GOP: $4 Trillion in Savings Too Much - Persue Smaller Deal with No Tax Increases

The GOP has been patently hypocritical on this issue. They have convinced many of their constituents that they are the only party for true fiscal responsibility, that's simply not true. Both the Dems and Republicans realize a hard political fact, that government spending is beneficial and even necessary, the only disagreement is where to spend it. With the Republicans it's tax breaks, oil subsidies, corn subsidies, and defense spending, for all of their fiscally-focused rhetoric about one dollar in cuts for every dollar the debt cieling is raised and not one dollar more they have stringently refused to put one penny in cuts from those areas on the table, and even proposed a defense budget that was billions of dollars more than what the administration wanted. With Democrats it's social programs, green energy, and tax increases aimed at defecit reduction, things that are going to help our economy far more in the long run.

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

Canada has less debt than we do. I propose that we disguise the entire United States as Canada.

JML897

Somebody put this guy in charge.

Pshh

Everyone knows the best plan is to have a coup, and form a new government

Octavia,

Octavia,

the land of no debt,

sure we look like thee other guy,

but we don't pay,

because we aren't

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

Canada has less debt than we do. I propose that we disguise the entire United States as Canada.

dercoo

Somebody put this guy in charge.

Pshh

Everyone knows the best plan is to have a coup, and form a new government

Look 3-4 posts above you!!

>_>

The GOP needs to start compromising, because they seem to say "no" to everything. Sometimes taxes need to be raised, get over it.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="JML897"]

Somebody put this guy in charge.

taj7575

Pshh

Everyone knows the best plan is to have a coup, and form a new government

Look 3-4 posts above you!!

>_>

Do you have an Octavia national anthem,

I think not8)

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

So you're saying that the Republicans don't love to jack up military spending each year, have never given disproportionate tax cuts and incentives to the wealthiest 2% of Americans as well as corporations (see Regan and Bush tax cuts), do not oppose universal healthcare, have never tried to dismantle medicare/medicaid (much less not in the past six months), do not want bans on gay marriage and abortion, do not often use "the war on Christianity" as rhetoric for getting support ("our kids can't pray in schools!"), and do not have a tendency to deny evolutionary theory?

airshocker

Last time I checked the last tax cuts we got were the Bush tax cuts, and they affect everyone. Perhaps you should see them?

Our corporate tax rate is the second highest in the world, and Democrats also approve of the loopholes that allowed GE to pay nothing in taxes. Pot calling kettle black.

No universal healthcare and a dismantling of the current welfare system doesn't sound too bad to me, to be honest. That's all subjective.

How does wanting someone's child to be able to pray in school equate to Republicans wanting to force Christianity on the rest of America? You're grasping at straws.

Yes, the Bush tax cuts affect everyone. However, they barely affected the low and middle class. Only the very wealthy saw any significant benefit.

Most corporations don't pay taxes. Just small businesses.

The "praying in schools" thing was an EXAMPLE. You know what examples are, yes? You may have noticed I listed other examples too. Specifically, banning abortion and gay marriage. It's no secret that the Republicans heavily court evangelical Christians and that this courting has been responsible for much of the GOP's policies since the 90s.

The are childish.

And cold-hearted.

Dear Tea Party, flee to the underworld that spawned you.

90 Percent of the bush tax cuts were for the very wealthy 2 percent of america.

Obama's administrationhas created more jobs in the year 2010 then Bush did in all eight years in office.

Seriously, the Tea party fiends really should be taken out of the Offices so they dont deal any more damage to america

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

So you're saying that the Republicans don't love to jack up military spending each year, have never given disproportionate tax cuts and incentives to the wealthiest 2% of Americans as well as corporations (see Regan and Bush tax cuts), do not oppose universal healthcare, have never tried to dismantle medicare/medicaid (much less not in the past six months), do not want bans on gay marriage and abortion, do not often use "the war on Christianity" as rhetoric for getting support ("our kids can't pray in schools!"), and do not have a tendency to deny evolutionary theory?

gameguy6700

Last time I checked the last tax cuts we got were the Bush tax cuts, and they affect everyone. Perhaps you should see them?

Our corporate tax rate is the second highest in the world, and Democrats also approve of the loopholes that allowed GE to pay nothing in taxes. Pot calling kettle black.

No universal healthcare and a dismantling of the current welfare system doesn't sound too bad to me, to be honest. That's all subjective.

How does wanting someone's child to be able to pray in school equate to Republicans wanting to force Christianity on the rest of America? You're grasping at straws.

Yes, the Bush tax cuts affect everyone. However, they barely affected the low and middle class. Only the very wealthy saw any significant benefit.

Most corporations don't pay taxes. Just small businesses.

