's not natural - the only people spouting that are oil company stooges, because they've now realised they can't convince people it doesn't exist, like they used to.

And why can't they? The earth has slightly cooled over the past decade, and we've seen the largest year-to-year drop in quite some time this year in reference to last year as well.

Global Warming is slowing down because only in the last decade have we actually done things to try and combat it. When did you first hear of global warming, within the last 10 years. Hardly anyone cared about it before the last 10 years and now everyone knows of it.

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#17 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]In case you hadn't noticed, we have cities now. Where millions of people live, and if flooding occurs, people will die. Please think a little more before you refer to the past. In case you hadn't noticed the past is... the past.jasperrussell

Do you honestly believe that millions will die because the ocean will rise one foot over the course of 100 years? :?

oceans rising is a very small part of it. warmer oceans cause faster winds, which cause stronger cyclones. ....must......leave.......this.....thread........ arghhhhhh!!!

There has been no viable research that even implies that warmer oceans cause faster winds, which cause stronger cyclones. As a matter of fact, it's believed that the faster upper-level winds caused by warmer oceans actually work to damage rather than aid cyclones. Also of note: where've these stronger cyclones been in every year of the last decade except 2005? We've had average or below average hurricane seasons every year but 2005 in the past ten years, in case you haven't noticed :?

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#18 Jealous_Vacuum

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I bet that by the time sea levels rise that high people will be living under water. Kind of like that Jonas brothers song. But not bioshocky. There will be bullet proof glass for windows. Submarines will be sea tanks and there will also be sea infantry.

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Global warming is striking two days before the day after tomorrow. ZOMG.

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#20 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="jasperrussell"] it's not natural - the only people spouting that are oil company stooges, because they've now realised they can't convince people it doesn't exist, like they used to.

And why can't they? The earth has slightly cooled over the past decade, and we've seen the largest year-to-year drop in quite some time this year in reference to last year as well.

Global Warming is slowing down because only in the last decade have we actually done things to try and combat it. When did you first hear of global warming, within the last 10 years. Hardly anyone cared about it before the last 10 years and now everyone knows of it.

The things we've been doing to combat it, if we are to go by the theories of the global warming-supporting scientists, would've barely slowed the warming in about a decade, rather than cause cooling immediately, which is what has occurred.

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#21 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="jasperrussell"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Do you honestly believe that millions will die because the ocean will rise one foot over the course of 100 years? :?

oceans rising is a very small part of it. warmer oceans cause faster winds, which cause stronger cyclones. ....must......leave.......this.....thread........ arghhhhhh!!!

There has been no viable research that even implies that warmer oceans cause faster winds, which cause stronger cyclones. As a matter of fact, it's believed that the faster upper-level winds caused by warmer oceans actually work to damage rather than aid cyclones. Also of note: where've these stronger cyclones been in every year of the last decade except 2005? We've had average or below average hurricane seasons every year but 2005 in the past ten years, in case you haven't noticed :?

Hurricanes have been occuring more and more frequently. And the reason they arn't as devastating is because countries are beginning to work harder and harder to become less vulnerable to hurricanes. You know why they are doing this? Because hurricanes are becoming more frequent because of increased temperatures in the oceans.

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#22 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="jasperrussell"] oceans rising is a very small part of it. warmer oceans cause faster winds, which cause stronger cyclones. ....must......leave.......this.....thread........ arghhhhhh!!!

There has been no viable research that even implies that warmer oceans cause faster winds, which cause stronger cyclones. As a matter of fact, it's believed that the faster upper-level winds caused by warmer oceans actually work to damage rather than aid cyclones. Also of note: where've these stronger cyclones been in every year of the last decade except 2005? We've had average or below average hurricane seasons every year but 2005 in the past ten years, in case you haven't noticed :?

Hurricanes have been occuring more and more frequently. And the reason they arn't as devastating is because countries are beginning to work harder and harder to become less vulnerable to hurricanes. You know why they are doing this? Because hurricanes are becoming more frequent because of increased temperatures in the oceans.

