God has a good reason why he allowed Adam and Eve to sin.

I'm still at awe as to how an almighty, powerful god could get so pissy over somebody eating an apple.

"It's all about... choice."

Your point? So God gave Adam and Eve free will but also provided for their downfall with the foreknowledge that it would occur.domatron23

Your point? So God gave Adam and Eve free will but also provided for their downfall with the foreknowledge that it would occur.domatron23

I am saying God had a good reason for allowing it. I mean God suffered from Adam and Eve's choices. Meh___Guy

And what have we learned tonight? We've learned that God is a masochist.

I think when people write "Reason" and "God" in the same sentence, the OT dies a little inside.hillelslovak

Not really. But statements like yours do annoy me.

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]I think when people write "Reason" and "God" in the same sentence, the OT dies a little inside.dave123321

Not really. But statements like yours do annoy me.

It would appear that both of you are easily annoyed.

I'm still at awe as to how an almighty, powerful god could get so pissy over somebody eating an apple.

-Jiggles-

that made me laugh.

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]I think when people write "Reason" and "God" in the same sentence, the OT dies a little inside.dave123321

Not really. But statements like yours do annoy me.

Yeah, smug one-liners get really annoying around here in such a short amount of time. As much as I like challenging the ideas behind religion, I still do the same for anything that is aimed at opposing any sort of theism.

[QUOTE="dave123321"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]I think when people write "Reason" and "God" in the same sentence, the OT dies a little inside.pianist

Not really. But statements like yours do annoy me.

It would appear that both of you are easily annoyed.

It would appear that you are very observant .

[QUOTE="dave123321"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]I think when people write "Reason" and "God" in the same sentence, the OT dies a little inside.pianist

Not really. But statements like yours do annoy me.

It would appear that both of you are easily annoyed.

Im not annoyed by people believing in God. It's just my opinion that God isnt real, and that when you look at the Bible and the religion closely you'll see how insane all these stories and belief systems really are.

[QUOTE="dave123321"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]I think when people write "Reason" and "God" in the same sentence, the OT dies a little inside.pianist

Not really. But statements like yours do annoy me.

It would appear that both of you are easily annoyed.

Thoroughly agreed.

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="dave123321"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]I think when people write "Reason" and "God" in the same sentence, the OT dies a little inside.dave123321

Not really. But statements like yours do annoy me.

It would appear that both of you are easily annoyed.

It would appear that you are very observant .

It would appear that you can read a line of text and come to the correct conclusion.

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="dave123321"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]I think when people write "Reason" and "God" in the same sentence, the OT dies a little inside.pianist

Not really. But statements like yours do annoy me.

It would appear that both of you are easily annoyed.

It would appear that you are very observant .

It would appear that you can read a line of text and come to the correct conclusion.

I wish I could read, because then I could understand what you guys are saying. You can read. Can you teach me to read? I want to read.

I wish I could read, because then I could understand what you guys are saying. You can read. Can you teach me to read? I want to read.

Blood-Scribe

For an illiterate, your spelling and grammar is impeccable. Reading is just like sailing a boat, but without the sailing part, or the boat part.

You know, Jesus died for your sins, if you don't sin, then he died for nothin!-theCHUD-

But all have sinned, and all have fallen short of the glory of God.

You know, Jesus died for your sins, if you don't sin, then he died for nothin!-theCHUD-

Seems like Jesus cares for our sins more than he does us.

God wanted to see if they love him or not! God didn't want us to be robots, So he gave them free will. To be obey or disobeyGod IMO maybe wanted them to know that he is GOD! God is the only one who can save you.

