Good and Bad don't exist....to an extent

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#1 The_Solid
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No one is bad,no one is good.It's always about perception.One man's hero is another man's villan.Most People do good things for recognition,which woun't make it good,would it?

It's too damn diffcult seperating these 2,it's just gray.Who agrees?

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#2 11Marcel
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I agree, good and bad are mainly used to get people on someone's side. Still, one can have purely good intentions, but in practice it usually doesn't work out.

I'm convinced the witch burnings were done by decent people too, they just didn't have the intelligence to back things up.

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#3 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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So you can make any act seem good or evil? Regardless of how extreme it is?
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So you can make any act seem good or evil? Regardless of how extreme it is?Jandurin
Let's put it to test Jandurin. List some extreme acts of goodness and evilness and see if they can make them seem good or evil..
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#5 JabbaDaHutt30
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I agree, good and bad are mainly used to get people on someone's side. Still, one can have purely good intentions, but in practice it usually doesn't work out.

I'm convinced the witch burnings were done by decent people too, they just didn't have the intelligence to back things up.

11Marcel

Yeah, right. Regardless if anything is inherently meaningful or not, there are some common opinions on what could be considered good or bad.

Good people don't set innocents on fire. There's a limit, I believe, as to how much can be excused for someone's ignorance.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So you can make any act seem good or evil? Regardless of how extreme it is?dave123321
Let's put it to test Jandurin. List some extreme acts of goodness and evilness and see if they can make them seem good or evil..

First thing in mind would be the holocaust... But maybe to extreme?...
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#7 Ghosty1212
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Well technically for something to feel 'bad' to a person, they needed something to feel 'good' in relation to it. Let's say I go an wizz behind the bushes, and I feel 'bad' about doing it. That's because in relation to what I think is a good thing, is wizzing in the toilet. There is no right or wrong in the world; just the relationship between the two, and how each one is interpreted by the individual.
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]So you can make any act seem good or evil? Regardless of how extreme it is?horgen123
Let's put it to test Jandurin. List some extreme acts of goodness and evilness and see if they can make them seem good or evil..

First thing in mind would be the holocaust... But maybe to extreme?...

dang thats what I was going to say
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]So you can make any act seem good or evil? Regardless of how extreme it is?horgen123
Let's put it to test Jandurin. List some extreme acts of goodness and evilness and see if they can make them seem good or evil..

First thing in mind would be the holocaust... But maybe to extreme?...

Well, since Adolf Hitler thought that the Jews were the cause of all of Germany's problems (and, possibly, the world's problems), he probably thought that what he was doing was a good thing.

I think it was bad, since he murdered millions, but I'm guessing that he thought it was good...

I feel kind of like a dick even saying that:|

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[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="dave123321"] Let's put it to test Jandurin. List some extreme acts of goodness and evilness and see if they can make them seem good or evil..chessmaster1989

First thing in mind would be the holocaust... But maybe to extreme?...

Well, since Adolf Hitler thought that the Jews were the cause of all of Germany's problems (and, possibly, the world's problems), he probably thought that what he was doing was a good thing.

I think it was bad, since he murdered millions, but I'm guessing that he thought it was good...

I feel kind of like a dick even saying that:|

Yeah, but he was wrong because we know that Jews weren't the cause of Germany's problems. Next excuse, please. :P
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The sky is blue.
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Not true. There is some universal truths about good and evil. It's not only about perception. Some actions harm others...they are not perception. An act that doesn't harm anyone may and I stress may.....be more perception. Depends on the quantifiable for harm...and the fact that in another instance the same act can harm another.

Not all acts of "good" are for recognition. Some go unnoticed.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="horgen123"] First thing in mind would be the holocaust... But maybe to extreme?...Funky_Llama

Well, since Adolf Hitler thought that the Jews were the cause of all of Germany's problems (and, possibly, the world's problems), he probably thought that what he was doing was a good thing.

I think it was bad, since he murdered millions, but I'm guessing that he thought it was good...

I feel kind of like a dick even saying that:|

Yeah, but he was wrong because we know that Jews weren't the cause of Germany's problems. Next excuse, please. :P

You missed my point. Since good and evil are relative, Hitler was doing what he thought was good...

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Since you said they don't exist, they do now, regardless of whether or not they did before.
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#15 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Well, since Adolf Hitler thought that the Jews were the cause of all of Germany's problems (and, possibly, the world's problems), he probably thought that what he was doing was a good thing.

I think it was bad, since he murdered millions, but I'm guessing that he thought it was good...

I feel kind of like a dick even saying that:|

chessmaster1989

Yeah, but he was wrong because we know that Jews weren't the cause of Germany's problems. Next excuse, please. :P

You missed my point. Since good and evil are relative, Hitler was doing what he thought was good...

Mm, but he had faulty reasons behind it. We know very well that the Jews weren't the cause of Germany's problems, so that doesn't work as a way of making the Holocaust seem good.
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The sky is blue.DrSponge
Colors are subjective too.
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#17 mindstorm
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If good and bad do not exist then there is no reason why every human being has an understanding of morality at least in some manner. Sure, there are many differing interpretations of morals throughout the world but some things are universal (e.g. murder in life is wrong [be reminded that the definition of life varies across cultures]).
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#18 JabbaDaHutt30
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If good and bad do not exist then there is no reason why every human being has an understanding of morality at least in some manner. Sure, there are many differing interpretations of morals throughout the world but some things are universal (e.g. murder in life is wrong [be reminded that the definition of life varies across cultures]). mindstorm
That does not prove that some things are inherently bad or good though; it just shows that many humans seem to have a common perception of right or wrong on a few subjects.
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#19 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"]The sky is blue.JabbaDaHutt30
Colors are subjective too.

Not true. Blue is always blue and red is always red.
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#20 mattykovax
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I think there are a lot of grey areas,yet I also believe there are some absolutes too. I dont know if i would use the terms you did, I would probably go with Right and Wrong,or things you should do and those you should not. But yes,there are some absolutes in my opinion.
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Our entire justice system--including the very idea of justice itself--must be one giant hypocritical institution, then.
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#22 MetalGear_Ninty
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There is no such thing as absolute good or bad. Nonetheless, we can impose our own artificial 'truths' concerning morality that dictates what is or isn't good or bad.