The "praying in schools" thing was an EXAMPLE. You know what examples are, yes? You may have noticed I listed other examples too. Specifically, banning abortion and gay marriage. It's no secret that the Republicans heavily court evangelical Christians and that this courting has been responsible for much of the GOP's policies since the 90s.

here is a direct example for you

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Education/2011/0602/Teaching-creationism-Louisiana-law-that-skirts-US-ban-survives-challenge

If the U.S. defaults, the GOP will look like complete asses.

Headline: President wants to compromise, GOP says no.

I can only see how the public would react upon seeing that.

DroidPhysX

I think it's time the whole political ideology is thrown out the window and do what is right for this country. They should reform the tax system and make cuts across the board even if they hurt.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]did you also want a party that refused to negotiate even the interest of their voters? If they had taken the deal they would have gotten massive cuts in medicare and social security to go along with massive cuts (which is something they say they want) for a fairly small percentage of tax hikes.Serraph105

What do four trillion in cuts over a decade do for me right now? Absolutely nothing.

When we're talking about a trillion or two immediately, let me know.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

If the U.S. defaults, the GOP will look like complete asses.

Headline: President wants to compromise, GOP says no.

I can only see how the public would react upon seeing that.

BMD004

Actually you cant, Obama's plan includes budget cuts the republicans have been wanting.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

If the U.S. defaults, the GOP will look like complete asses.

Headline: President wants to compromise, GOP says no.

I can only see how the public would react upon seeing that.

BMD004

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

If the U.S. defaults, the GOP will look like complete asses.

Headline: President wants to compromise, GOP says no.

I can only see how the public would react upon seeing that.

BMD004

Compromise with them? The GOP?

Lets not even go there

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

What do four trillion in cuts over a decade do for me right now? Absolutely nothing.

When we're talking about a trillion or two immediately, let me know.

BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] when that is an actual possibility without crippling the economy, you let me know. Serraph105

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="BMD004"]How will it cripple the econmy? Explain it to me.

BMD004

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="BMD004"]How will it cripple the econmy? Explain it to me.

BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] you do realize that government spending goes to things like education, law enforcement, energy, infrastructure, etc, etc, etc? Right? To cut two trillion from the budget over night would screw all those things up and then some.Ace6301

The gig will eventually be up. When things start getting pretty bad, then maybe they'll finally start shrinking this bloated government. It's just not sustainable. The HAVE to seriously cut spending and they HAVE to reduce this debt. It's completely irresponsible to be running up a tab like this.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="BMD004"]What were we doing before Obama got into office?

BMD004

The gig will eventually be up. When things start getting pretty bad, then maybe they'll finally start shrinking this bloated government. It's just not sustainable. The HAVE to seriously cut spending and they HAVE to reduce this debt. It's completely irresponsible to be running up a tab like this.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="BMD004"]What were we doing before Obama got into office?

BMD004

The gig will eventually be up. When things start getting pretty bad, then maybe they'll finally start shrinking this bloated government. It's just not sustainable. The HAVE to seriously cut spending and they HAVE to reduce this debt. It's completely irresponsible to be running up a tab like this.

and once again currently (just like airshocker) Obama's plan is 50% closer to what both of you want than what the Republicans are currently proposing.

It's actually amazing to watch how fast the republicans backed away from what they claimed to want (medicare and social security cuts) to avoid a relatively small percentage of what they didn't want (that of course being tax hikes).

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Getting deeper in debt because of tax cuts?Ace6301

The gig will eventually be up. When things start getting pretty bad, then maybe they'll finally start shrinking this bloated government. It's just not sustainable. The HAVE to seriously cut spending and they HAVE to reduce this debt. It's completely irresponsible to be running up a tab like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb1n1X0Oqdw

It's dramatized and Ron Paul biased, but a good watch for anyone who wants a sum-up of just how bad things are.

AnnoyedDragon

Thanks for posting. It was an interesting (and sobering) take on things, in spite of the bias.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Getting deeper in debt because of tax cuts?Ace6301

The gig will eventually be up. When things start getting pretty bad, then maybe they'll finally start shrinking this bloated government. It's just not sustainable. The HAVE to seriously cut spending and they HAVE to reduce this debt. It's completely irresponsible to be running up a tab like this.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="BMD004"]I don't advocate necessarily doing what Bush did, either. Look, my point is that the debt is crippling. We may be "fine" now, but if they don't start SERIOUSLY reducing this debt, everything is going to keep getting worse. Foreign holders of U.S. debt are going to continue to invest more and more into their own economies. The dollar will eventually become less desirable, which will make it worth even less. Demand will continue to decrease as foreign debt holders are getting paid back in currency that is worth less.

The gig will eventually be up. When things start getting pretty bad, then maybe they'll finally start shrinking this bloated government. It's just not sustainable. The HAVE to seriously cut spending and they HAVE to reduce this debt. It's completely irresponsible to be running up a tab like this.