Im not annoyed by people believing in God. It's just my opinion that God isnt real, and that when you look at the Bible and the religion closely you'll see how insane all these stories and belief systems really are.

hillelslovak

oh lordy, lord. And your opinion is fact, cuz you flaunt it like that. i know there are some stupid religious folks who think there only right and people who think differently than i do but really you think im insane because of my beliefs. I think your the insane one

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]

Im not annoyed by people believing in God. It's just my opinion that God isnt real, and that when you look at the Bible and the religion closely you'll see how insane all these stories and belief systems really are.

smallcaplegend

oh lordy, lord. And your opinion is fact, cuz you flaunt it like that. i know there are some stupid religious folks who think there only right and people who think differently than i do but really you think im insane because of my beliefs. I think your the insane one

I like where this thread is going.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

I wish I could read, because then I could understand what you guys are saying. You can read. Can you teach me to read? I want to read.

pianist

For an illiterate, your spelling and grammar is impeccable. Reading is just like sailing a boat, but without the sailing part, or the boat part.

Reading invovles boats?? Fascinating. Do I get a free boat somewhere in the process? I want a boat now. If you teach me to read, will you give me a boat?

God wanted to see if they love him or not! God didn't want us to be robots, So he gave them free will. To be obey or disobeyGod IMO maybe wanted them to know that he is GOD! God is the only one who can save you.

ItalyCanadian9

God cares about how pathetic little pieces of biological matter care about him?

He's ****ing GOD for Christ sakes. Why would he care about the opinions of little hairless apes that he created through sheer boredom? I'd like to know, really.

[QUOTE="-theCHUD-"]You know, Jesus died for your sins, if you don't sin, then he died for nothin!-Jiggles-

Seems like Jesus cares for our sins more than he does us.

????????????

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

I wish I could read, because then I could understand what you guys are saying. You can read. Can you teach me to read? I want to read.

pianist

For an illiterate, your spelling and grammar is impeccable. Reading is just like sailing a boat, but without the sailing part, or the boat part.

Being a homosexual is like you, except it DOES include the "you" part

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

I wish I could read, because then I could understand what you guys are saying. You can read. Can you teach me to read? I want to read.

Blood-Scribe

For an illiterate, your spelling and grammar is impeccable. Reading is just like sailing a boat, but without the sailing part, or the boat part.

Reading invovles boats?? Fascinating. Do I get a free boat somewhere in the process? I want a boat now. If you teach me to read, will you give me a boat?

Whoa... hold up there, Slick. You can have the boat... or the MYSTERY BOX...

Being a homosexual is like you, except it DOES include the "you" part

generic_user512

:lol:

Tough day in middle school, chief? Don't worry - you'll always have your Linkin Park.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

I wish I could read, because then I could understand what you guys are saying. You can read. Can you teach me to read? I want to read.

pianist

For an illiterate, your spelling and grammar is impeccable. Reading is just like sailing a boat, but without the sailing part, or the boat part.

Reading invovles boats?? Fascinating. Do I get a free boat somewhere in the process? I want a boat now. If you teach me to read, will you give me a boat?

Whoa... hold up there, Slick. You can have the boat... or the MYSTERY BOX...

Does the mystery box also come with a boat? Is the mystery box two boats?? One boat is good enough, but two boats would be two things that are good enough, and when you have two good enoughs, you end up with more than enough good, and then you get an awesome. Is the mystery box an awesome? GIVE ME THE AWESOME NOW.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

[QUOTE="-theCHUD-"]You know, Jesus died for your sins, if you don't sin, then he died for nothin!ItalyCanadian9

Seems like Jesus cares for our sins more than he does us.

????????????

Yes you can get your HD channels for free with my new cable service "Dave's old fashioned cable service ultra deluxe supreme"(I assume that is what you are asking)

[QUOTE="ItalyCanadian9"]

God wanted to see if they love him or not! God didn't want us to be robots, So he gave them free will. To be obey or disobeyGod IMO maybe wanted them to know that he is GOD! God is the only one who can save you.

-Jiggles-

God cares about how pathetic little pieces of biological matter care about him?

He's ****ing GOD for Christ sakes. Why would he care about the opinions of little hairless apes that he created through sheer boredom? I'd like to know, really.

God wants fellowship with you not because of what you are but because of what He is.