Hurricanes are becoming more frequent? Really? If I remember correctly, this is the case: This year was below average. Last year was way below average. 2006 was average. 2005 was way above average. 2004 was below average. 2003 was below average. 2002 was average. 2001 was average. 2000 was below average. See a trend? I do. And it's not one that indicates increased hurricane activity :?

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#23 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] And why can't they? The earth has slightly cooled over the past decade, and we've seen the largest year-to-year drop in quite some time this year in reference to last year as well.

Global Warming is slowing down because only in the last decade have we actually done things to try and combat it. When did you first hear of global warming, within the last 10 years. Hardly anyone cared about it before the last 10 years and now everyone knows of it.

The things we've been doing to combat it, if we are to go by the theories of the global warming-supporting scientists, would've barely slowed the warming in about a decade, rather than cause cooling immediately, which is what has occurred.

People have only been really serious about combatting it recently. Since the 90s it has been known by many people and they have done some things to try and combat it but only recently has climate change been taken seriously and had countries trying to find new ways to lower their carbon footprints.

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Here's my take on the subject: None of us have the credentials to have an opinion on this subject, because probably nobody here has a bachelor's degree in climatology. All I know is that either way, it's still probably a good idea to switch to renewable energy sources, because we are still going to run out of oil one way or another.

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#25 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] There has been no viable research that even implies that warmer oceans cause faster winds, which cause stronger cyclones. As a matter of fact, it's believed that the faster upper-level winds caused by warmer oceans actually work to damage rather than aid cyclones. Also of note: where've these stronger cyclones been in every year of the last decade except 2005? We've had average or below average hurricane seasons every year but 2005 in the past ten years, in case you haven't noticed :?

Hurricanes have been occuring more and more frequently. And the reason they arn't as devastating is because countries are beginning to work harder and harder to become less vulnerable to hurricanes. You know why they are doing this? Because hurricanes are becoming more frequent because of increased temperatures in the oceans.

Hurricanes are becoming more frequent? Really? If I remember correctly, this is the case: This year was below average. Last year was way below average. 2006 was average. 2005 was way above average. 2004 was below average. 2003 was below average. 2002 was average. 2001 was average. 2000 was below average. See a trend? I do. And it's not one that indicates increased hurricane activity :?

I'm talking about the last century. They have been occuring more frequently over the last CENTURY. Also what has been happening in the last decade? Thats right taken climate change seriously and tried to do things to combat it.

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#26 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"] Global Warming is slowing down because only in the last decade have we actually done things to try and combat it. When did you first hear of global warming, within the last 10 years. Hardly anyone cared about it before the last 10 years and now everyone knows of it.

The things we've been doing to combat it, if we are to go by the theories of the global warming-supporting scientists, would've barely slowed the warming in about a decade, rather than cause cooling immediately, which is what has occurred.

People have only been really serious about combatting it recently. Since the 90s it has been known by many people and they have done some things to try and combat it but only recently has climate change been taken seriously and had countries trying to find new ways to lower their carbon footprints.

If it were indeed because we were combating it, it would be mean that the cooling trend would've started in about 2006, because 1996-ish was when we started changing our habits, and climatologists have stated that it would take at least a decade for any effects of our changes to be seen. However, the cooling started in about 2000-six years ahead of schedule, and far before anything we had done could have had an effect.

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#27 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"] Hurricanes have been occuring more and more frequently. And the reason they arn't as devastating is because countries are beginning to work harder and harder to become less vulnerable to hurricanes. You know why they are doing this? Because hurricanes are becoming more frequent because of increased temperatures in the oceans.

Hurricanes are becoming more frequent? Really? If I remember correctly, this is the case: This year was below average. Last year was way below average. 2006 was average. 2005 was way above average. 2004 was below average. 2003 was below average. 2002 was average. 2001 was average. 2000 was below average. See a trend? I do. And it's not one that indicates increased hurricane activity :?

