GM To Pull The Plug On Pontiac

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[QUOTE="Invisible_Kid2"]I'd rather have a Scion XB

scoots9

I don't even know how to respond to that one. :|

:|... A Scion!?

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[QUOTE="GPAddict"]

I don't even know how to respond to that one. :|

Invisible_Kid2

:|... A Scion!?

Isn't the XB that metal box on wheels?

its really funny to me that people are hating on buicks when they make very reliable cars...

http://www.i10automall.com/j/i/29954/BuickTopsJDPowersSurvey.html

also those people who think that buicks are only for old people are ignorant.... look at that very nice looking lacrosse coming soon..

http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/revitalization/sitebuilder/images/NEW4-600x450.jpg

The yaks were my favorite label, but at least we still have chevy. They pretty much have the same fleet except pontiacs were sporty(er) looking.

Probably why they got axed, a little redundant.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors is preparing to announce that the Pontiac car brand, once marketed as GM's "Excitement division," will be killed off, according to a source familiar with the decision.

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What do you guys think?

-Sniper99-

I own a Pontiac GP GT 2005 and a Pontiac G6 GT 2008, and I really want a Pontiac G8 GT so I have to admit that this is a bummer to me. I love the GTO's as well. Luckily there are plenty models around from previous years, but the thought that I have seen the last models with a Pontiac name is just dissapointing to me.

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Pontiac? Those cars are lame...scoots9

G8 GXP: 415 hp, 0-60 4.5 seconds, roomy interior, $38,000. You were saying?

Look at Toyota. They only have Toyota in most countries. Only in the USA do they have the Lexus brand.Talldude80

Although a majority of Lexus sales are in the U.S. they are sold in many other countries around the world, Including Japan, Britain, Russia, China, Russia, Malasiya, Indonesia, and the Philipenes. Their plan is to be in 76 countries by 2009.

Pontiac is a horrible line of cars

R.I.P. Pontiac

GM could have kill any other company but no they get rid of Pontiac. Kill Buick they make garbage cars.

ghostphantom563

except that buick is GM's most reliable series of cars. They also have their highest repeat customers. I however wouldn't be caught dead in one but it is the smarter move.

Pontiac is a horrible line of cars

kemar7856

How so? It's cool to say that you aren't into anything that Pontiac has to offer, but to state that they are horrible you really should give a reason.:?

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[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

G8 GXP: 415 hp, 0-60 4.5 seconds, roomy interior, $38,000. You were saying?

[QUOTE="Talldude80"] Look at Toyota. They only have Toyota in most countries. Only in the USA do they have the Lexus brand.Invisible_Kid2

Although a majority of Lexus sales are in the U.S. they are sold in many other countries around the world, Including Japan, Britain, Russia, China, Russia, Malasiya, Indonesia, and the Philipenes. Their plan is to be in 76 countries by 2009.

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Pontiac is a horrible line of cars

zmbi_gmr

How so? It's cool to say that you aren't into anything that Pontiac has to offer, but to state that they are horrible you really should give a reason.:?

[QUOTE="omfg_its_dally"][QUOTE="Guppy507"]

If they got rid of Buick, what would old people drive?

Hey now... I drive a Saturn. :P

GM needed to consolidate its brands anyway. I feel bad for the factory workers & such, but GM really needs to change its business model in order to survive.

In fact, most (if not all)American automakers really screwed themselves in the 90s by building big SUVs because of how gas prices dropped. The *** automakes continue to focus on gas sippers and are now healthy today.

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[QUOTE="kemar7856"]

Pontiac is a horrible line of cars

3picuri3

How so? It's cool to say that you aren't into anything that Pontiac has to offer, but to state that they are horrible you really should give a reason.:?

This is seriously ugly to you? Also how are they cheaply made? Most of the parts of their cars are swappable with the same parts in Chevy vehicles and since when has Chevy made cheap vehicles? Also what does poor resale value have to do with anything? When I buy a car I'm not thinking about selling it because if that was the case I wouldn't be buying it. It is a plus though to have high resale value, but it shouldn't be a con to buying a car.

GM needed to consolidate its brands anyway. I feel bad for the factory workers & such, but GM really needs to change its business model in order to survive.