• He is loving
• He is giving
• The best He can give is Himself.
• He has given you the Holy Spirit so that you might have God living within you. Not in a desert sanctuary or a stone temple, but in a living intimate way.
• You can know Him, experience Him, and feel Him.
• He made the universe for you.
• He created you for Him.

[QUOTE="ItalyCanadian9"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

[QUOTE="-theCHUD-"]You know, Jesus died for your sins, if you don't sin, then he died for nothin!dave123321

Seems like Jesus cares for our sins more than he does us.

????????????

Yes you can get your HD channels for free with my new cable service "Dave's old fashioned cable service ultra deluxe supreme"(I assume that is what you are asking)

:lol:

It appears we've succeeded in totally de-railing this religion topic.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

[QUOTE="-theCHUD-"]You know, Jesus died for your sins, if you don't sin, then he died for nothin!ItalyCanadian9

Seems like Jesus cares for our sins more than he does us.

????????????

All throughout my catholic youth, I've been told that Jesus has died for our sins. I always accepted this and never really questioned it. Through thinking over time, though, it's made me wonder.

Why didn't Jesus die for US, not our sins? By Jesus dying for our sins, it gives me the feeling that he cares about us obeying him and/or his father more than he does caring for ourselves. It seems to me like God is more intent on pleasing himself and making himself feel even more high & mighty than before (which is pointless, because he's "omnipotent").

[QUOTE="generic_user512"]

Being a homosexual is like you, except it DOES include the "you" part

pianist

:lol:

Tough day in middle school, chief? Don't worry - you'll always have your Linkin Park.

Tough day at the asylum?

[QUOTE="ItalyCanadian9"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

[QUOTE="-theCHUD-"]You know, Jesus died for your sins, if you don't sin, then he died for nothin!dave123321

Seems like Jesus cares for our sins more than he does us.

????????????

Yes you can get your HD channels for free with my new cable service "Dave's old fashioned cable service ultra deluxe supreme"(I assume that is what you are asking)

No

Does the mystery box also come with a boat? Is the mystery box two boats?? One boat is good enough, but two boats would be two things that are good enough, and when you have two good enoughs, you end up with more than enough good, and then you get an awesome. Is the mystery box an awesome? GIVE ME THE AWESOME NOW.

Blood-Scribe

It MAY come with a boat... it may even come with an awesome... but if I told you, it wouldn't be a mystery, now would it?

Your point? So God gave Adam and Eve free will but also provided for their downfall with the foreknowledge that it would occur.domatron23

You only really justified why Adam and Eve sinned not why God allowed them to. If I was to try and defend Gods actions (including the tree of knowledge in Eden) I would say something along the lines of 'free will doesn't truly exist unless there is an opportunity to exercise it, therefore if God made Adam and Eve with free will then he had to include the option to sin'.

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="generic_user512"]

Being a homosexual is like you, except it DOES include the "you" part

generic_user512

:lol:

Tough day in middle school, chief? Don't worry - you'll always have your Linkin Park.

Tough day at the asylum?

And here I was expecting a witty reply. You were on such a roll tonight. For shame.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

Does the mystery box also come with a boat? Is the mystery box two boats?? One boat is good enough, but two boats would be two things that are good enough, and when you have two good enoughs, you end up with more than enough good, and then you get an awesome. Is the mystery box an awesome? GIVE ME THE AWESOME NOW.

pianist

It MAY come with a boat... it may even come with an awesome... but if I told you, it wouldn't be a mystery, now would it?

Is the mystery box itself a boat? If so, I'm in.

:lol:

I think we've succeeded in totally de-railing this religion topic.

pianist

We should do this to every religion topic to ensure that the boards don't get clogged up with boring topics that go on for more than 20 pages. We could be like a special dispatch unit designed to maintain the sanity of the OT board.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="ItalyCanadian9"]

God wanted to see if they love him or not! God didn't want us to be robots, So he gave them free will. To be obey or disobeyGod IMO maybe wanted them to know that he is GOD! God is the only one who can save you.