I'm talking about the last century. They have been occuring more frequently over the last CENTURY. Also what has been happening in the last decade? Thats right taken climate change seriously and tried to do things to combat it.

*sigh* I've already addressed this. Thrice now, actually. If you knew much of anything about the climate, you would know that it would take quite some time for any changes we would make to have an effect-a decade at the earliest. Late last decade, we started making small changes to be more environmentally friendly, but these changes were nowhere near the magnitude needed to cause a cooling and hurricane-reducing effect that significant and that soon. Also of note: what little changes we made were more than offset by the industrial growth of China and India, each of which has far less...stringent rules than we do.

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#28 xTheExploited

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Changing habbits doesn't reverse it, it only slows it down. If there is a large number of people emitting carbon than that means that less heat will be trapped. Carbon is still being produced but at lower quantities, climate change is still happening but its not being reversed in any way, by lowering carbon emissions. So it will have an immediate affect on how quickly things begin to warm up.

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#29 thepwninator

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Changing habbits doesn't reverse it, it only slows it down. If there is a large number of people emitting carbon than that means that less heat will be trapped. Carbon is still being produced but at lower quantities, climate change is still happening but its not being reversed in any way, by lowering carbon emissions. So it will have an immediate affect on how quickly things begin to warm up.xTheExploited

Of course changing habits wouldn't reverse it! Why, then, have we experienced cooling over the past decade? Why else? Because, as the OP says, global warming is rubbish!

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#30 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]Changing habbits doesn't reverse it, it only slows it down. If there is a large number of people emitting carbon than that means that less heat will be trapped. Carbon is still being produced but at lower quantities, climate change is still happening but its not being reversed in any way, by lowering carbon emissions. So it will have an immediate affect on how quickly things begin to warm up.thepwninator

Of course changing habits wouldn't reverse it! Why, then, have we experienced cooling over the past decade? Why else? Because, as the OP says, global warming is rubbish!

Cooling has only really taken affect in the last year, not the last decade. Its only slowed down in the last decade, like its getting more stable, not increasing as quickly.

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#31 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]Changing habbits doesn't reverse it, it only slows it down. If there is a large number of people emitting carbon than that means that less heat will be trapped. Carbon is still being produced but at lower quantities, climate change is still happening but its not being reversed in any way, by lowering carbon emissions. So it will have an immediate affect on how quickly things begin to warm up.xTheExploited

Of course changing habits wouldn't reverse it! Why, then, have we experienced cooling over the past decade? Why else? Because, as the OP says, global warming is rubbish!

Cooling has only really taken affect in the last year, not the last decade. Its only slowed down in the last decade, like its getting more stable, not increasing as quickly.

It didn't "slow down". It downright stopped. Then it cooled. Explain in the context of global warming.

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#32 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Of course changing habits wouldn't reverse it! Why, then, have we experienced cooling over the past decade? Why else? Because, as the OP says, global warming is rubbish!

Cooling has only really taken affect in the last year, not the last decade. Its only slowed down in the last decade, like its getting more stable, not increasing as quickly.

It didn't "slow down". It downright stopped. Then it cooled. Explain in the context of global warming.

Ah so you admit that is has only cooled down in the last year. :D

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#33 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"] Cooling has only really taken affect in the last year, not the last decade. Its only slowed down in the last decade, like its getting more stable, not increasing as quickly.xTheExploited

It didn't "slow down". It downright stopped. Then it cooled. Explain in the context of global warming.

Ah so you admit that is has only cooled down in the last year. :D

Indeed. Doesn't destroy the fact that temperature increases did, in fact, stop in the past decade, and we had a net temperature loss since 1998 (which was the hottest year since the '70s, if I remember correctly).

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#34 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] It didn't "slow down". It downright stopped. Then it cooled. Explain in the context of global warming.thepwninator

Ah so you admit that is has only cooled down in the last year. :D

Indeed. Doesn't destroy the fact that temperature increases did, in fact, stop in the past decade, and we had a net temperature loss since 1998 (which was the hottest year since the '70s, if I remember correctly).