In fact, most (if not all)American automakers really screwed themselves in the 90s by building big SUVs because of how gas prices dropped. The *** automakes continue to focus on gas sippers and are now healthy today.

LosDaddie

That's a misconception, the market for the SUVs was there in the 90s. It would be stupid not to take advantage of it.

Make no mistake, the fleet haslittle to do with it, toyota sales were down 40% this winter. The bussiness model along with being under the thumb of the unions are to blame.

Well sucks for people working at Pontiac.

Personally though, I think I am pledging my allegience to Honda. I have only had one car so far, and it's a 1987 Honda Accord that while I have had a lot of minor repairs of the years, IT STILL RUNS PERFECT!!!!

Had to get it fixed just yesterday (Turned out it was just the battery and the idiots who had first looked at my car didn't do a good job diagnosing) and when I was towing it the tow truck driver mentioned that he thinks Honda's and Volkswagons are some of the most reliable cars as he picks up very few of those brand cars.

Considering my parents just had to spend $5,000 on a brand new engine for their Explorer which isn't even a few years old, and the Explorer they had before that was lost after the engine got ruined and it wasn't even 10 years old, I really appreciate how well my car has held up and how inexpensive the fixes have been.

Well sucks for people working at Pontiac.

Personally though, I think I am pledging my allegience to Honda. I have only had one car so far, and it's a 1987 Honda Accord that while I have had a lot of minor repairs of the years, IT STILL RUNS PERFECT!!!!

Had to get it fixed just yesterday (Turned out it was just the battery and the idiots who had first looked at my car didn't do a good job diagnosing) and when I was towing it the tow truck driver mentioned that he thinks Honda's and Volkswagons are some of the most reliable cars as he picks up very few of those brand cars.

Considering my parents just had to spend $5,000 on a brand new engine for their Explorer which isn't even a few years old, and the Explorer they had before that was lost after the engine got ruined and it wasn't even 10 years old, I really appreciate how well my car has held up and how inexpensive the fixes have been.

LostProphetFLCL

Or whoever owned your Honda before you knew how to maintain their car much better than your parents did. Anybody who blows an engine has to be ignoring some warning signs for while, whether it be a dummy light or knocking.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors is preparing to announce that the Pontiac car brand, once marketed as GM's "Excitement division," will be killed off, according to a source familiar with the decision.

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What do you guys think?

-Sniper99-

No, Pontiac will not be killed off.

"But Pontiac was also not to be killed or sold off, as were Saturn, Saab and Hummer.

Instead Pontiac was to continue on as a "niche brand" focusing on just a few models."

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Pontiac is a horrible line of cars

3picuri3

How so? It's cool to say that you aren't into anything that Pontiac has to offer, but to state that they are horrible you really should give a reason.:?

Complete BS pal. What do you drive

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

GM needed to consolidate its brands anyway. I feel bad for the factory workers & such, but GM really needs to change its business model in order to survive.

In fact, most (if not all)American automakers really screwed themselves in the 90s by building big SUVs because of how gas prices dropped. The *** automakes continue to focus on gas sippers and are now healthy today.

DaBrainz

That's a misconception, the market for the SUVs was there in the 90s. It would be stupid not to take advantage of it.

Make no mistake, the fleet haslittle to do with it, toyota sales were down 40% this winter. The bussiness model along with being under the thumb of the unions are to blame.

eh....I probably wasn't clear enough. Of course GM should've built SUVs in the 90s because that's what consumers wanted. What GM should've also done in the 90s was focus on Honda Civic-like cars as well, instead of big SUVs, trucks and sedans. GM should've looked into why Honda, Toyota, etc were eating away at their marketshare and countered.

GM had a great idea with Saturn, but there was too much in-fighting for the idea to be truly realized. Saturns ended up being cheaply made and had worse MPG than the Japanese cars.

The recession is affecting everybody, but the GM fleet did play it role since the demand for GM vehicles is down.....while demand for fuel efficient, reliablecars went up.

GM just needed a drastic change on how they operate. Every aspect, from corporate to the unions, is responsible for the downturn.

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors is preparing to announce that the Pontiac car brand, once marketed as GM's "Excitement division," will be killed off, according to a source familiar with the decision.

Full Article
What do you guys think?