BMD004

So then Obama isn't trying to do enough and the Republicans really aren't trying to do enough.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="BMD004"]I don't advocate necessarily doing what Bush did, either. Look, my point is that the debt is crippling. We may be "fine" now, but if they don't start SERIOUSLY reducing this debt, everything is going to keep getting worse. Foreign holders of U.S. debt are going to continue to invest more and more into their own economies. The dollar will eventually become less desirable, which will make it worth even less. Demand will continue to decrease as foreign debt holders are getting paid back in currency that is worth less.

The gig will eventually be up. When things start getting pretty bad, then maybe they'll finally start shrinking this bloated government. It's just not sustainable. The HAVE to seriously cut spending and they HAVE to reduce this debt. It's completely irresponsible to be running up a tab like this.

Serraph105

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] So you're for Obama's plan then right? Since it will decrease the debt faster?Serraph105

So then Obama isn't trying to do enough and the Republicans really aren't trying to do enough.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]It's only decreasing the debt faster because he wants citizens to pay more money to the government. There needs to be bigger cuts over that decade.

BMD004

So then Obama isn't trying to do enough and the Republicans really aren't trying to do enough.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb1n1X0Oqdw

It's dramatized and Ron Paul biased, but a good watch for anyone who wants a sum-up of just how bad things are.

pianist

Thanks for posting. It was an interesting (and sobering) take on things, in spite of the bias.

so basically the GOP is hypocritical

who knew

It just shows how childish that party is.

The democrats are actually talking about major spending cuts, something Republicans are always whining about and something that they never do, and Republicans can't even give them a small compromise.

It really shows where republicans interests are.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

If the U.S. defaults, the GOP will look like complete asses.

Headline: President wants to compromise, GOP says no.

I can only see how the public would react upon seeing that.

Ace6301

[QUOTE="pianist"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb1n1X0Oqdw

It's dramatized and Ron Paul biased, but a good watch for anyone who wants a sum-up of just how bad things are.

gameguy6700

Thanks for posting. It was an interesting (and sobering) take on things, in spite of the bias.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="pianist"]

Thanks for posting. It was an interesting (and sobering) take on things, in spite of the bias.

BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"] I stopped watching when they suggested that to fix the problem we get rid of the Department of Education and minimum wage.Ace6301

but then we could have mass employment. Just like India.

Republicans being are being ridiculous, this one of the things I actually agree with Obama on.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"] I stopped watching when they suggested that to fix the problem we get rid of the Department of Education and minimum wage.Ace6301

Two things.

First, misleading subject line is misleading (it also shows how biased the TC likely is).

Second, you do realize that it was Obama himself, not too long ago, that claimed Raising Taxes (even on the rich) is "The last thing you want to do."

Obama's own words from not too long ago: "We have not proposed a tax hike for the wealthy that would take effect in the middle of a recession. Even the proposals that have come out of Congress – which by the way were different from the proposals I put forward – still wouldn't kick in until after the recession was over. So he's absolutely right, the last thing you want to do is raise taxes in the middle of a recession because that would just suck up – take more demand out of the economy and put business further in a hole."

If this was during the 2004 election cycle, the term "Flip Flop" would likely have been used.

bull cuts over 10 years are bull i would not accept any plans beyond 2012, but i really have no say in the matter either way. GS may now continue the political party rage, because there is obviously one correct and one incorrect party.

bull cuts over 10 years are bull i would not accept any plans beyond 2012, but i really have no say in the matter either way. GS may now continue the political party rage, because there is obviously one correct and one incorrect party.

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

bull cuts over 10 years are bull i would not accept any plans beyond 2012, but i really have no say in the matter either way. GS may now continue the political party rage, because there is obviously one correct and one incorrect party.

YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="LaytonsCat"]

The people have to look at Greece and then empty their wallets. This debt is incredibly disastrous. If I ran a nation I wouldn't accept debt from the US

We're actually in worst debt than greece and have none of the benefits.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

bull cuts over 10 years are bull i would not accept any plans beyond 2012, but i really have no say in the matter either way. GS may now continue the political party rage, because there is obviously one correct and one incorrect party.

Those plans always crack me up. No one wants to cut anything now because it would cost them votes. So they put it off on the next gen and so forth. That's why debt planning is so difficult. Elected officials have no incentive to fix it.sonicare

That's the nature of politics. Reelection trumps policy change, if it alienates your constituents.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

bull cuts over 10 years are bull i would not accept any plans beyond 2012, but i really have no say in the matter either way. GS may now continue the political party rage, because there is obviously one correct and one incorrect party.

sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Those plans always crack me up. No one wants to cut anything now because it would cost them votes. So they put it off on the next gen and so forth. That's why debt planning is so difficult. Elected officials have no incentive to fix it.CycleOfViolence

That's the nature of politics. Reelection trumps policy change, if it alienates your constituents.

[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Those plans always crack me up. No one wants to cut anything now because it would cost them votes. So they put it off on the next gen and so forth. That's why debt planning is so difficult. Elected officials have no incentive to fix it.sonicare

That's the nature of politics. Reelection trumps policy change, if it alienates your constituents.