Yeah temperatures since 1998 have pretty much been stable except for last year where temperatures decreased. And thats what a decade? The same amount of time you have told me that it takes actions to prevent climate change to take effect. And the late 90s is when countries began to take climate change seriously and try to prevent it? EDIT: Also the strangely high temperatures of 1998 may have been an anomaly. If you ignore 1998, temperatures continue to increase at a steady rate until the mid 2000's.

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#35 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"]
[QUOTE="xTheExploited"] Ah so you admit that is has only cooled down in the last year. :DxTheExploited

Indeed. Doesn't destroy the fact that temperature increases did, in fact, stop in the past decade, and we had a net temperature loss since 1998 (which was the hottest year since the '70s, if I remember correctly).

Yeah temperatures since 1998 have pretty much been stable except for last year where temperatures decreased. And thats what a decade? The same amount of time you have told me that it takes actions to prevent climate change to take effect. And the late 90s is when countries began to take climate change seriously and try to prevent it? EDIT: Also the strangely high temperatures of 1998 may have been an anomaly. If you ignore 1998, temperatures continue to increase at a steady rate until the mid 2000's.

However, as I said before, the changes we started to make were completely wiped out by the rapid industrialization of China and India, thus eliminating any possibility of heavy human involvement through known or theoretical mechanisms in the plateau and subsequent cooling.

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#36 xTheExploited

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Yes and because of their rapid industrialisation, the effects on the climate should be seen within the next few years. Which will make the current cooling a small period instead of the beginning of the cooling period.

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#37 thepwninator

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Yes and because of their rapid industrialisation, the effects on the climate should be seen within the next few years. Which will make the current cooling a small period instead of the beginning of the cooling period.xTheExploited

The point was that, because of that industrialization, the cooling period shouldn't have even existed in any way, shape, or form if the global warming theory is to be believed. Their growth has more than overshadowed our changes since we began them, so, going by that, we should've had ever-increasing temperatures rather than this plateau and cooling period.

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#38 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]Yes and because of their rapid industrialisation, the effects on the climate should be seen within the next few years. Which will make the current cooling a small period instead of the beginning of the cooling period.thepwninator

The point was that, because of that industrialization, the cooling period shouldn't have even existed in any way, shape, or form if the global warming theory is to be believed. Their growth has more than overshadowed our changes since we began them, so, going by that, we should've had ever-increasing temperatures rather than this plateau and cooling period.

The effects haven't been fully seen yet seeing as their industrialisation has only began to rapidly occur in the last few years. Like I said before, the effects will be seen in the next couple years.

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#39 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]Yes and because of their rapid industrialisation, the effects on the climate should be seen within the next few years. Which will make the current cooling a small period instead of the beginning of the cooling period.xTheExploited

The point was that, because of that industrialization, the cooling period shouldn't have even existed in any way, shape, or form if the global warming theory is to be believed. Their growth has more than overshadowed our changes since we began them, so, going by that, we should've had ever-increasing temperatures rather than this plateau and cooling period.

The effects haven't been fully seen yet seeing as their industrialisation has only began to rapidly occur in the last few years. Like I said before, the effects will be seen in the next couple years.

If we go by the global warming theory-that increased CO2 output should increase temperature-the last decade was completely and totally unexplainable. If you disagree with this assertion, prove it wrong.

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#40 LikeHaterade

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Yes it is rubbish. Weather changes. That is all.

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#41 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] The point was that, because of that industrialization, the cooling period shouldn't have even existed in any way, shape, or form if the global warming theory is to be believed. Their growth has more than overshadowed our changes since we began them, so, going by that, we should've had ever-increasing temperatures rather than this plateau and cooling period.

The effects haven't been fully seen yet seeing as their industrialisation has only began to rapidly occur in the last few years. Like I said before, the effects will be seen in the next couple years.

If we go by the global warming theory-that increased CO2 output should increase temperature-the last decade was completely and totally unexplainable. If you disagree with this assertion, prove it wrong.