OfficialBed

No, Pontiac will not be killed off.

"But Pontiac was also not to be killed or sold off, as were Saturn, Saab and Hummer.

Instead Pontiac was to continue on as a "niche brand" focusing on just a few models."

I think you may have misunderstood. It was saying that under the last viability plan that it was to continue as a niche brand, so the fact that they are getting rid of pontiac all together was not decided until recently.

My boyfriend is a mechanic and owns a Pontiac. These cars are the hardest things to work on. Some of the most BASIC parts (heater hoses) are special order. I know many people who own Pontiacs and I know how often they break down. I'm glad to see these things go. Amnesiac23

these ppl who have all these pontiacs breaking down may be simply not taking care of them. I own two w/ zero problems...Knock on wood. wow i didn't expect so much hate forPontiacs here on OT

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors is preparing to announce that the Pontiac car brand, once marketed as GM's "Excitement division," will be killed off, according to a source familiar with the decision.

Full Article
What do you guys think?

DaBrainz

No, Pontiac will not be killed off.

"But Pontiac was also not to be killed or sold off, as were Saturn, Saab and Hummer.

Instead Pontiac was to continue on as a "niche brand" focusing on just a few models."

I think you may have misunderstood. It was saying that under the last viability plan that it was to continue as a niche brand, so the fact that they are getting rid of pontiac all together was not decided until recently.

Oh, my bad. Thanks for clearing it up.

Pontiac? Those cars are lame...pspdseagle

I once owned a 1971 Pontiac Grand Prix Model SJ. Rated as a supercar. 455 c.i. 4-bbl. carb, with a real dual exhaust, and no pollution gear. Ran on Premium fuel. And it would fly, qtr-mile and top end both. Also owned the last Trans-Am that had a 455.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"]

How so? It's cool to say that you aren't into anything that Pontiac has to offer, but to state that they are horrible you really should give a reason.:?

zmbi_gmr

Complete BS pal. What do you drive

i thought so ^^:lol:

I liked the old skool Pontiacs like the Firebirds and GTOs but I haven't liked their styling for over have a decade now.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="scoots9"]

G8 GXP: 415 hp, 0-60 4.5 seconds, roomy interior, $38,000. You were saying?

GPAddict

That's your opinion, that car is SWEET! I would rock that all night long. Oh and its got 415 ft. lbs of torque to match those nice HP numbers. Too bad they got rid of Pontiac, cuz the G8 is one bad a$$ car!

That's just a rebradgedHolden Commodore.

Pure Aussie Power.

This is seriously ugly to you? Also how are they cheaply made? Most of the parts of their cars are swappable with the same parts in Chevy vehicles and since when has Chevy made cheap vehicles? Also what does poor resale value have to do with anything? When I buy a car I'm not thinking about selling it because if that was the case I wouldn't be buying it. It is a plus though to have high resale value, but it shouldn't be a con to buying a car.

bigblunt537

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[QUOTE="xaos"] You forgot to mention ugly as sin; blechMr_Manikin52

That's your opinion, that car is SWEET! I would rock that all night long. Oh and its got 415 ft. lbs of torque to match those nice HP numbers. Too bad they got rid of Pontiac, cuz the G8 is one bad a$$ car!

That's just a rebradgedHolden Commodore.

Pure Aussie Power.

Wait, you mean to tell me that they make GM cars outside of America?:o

What's your point?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"]

How so? It's cool to say that you aren't into anything that Pontiac has to offer, but to state that they are horrible you really should give a reason.:?

zmbi_gmr

Complete BS pal. What do you drive

live in the city, when i need - i rent. no point in owning one right now. fail to see how that means jack **** apart from you pointing out the obvious = that people have opinions. guess what? pontiacs are rated **** for quality in guides, rated **** for resale value in guides, rated **** for mileage. i don't give a **** if you like it and own them. i don't own them, can read buyer guides, and think they're ugly as hell. kthx.

hell, they used to give ponti's away to people buying condos in my city...

and what does this have to do with the thread? GM pulled ponti - for a good reason. nobody buys them. for all the reasons above.