ItalyCanadian9

God cares about how pathetic little pieces of biological matter care about him?

He's ****ing GOD for Christ sakes. Why would he care about the opinions of little hairless apes that he created through sheer boredom? I'd like to know, really.

God wants fellowship with you not because of what you are but because of what He is.

• He is loving
• He is giving
• The best He can give is Himself.
• He has given you the Holy Spirit so that you might have God living within you. Not in a desert sanctuary or a stone temple, but in a living intimate way.
• You can know Him, experience Him, and feel Him.
• He made the universe for you.
• He created you for Him.

That's very nice and all, but that basically loops us around, once again, to what I was just asking: why does he care? Again, he's all powerful and omnipotent, why should he care about our opinions when he "hand-crafted us from the womb"?

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

Does the mystery box also come with a boat? Is the mystery box two boats?? One boat is good enough, but two boats would be two things that are good enough, and when you have two good enoughs, you end up with more than enough good, and then you get an awesome. Is the mystery box an awesome? GIVE ME THE AWESOME NOW.

pianist

It MAY come with a boat... it may even come with an awesome... but if I told you, it wouldn't be a mystery, now would it?

It can still be a mystery. I can keep a secret. I will be super-secret about it. No one will ever know.

[QUOTE="pianist"]

:lol:

I think we've succeeded in totally de-railing this religion topic.

Blood-Scribe

We should do this to every religion topic to ensure that the boards don't get clogged up with boring topics that go on for more than 20 pages. We could be like a special dispatch unit designed to maintain the sanity of the OT board.

I approve of this idea. But it would take a heck of an effort to stop one of these juggernauts. It's like trying to stop a train with a tricycle.

[QUOTE="ItalyCanadian9"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="ItalyCanadian9"]

God wanted to see if they love him or not! God didn't want us to be robots, So he gave them free will. To be obey or disobeyGod IMO maybe wanted them to know that he is GOD! God is the only one who can save you.

-Jiggles-

God cares about how pathetic little pieces of biological matter care about him?

He's ****ing GOD for Christ sakes. Why would he care about the opinions of little hairless apes that he created through sheer boredom? I'd like to know, really.

God wants fellowship with you not because of what you are but because of what He is.

• He is loving
• He is giving
• The best He can give is Himself.
• He has given you the Holy Spirit so that you might have God living within you. Not in a desert sanctuary or a stone temple, but in a living intimate way.
• You can know Him, experience Him, and feel Him.
• He made the universe for you.
• He created you for Him.

That's very nice and all, but that basically loops us around, once again, to what I was just asking: why does he care? Again, he's all powerful and omnipotent, why should he care about our opinions when he "hand-crafted us from the womb"?

You're lucky you didn't grow up in a Catholic orphanage, the nuns would lynch you for that kind of thinking.

[QUOTE="ItalyCanadian9"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

[QUOTE="-theCHUD-"]You know, Jesus died for your sins, if you don't sin, then he died for nothin!-Jiggles-

Seems like Jesus cares for our sins more than he does us.

????????????

All throughout my catholic youth, I've been told that Jesus has died for our sins. I always accepted this and never really questioned it. Through thinking over time, though, it's made me wonder.

Why didn't Jesus die for US, not our sins? By Jesus dying for our sins, it gives me the feeling that he cares about us obeying him and/or his father more than he does caring for ourselves. It seems to me like God is more intent on pleasing himself and making himself feel even more high & mighty than before (which is pointless, because he's "omnipotent").

God wants fellowship with you not because of what you are but because of what He is.

• He is loving
• He is giving
• The best He can give is Himself.
• He has given you the Holy Spirit so that you might have God living within you. Not in a desert sanctuary or a stone temple, but in a living intimate way.
• You can know Him, experience Him, and feel Him.
• He made the universe for you.
• He created you for Him.

God want us to live forever in the kingdom of haven! Jesus die for us! don't you know that!? We will be in HEll right now if it wasn't for Jesus. He die for us! So we can be forgivien & have everlasting Life!