I'm not sure if you are reading my comments. I've said it twice before, their carbon emissions from their industrialisation has not yet taken effect on the climate and will do so in the next few years. Also excluding 1998 which may have been an anomaly, temperatures have been increasing up until the mid 2000's when they stabalisde, which I have also said before.

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Global warming is a total farce which makes for a perfect reason to enact some new carbon taxes on everyone that just so happens to breath. The earth is cooling down at this particular time, and you might take note that the poles are actually expanding in size as we speak. Of course, im not providing any links about this at the moment since I dont really give enough of a **** to do so, but the information is out there for those who are so inclined to find out.

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#43 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"] The effects haven't been fully seen yet seeing as their industrialisation has only began to rapidly occur in the last few years. Like I said before, the effects will be seen in the next couple years.

If we go by the global warming theory-that increased CO2 output should increase temperature-the last decade was completely and totally unexplainable. If you disagree with this assertion, prove it wrong.

I'm not sure if you are reading my comments. I've said it twice before, their carbon emissions from their industrialisation has not yet taken effect on the climate and will do so in the next few years. Also excluding 1998 which may have been an anomaly, temperatures have been increasing up until the mid 2000's when they stabalisde, which I have also said before.

They should have, however, as their industrialization has been occurring since the mid-90's at an extremely rapid pace, and CO2 output by western nations was growing significantly prior to that period as well. Therefore, the stabilized period (and subsequent minor cooling) shouldn't have happened whatsoever, as CO2 output worldwide has grown at a rather rapid pace over the last 50 years, and, indeed, quickened somewhat in the last 30. Yet, in spite of this, the temperature spike leveled out and actually started to be reversed. If CO2 was a main cause of warming, the temperature should still be going up and, indeed, accelerating.

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I think that this is a natural process of the earth, don't know really but we are making it go faster...

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#45 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] If we go by the global warming theory-that increased CO2 output should increase temperature-the last decade was completely and totally unexplainable. If you disagree with this assertion, prove it wrong.

I'm not sure if you are reading my comments. I've said it twice before, their carbon emissions from their industrialisation has not yet taken effect on the climate and will do so in the next few years. Also excluding 1998 which may have been an anomaly, temperatures have been increasing up until the mid 2000's when they stabalisde, which I have also said before.

They should have, however, as their industrialization has been occurring since the mid-90's at an extremely rapid pace, and CO2 output by western nations was growing significantly prior to that period as well. Therefore, the stabilized period (and subsequent minor cooling) shouldn't have happened whatsoever, as CO2 output worldwide has grown at a rather rapid pace over the last 50 years, and, indeed, quickened somewhat in the last 30. Yet, in spite of this, the temperature spike leveled out and actually started to be reversed. If CO2 was a main cause of warming, the temperature should still be going up and, indeed, accelerating.

India and China's industrialisation may be in increasing yes, but they are still not producing more carbon emissions than the USA yet. They are expected to up their carbon emissions within the years to come, its still increasing. If the main carbon emission producer slowed down and tried to prevent carbon emissions than it will make a substantial dent in the increasing heat being trapped, which may bring down the temperature. And warming is expected to occur again.

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#46 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"] I'm not sure if you are reading my comments. I've said it twice before, their carbon emissions from their industrialisation has not yet taken effect on the climate and will do so in the next few years. Also excluding 1998 which may have been an anomaly, temperatures have been increasing up until the mid 2000's when they stabalisde, which I have also said before.xTheExploited

They should have, however, as their industrialization has been occurring since the mid-90's at an extremely rapid pace, and CO2 output by western nations was growing significantly prior to that period as well. Therefore, the stabilized period (and subsequent minor cooling) shouldn't have happened whatsoever, as CO2 output worldwide has grown at a rather rapid pace over the last 50 years, and, indeed, quickened somewhat in the last 30. Yet, in spite of this, the temperature spike leveled out and actually started to be reversed. If CO2 was a main cause of warming, the temperature should still be going up and, indeed, accelerating.