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This is seriously ugly to you? Also how are they cheaply made? Most of the parts of their cars are swappable with the same parts in Chevy vehicles and since when has Chevy made cheap vehicles? Also what does poor resale value have to do with anything? When I buy a car I'm not thinking about selling it because if that was the case I wouldn't be buying it. It is a plus though to have high resale value, but it shouldn't be a con to buying a car.

3picuri3

Well I didn't think the car looked amazing, but it's by far not ugly well atleast in my opinion, but it looks very similar to the same edition of the Camaro which is a little less crazy and pretty cool looking, and my point being saying Pontiac cars are ugly are like saying Chevy cars are ugly and since they almost all use similar parts you are basically saying all of GM's cars suck and all of them are ugly. I'm not a huge Pontiac fan myself, but I hope their sport cars are integrated with Chevy or any other GM brands.

I don't care since they stopped the firebirds anyway! :x

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Well sucks for people working at Pontiac.

Personally though, I think I am pledging my allegience to Honda. I have only had one car so far, and it's a 1987 Honda Accord that while I have had a lot of minor repairs of the years, IT STILL RUNS PERFECT!!!!

Had to get it fixed just yesterday (Turned out it was just the battery and the idiots who had first looked at my car didn't do a good job diagnosing) and when I was towing it the tow truck driver mentioned that he thinks Honda's and Volkswagons are some of the most reliable cars as he picks up very few of those brand cars.

Considering my parents just had to spend $5,000 on a brand new engine for their Explorer which isn't even a few years old, and the Explorer they had before that was lost after the engine got ruined and it wasn't even 10 years old, I really appreciate how well my car has held up and how inexpensive the fixes have been.

DaBrainz

Or whoever owned your Honda before you knew how to maintain their car much better than your parents did. Anybody who blows an engine has to be ignoring some warning signs for while, whether it be a dummy light or knocking.

My stepdad was the owner ofboth the Honda and the second explorer throughout their entire use,actually. The first explorer he had been caring for for a couple years and untill then it was driven by my mom and my biological father who use to work at a Discount battery sohe knew a bit about cars.I took over the Honda directly frommy stepdadand the fact it has survived through my lack of car care knowlege is pretty amazing. I hate to say it but I still don't know too much about cars. I can replace spark plugs, change and/or jump a battery, put in fluids, and change a flat tire, but I can be pretty bad about keeping up on things like the oil changes.

The first explorer that died on them something cracked or whatever causing a bunch of oil to get sprayed all-over the inside of the engine.

The second one just completely shut-off and died when they were leaving the neighborhood to go to church.

The fact that neither explorer lasted a decade while my Honda has lasted over 2 decades now and still runs perfectly says something I think. I personally don't think I will ever buy a Ford, or at least an Explorer with the way those ones went compared to my Honda...

i'm not doing your work - save up 5$ buy a buyers guide, flip to the pontiac section - problem solved ;)

do you honestly think you're right and GM pulled the plug because the cars were so well reviewed and people just loved them? right... right. they're just too good of cars right? too good of cars..

This is seriously ugly to you?

bigblunt537

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This is seriously ugly to you?

xaos

Its ok, the haters will probably even say this Pontiac G8 is ugly too. :roll:

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

This is seriously ugly to you?

GPAddict

Its ok, the haters will probably even say this Pontiac G8 is ugly too. :roll:

that is the sickest looking G8 i've seen thus far.i almost bought a black G8 2008 V8 last year. i'm seriously jealous of you right now. the 09's come suped up with over 410hp compared to the V8 G8 of 2008 with around 360hp. nice corvette as well. what year is the vette? it looks like a late 90's model. i know it's not a new model because of the lights. hope you read this comment:)

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]I think if they're going to narrow it down to four "core brands," killing off Pontiac over Buick was a very poor decision.Guppy507

If they got rid of Buick, what would old people drive?

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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]I think if they're going to narrow it down to four "core brands," killing off Pontiac over Buick was a very poor decision.w0lfbreeder

If they got rid of Buick, what would old people drive?

i realize your making a joke (which is pretty funny), but Oldsmaobile's aren't made anymore. FYI if you didn't know already;)

Oh noes. GM is cutting a brand of crappy cars that stopped being relevant 15 years ago. Whatever will we do?

I like the g6, that's about it. I'd be disappointed if Chevy was killed off, though.TwiztidJoker