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#51 Puiumami
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[QUOTE="the_leet_kid"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="StanleyL"]You are correct, the Christianization of Rome in the 4th century is a big reason Christianity is so dominant today. In fact, for any religion to really be dominant it usually takes a political force to back it. But remember that the Roman empire was previously "pagan", worshiping the ancient religion of Olympus. The Roman empire left behind an old faith based on natural disasters and superstition in favor of a different faith that is based on teachings from someone who lived in the Roman empire just a few hundred years ago. Not to say anything of if Jesus really was the Messiah or if Mohammed really was a divine prophet, but being able to follow documented teaching is much more comforting as a religion than following word-of-mouth folklore. To illustrate with a gaming example, there's a reason why the tech tree in Civilization starts with Mysticism, then to Polytheism, then to Monotheism. It's a natural progression of society that we've seen happen throughout history where ancient folk religions are cast away in favor of "divinely-inspired" leadership. helium_flash

Yes, i was just stating one of the reasons. If i recall correctly, wasn't it Constantine that made Christianity the religion of the Holy Roman Empire over the Pagan religions? I always heard that he chose Christianity over Pagan because he was able to forsee that Christianity would eventually prevail, even though Constantine was a Pagan himself.

But yea, i'm sure that there were numerous different reason.

I thought he basically just said, If God helps me win this battle, I'll be christian. So he had crosses painted on everyone's shields, and he won. Correct me if I'm misreferencing.

I may be wrong.  I'm not too sure if it was Constantine or Charlemagne who turned the Roman Empire into Christianity.  I looked it up, and you were right, Constantine did paint the crosses on his shield so i think it was Charlemagne. 

Well since both of you are historically innacurate, your both wrong as far as that matters. You refer to the Roman Empire as the Holy Roman Empire. The Holy Roman Empire is present day Germany.

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#52 TheJustin
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[QUOTE="TheJustin"]Ok. I don't believe in god. I'm an Atheist, but there is ONE thing that makes me question whether or not a god actually DOES exist. Explain to me this.

Out of ALL the people riding the roller coaster ALL day. Who is the one hit by a bird?


That's right FABIO!!!

Why him? Out of all those people? There is only one logical answer I could come up with. And it went against my personal beliefs. And that answer was God was and IS jealous of Fabio.
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Thank you attention wh0re. Now let the sensible people speak.



You're anal. See I can call you names too. Honestly, why quote it and post about it at all if it somehow offended you?
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#53 gs_gear
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Ok. I don't believe in god. I'm an Atheist, but there is ONE thing that makes me question whether or not a god actually DOES exist. Explain to me this.

Out of ALL the people riding the roller coaster ALL day. Who is the one hit by a bird?


That's right FABIO!!!

Why him? Out of all those people? There is only one logical answer I could come up with. And it went against my personal beliefs. And that answer was God was and IS jealous of Fabio.
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No maybe the bird was jealous. :P
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#54 deactivated-60a3c754d0a16
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I've thought a lot about the topic creator's question, and for me it all comes down to this.

If you look at the whole of human history, very rarely do humans leave difficult questions unanswered for long. That's not to say that we satisfactorily answer the questions, but thatwe usually make up our own answers when the real answers are presently beyond our reach.

Religious examples include everything from the Sun, to the cause of disease, the origin of lightning and thunder, conception, the tides, etc. How many events, large and small, have been mistakenly attributed to the direct influence of a supernatural being in human history? More than you or I could ever count, I'm sure.

But answering our own questions isn't the only problem. We also have a habit of focusing on the wrong questions. For example, for centuries we asked ourselves what happens to water at the end of the Earth rather than questioning whether or not the Earth was actually flat to begin with. There's nothing wrong with asking the wrong questions. After all, they often lead to the right ones. The point is not to assume that we're asking the right questions to begin with.

For example, do you ever find yourself asking, "How did it all begin?" Perhaps there was no beginning as we understand it and the better question is "What is that nature of all that is?" Or how about, "What is the meaning of life?" Perhaps the better question is, "How do I give my life meaning." Or perhaps not. Who knows?