India and China's industrialisation may be in increasing yes, but they are still not producing more carbon emissions than the USA yet. They are expected to up their carbon emissions within the years to come, its still increasing. If the main carbon emission producer slowed down and tried to prevent carbon emissions than it will make a substantial dent in the increasing heat being trapped, which may bring down the temperature. And warming is expected to occur again.

Our drops in output were, at max, 10% over the past 20 years. India and China used to be at about 20% of their present levels. Even though they don't produce more than us, their growth rate far outstripped our shrink-rate, even if you convert it to absolute terms. Did you not read my last post?

And warming may be expected to occur again, but that doesn't mean it will, by any means. These are the same people that predicted record warming in the past decade, and we know how that turned out :|

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Global warming is a total farcejer_1

lol

Hay guyz, let's go watch sum Zeitgeist durr hurr.

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#48 xTheExploited

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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] They should have, however, as their industrialization has been occurring since the mid-90's at an extremely rapid pace, and CO2 output by western nations was growing significantly prior to that period as well. Therefore, the stabilized period (and subsequent minor cooling) shouldn't have happened whatsoever, as CO2 output worldwide has grown at a rather rapid pace over the last 50 years, and, indeed, quickened somewhat in the last 30. Yet, in spite of this, the temperature spike leveled out and actually started to be reversed. If CO2 was a main cause of warming, the temperature should still be going up and, indeed, accelerating.

India and China's industrialisation may be in increasing yes, but they are still not producing more carbon emissions than the USA yet. They are expected to up their carbon emissions within the years to come, its still increasing. If the main carbon emission producer slowed down and tried to prevent carbon emissions than it will make a substantial dent in the increasing heat being trapped, which may bring down the temperature. And warming is expected to occur again.

Our drops in output were, at max, 10% over the past 20 years. India and China used to be at about 20% of their present levels. Even though they don't produce more than us, their growth rate far outstripped our shrink-rate, even if you convert it to absolute terms.

And their mass growth is only recent, not the past 20 years, more like last few years. So the temperatures should increase in the next couple years. This is gonna be my last post because I have to go know. Good discussion, definately the longest one I have ever had on gamespot.

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Whats with all this global warming garbage? Save the polar bears! The sea level rose a milimeter!
Wasn't the earth once a tropical planet? Why does no one point out that this is just a shift back into that, slowly out of the last ice age? Wasn't most of what is North America covered in water?
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The oceans are so massive that the effect of glacial melt-off is difficult to measure. But the ice caps and glaciers ARE receding (and there is very clear evidence for this). Have you seen how thin many polar bears are because of the distance they are forced to travel to find food? When polars bears are starting to drown, you know something is wrong.

One of the biggest ways in which humans are affected or will be affected in the future may be a lack of fresh water. But a change in ocean temperatures of even just 1 degree is enough to damage the population of thousands of different species of sea creature. Those that can handle the change in temperature themselves may still be affected by the dwindling of their food resources.

Whether global warming is a man-made or natural event is debatable. That it is happening, and will affect numerous species throughout the world is not.

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#50 thepwninator

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"] India and China's industrialisation may be in increasing yes, but they are still not producing more carbon emissions than the USA yet. They are expected to up their carbon emissions within the years to come, its still increasing. If the main carbon emission producer slowed down and tried to prevent carbon emissions than it will make a substantial dent in the increasing heat being trapped, which may bring down the temperature. And warming is expected to occur again.

Our drops in output were, at max, 10% over the past 20 years. India and China used to be at about 20% of their present levels. Even though they don't produce more than us, their growth rate far outstripped our shrink-rate, even if you convert it to absolute terms.

And their mass growth is only recent, not the past 20 years, more like last few years. So the temperatures should increase in the next couple years. This is gonna be my last post because I have to go know. Good discussion, definately the longest one I have ever had on gamespot.

India's growth didn't start in full until about 2000, but China has been rapidly growing since the end of the Cold War, making up for the absence of India.

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