I just wish we'd stop making assumptions and stop being so fricken arrogant that we attribute the "unexplainable" to a diety. If there is a diety it's probably smacking it's forehead equivalient due to all of the rediculous phenomena humans have attributed (and continue to attribute) to it over the years.

 

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#55 yermomsboxx
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I've thought a lot about the topic creator's question, and for me it all comes down to this.

If you look at the whole of human history, very rarely do humans leave difficult questions unanswered for long. That's not to say that we satisfactorily answer the questions, but thatwe usually make up our own answers when the real answers are presently beyond our reach.

Religious examples include everything from the Sun, to the cause of disease, the origin of lightning and thunder, conception, the tides, etc. How many events, large and small, have been mistakenly attributed to the direct influence of a supernatural being in human history? More than you or I could ever count, I'm sure.

But answering our own questions isn't the only problem. We also have a habit of focusing on the wrong questions. For example, for centuries we asked ourselves what happens to water at the end of the Earth rather than questioning whether or not the Earth was actually flat to begin with. There's nothing wrong with asking the wrong questions. After all, they often lead to the right ones. The point is not to assume that we're asking the right questions to begin with.

For example, do you ever find yourself asking, "How did it all begin?" Perhaps there was no beginning as we understand it and the better question is "What is that nature of all that is?" Or how about, "What is the meaning of life?" Perhaps the better question is, "How do I give my life meaning." Or perhaps not. Who knows?

I just wish we'd stop making assumptions and stop being so fricken arrogant that we attribute the "unexplainable" to a diety. If there is a diety it's probably smacking it's forehead equivalient due to all of the rediculous phenomena humans have attributed (and continue to attribute) to it over the years.

 

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More or less my thoughts on the subject (but put much more eloquently than I would have the patience tonight). I've come to the ultimate conclusion that since there really is no sure fire way to understand which belief is the correct one, or if there is even a correct one at all, I will put my trust in what makes sense to me. I've had too many dogmatic quarrels with professors of their own versions of the Word before coming to the realization that my version was just as legitimate, at least to myself, and in the end I think that's all that really matters.
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About 2,000 years or more ago, we had very little knowelge about the Earth. The people back then didnt have an explination for Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Tornado's, Rain or any natural phenomena. In the Bible it says God destroyed city's and punished people. Isnt it possible, that it was infact just bad wheather that destroyed all the city's. Stuff like Earthquakes and that. Because we didnt have an explination for it all back then, people thought God created Rain, Tornado's and Earthquakes to punish them, when infact it is natural. People must of worshipped lightning back then, because it made loud noise and they thought it was God doing that.

So I need an answer for this. Isnt it possible, that the whole idea of God came up because we had very little knowelge about the Earth back then. Things that people couldnt explain back then, they probly just said it was God's doings.

I am Religious myself, but I cannot answer this questions. So please Religious people answer this questions for me.

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Do you think that is the only reason? up for you to decide not me. I won't answer.
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#57 Herrick
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Secondly, you say "things that people couldnt explain back then, they probly just said it was God's doings". Now let me ask you, why would you attribute the people of ancient times to be that stupid? Just because you are taught that they were stupid compared to us does not make it so. In fact if you would take time to explore ancient civilizations you would have indeed realized they were not stupid at all. If you observe other texts, for this instance we shall discuss Indian mythology and history, you would see that the Indians wrote many times about 'Vimanas'. Now these are attributed to be flying machines of the Indian literature and culture of 15 000 years past. More importantly is that the Chinese and Korean writings also have similar writings. I will not simply write it out for you, search for knowledge it is out there. People were not stupid.Puiumami

How does having similar stories about "flying machines" show that they weren't "stupid" in some respects? 

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#58 MichaeltheCM
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It certainly is possible, but that is where faith comes in. If you believe in God, then you may believe that He set up the mechanisms that cause such things to happen, knowing beforehand. Or you might not, I don't much care.yermomsboxx
exactly i believe it was God. they did have science back then and did know what earthquakes were ex: New Testament when the stone was rolled away from Jesus' tomb they mention in the Bible that there was an earthquake so not everything was just Nature. God controlled that part as well.
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[QUOTE="yermomsboxx"]It certainly is possible, but that is where faith comes in. If you believe in God, then you may believe that He set up the mechanisms that cause such things to happen, knowing beforehand. Or you might not, I don't much care.MichaeltheCM
exactly i believe it was God. they did have science back then and did know what earthquakes were ex: New Testament when the stone was rolled away from Jesus' tomb they mention in the Bible that there was an earthquake so not everything was just Nature. God controlled that part as well.

Yeah. I've seen too many miracles in my life not to believe.
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#60 bastards12345
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They also used to bleed people, thinking it healed them.
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I've taken a step back from ascribing events as the work of God. I used to believe that God created Hurricane Katrina, because in a sense the devastating hurricane saved 50000 people since they were able to evacuate the places impacted before the hurricane came. New Orleans was a poorly located city anyway, but I've again stepped back on it because I felt too sure of that feeling that it somewhat caught me by surprise. I believe God works within people, but people can work from God. That's how I see it. I believe that God created the Big Bang and has modestly allowed the parameters of our design to evolve to who we are today. And clearly given the eyewitness accounts of Jesus Christ, I have no reason why I shouldn't believe in God or Christ to be quite honest, although I am sure there's always a counterpoint that a nonbeliever may mention that could conflict, which I take it in granted. and for consideration. How could I not live if there were not a disbeliever to dispute those claims? But to say God did this certain event on April 2, 2007 seems too much of an unprovable assumption. For one reason, I honestly don't know how God works, and it's not truly necessary in hindsight. I'm not God, so how could I even comprehend his omnipotence and his will if I don't have his omniscience? I can only conclude that there is one based on my belief and perspective and that he rules over me, no matter what superstitions people may place on him. I see upon coincidences simply as that, as fear that I may ascribe something that isn't. I have faith in God, so I give it to His hands, and let His will make my hands work instead of my brain question His majesty. I don't think I need to know how God works within my life, but that he's always present in my life, whether in the potential of nature of in spirit, I've concluded that it probably matters not. The only and final conclusion that I can see is that we as humans, or at least believers, prefer to ascribe in any good work as God's doing. While I can definitely see where their point comes from, I'm not sure as to whether support it entirely or not. I give my inferior motives to God's control. Perhaps it is all just a trick of the mind to suppose these things but I suppose there lies a superior motive that I must resign myself upon and only turn my shoulder and look, giving control of what I cannot control to the uncomprehending power of God. Or does he work within me for the events of which I can control; that this my work of which I should earn? I'm preaching primarily, but I'm also trying to state my viewpoint as both as a Christian and as an attempt of freethinking of the nature's divine configuration. The viewpoint may not be compatible with someone else, but I see it that we live on the same world and we try to get the same points across and only strive for truthfulness, if only our beliefs did not hinder them but enhanced them, but at this rate we can only put our beliefs at odds in the hopes of what we believe is right.
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They also used to bleed people, thinking it healed them.bastards12345
Leeches are still used......
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#63 bastards12345
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"]They also used to bleed people, thinking it healed them.LJS9502_basic
Leeches are still used......

Where?
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#64 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]They also used to bleed people, thinking it healed them.bastards12345
Leeches are still used......

Where?

Hospitals....here.
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]They also used to bleed people, thinking it healed them.LJS9502_basic
Leeches are still used......

Where?

Hospitals....here.

That doesn't remove illness...
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#66 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"] That doesn't remove illness...

They eat dead skin on burn victims........
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#67 bastards12345
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"] That doesn't remove illness...

They eat dead skin on burn victims........

Not the same thing.:| Off to bed...later.
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#68 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"] That doesn't remove illness...bastards12345
They eat dead skin on burn victims........

Not the same thing.:| Off to bed...later.

Yeah...it was just an observation....I didn't claim they cured illness. See ya.
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#69 gs_gear
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"] That doesn't remove illness...LJS9502_basic
They eat dead skin on burn victims........

I think they only suck blood.:|   But yeah they are used today.
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#70 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"] That doesn't remove illness...gs_gear
They eat dead skin on burn victims........

I think they only suck blood.:|   But yeah they are used today.

Whatever.....I couldn't deal with it.
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I like how this went from a topic about God's works to leeches...keep it up...
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Check into Norgeigan mythology Oden and Thor stuff

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