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#1 kbubba92
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If u went back in time and shot your grandfather before he had your father as a child what would happen?
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#2 DoctorFunk
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If u went back in time and shot your grandfather before he had your father as a child what would happen?kbubba92
Nothing would happen, because you'd wake from that dream.
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#3 kbubba92
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its not a dream its hypothetical
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#4 jakeboudville
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You're cease to exist..
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#5 TheHimura
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You would just disappear.
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#6 needled24-7
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It would be like you never existed. Because if you went back in time, you wouldn't know or have anything you did after the time you went back to.
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#7 DoctorFunk
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its not a dream its hypotheticalkbubba92
You'd be your own grandfather.
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#8 BEAN_LARD_MULCH
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You would just disappear.TheHimura

But then how could you exist to shoot your grandfather if hes dead. This paradox is why I dont think ttime travel is possible
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#9 zakkro
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It depends, I guess the universe will end. Sweet.
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#10 Ian23
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nothing would happen, because you would kill him dissapear but then if you dissapear then you wouldn't be able to go back from the future to shoot him so you would come back...maybe.

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#11 Apollo5000
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If u went back in time and shot your grandfather before he had your father as a child what would happen?kbubba92
What do you mean "what would happen?", its a paradox... Do you expect a logical answer here....
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#13 DoctorFunk
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You would still be born, because your grandma sleept with the mail main.hummer700
A great post, unfortunately you had to make a typo on ''mail man''. Shame on you.
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#14 Apollo5000
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You would still be born, because your grandma sleept with the mail man.

(im half asleep, give me a break:P )

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Though i am giving you a break. I shall still aid you with this. The Grandfather Paradox states you go back and kill your Grandfather, just because you don't know its him doesn't mean it still wouldn't work out. Hell it doesn't even have to be Grandfather Paradox, if you go back in time and kill someone who creates something that allows you to build a time machine, you'd still be in the same situation.
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#15 JustPlainLucas
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Very interesting question.  I believe that if you went back and shot your grandfather, you would still live on as the present is ever-moving, thus why you continue to exist.  I've always been the one to subscribe to the idea that what you change in the past won't affect your present.  The past would move along a different timeline, but yours would carry out as it always has.
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#16 Apollo5000
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Very interesting question. I believe that if you went back and shot your grandfather, you would still live on as the present is ever-moving, thus why you continue to exist. I've always been the one to subscribe to the idea that what you change in the past won't affect your present. The past would move along a different timeline, but yours would carry out as it always has.JustPlainLucas
That is assuming of course that there are different timelines and not one constantly updated timeline/timeloop.
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#17 Devouring_One
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Then you would never have gone back in time to shoot your grandfather because you wouldn't be born.
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#18 BEAN_LARD_MULCH
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Then you would never have gone back in time to shoot your grandfather because you wouldn't be born.Devouring_One

Exactly
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#19 Video_Game_King
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Very interesting question. I believe that if you went back and shot your grandfather, you would still live on as the present is ever-moving, thus why you continue to exist. I've always been the one to subscribe to the idea that what you change in the past won't affect your present. The past would move along a different timeline, but yours would carry out as it always has.JustPlainLucas

Or maybe your trying to kill your grandfather would end up with him getting laid. Awesome. 

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#20 JustPlainLucas
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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Very interesting question. I believe that if you went back and shot your grandfather, you would still live on as the present is ever-moving, thus why you continue to exist. I've always been the one to subscribe to the idea that what you change in the past won't affect your present. The past would move along a different timeline, but yours would carry out as it always has.Apollo5000
That is assuming of course that there are different timelines and not one constantly updated timeline/timeloop.

If you think about it, there has to be mutliple timelines.  How else can you explain being able to go back and shoot your grandfather?  If it was a constantly updated timeline, you would never have existed had you shot your grandfather, thus your grandfather would have never been shot.

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#21 towel_
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If his grandfather dies before the father is born, then the time traveler cannot be born. But if the time traveler is never born, how can he have traveled back in time in the first place?

 

I like thinking about stuff like this, though. 

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#22 BEAN_LARD_MULCH
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[QUOTE="Apollo5000"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Very interesting question. I believe that if you went back and shot your grandfather, you would still live on as the present is ever-moving, thus why you continue to exist. I've always been the one to subscribe to the idea that what you change in the past won't affect your present. The past would move along a different timeline, but yours would carry out as it always has.JustPlainLucas

That is assuming of course that there are different timelines and not one constantly updated timeline/timeloop.

If you think about it, there has to be mutliple timelines. How else can you explain being able to go back and shoot your grandfather? If it was a constantly updated timeline, you would never have existed had you shot your grandfather, thus your grandfather would have never been shot.

Thats why I dont believe that time travel is possible
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#23 branketra
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You might create an alternate reality where you don't exist, you might end up being your own grandpa (*wink, wink*)...or you might just shoot the wrong guy...

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#24 Teuvan
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Read Rant by Chuck Palahniuk. Everyone. Now. It pwnz the grandfather paradox.
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#25 Termite551
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I guess you would cease to exits. But you would not be able to exist in the past so you would not be able to kill your grandfather which would cause you to stop living...but if you were to be able to send a message to the past (There is a machine that is said to send messages to any time which has the machine, so from now on we can send messages to the past as long as the machine exists in that time hyphotheticaly) you could tell someone to kill your grandfather..but since doing that would make you non-existent you would not be able to send the message......phew. If you go half way every time, you will never reach the end (This is actually true you will never reach something if you go half of what you did before everytime, 100 yard field, you go 50 yards, you go 25 yards, you go 12.5 you go half of that and so on) If you must "Love thy neighbor" and they try to actively kill you, if you are killed you can no longer love them, and if you restrain them, that is not considered loving them anymore.... my head hurts
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#26 Zeke129
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If you do that, he won't die but the sperm you came from will. It's the universe's way of saying "quit ****ing around".
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#27 foxhound_fox
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This is something that cannot be answered due to the fact that trying to comprehend time travel is nearly impossible... and playing around with time paradoxes in your mind makes it hurt.
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#28 kbubba92
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Then you would never have gone back in time to shoot your grandfather because you wouldn't be born.Devouring_One

but then if u never were born u never couldve killed your grandfather 

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#29 skinnypete91
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oooh.. you would have changed history!
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#30 hokies1313
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Well seeing as time travel is impossible, no matter what tech level we are at, you would just be a man without a family.

Now we live in 10 dimensions, while only being aware of 3. The 4th Dimension is time, and thus can't be changed, no matter how hard you work, you can go back in time. You can however travel to another universe where things are slightly different from our own universe. You could shoot your grandfather, but nothing would happen to you, because you grandfather had you in the other universe.

So basically, if you went into the other Universe ( let's call it B ) and shot your grandfather, nothing would happen to you, because your original universe ( A ) is still effective, you just aren't currently in it.

So no matter what happens in B it fails to affect A.

Go here if you want to learn about our dimensions, it really does make sense: Link

Edit: Fixed broken link. 

 

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#31 Chris-Hansen
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you would go to jail :?


but in reality i tdont think this type of time travel is possible but another time is. like moving through time at different speeds and stuff. thats how aliens come to earth from billions of light years away, they travel through time faster or slow time down and move through it however you want to think of it. there is different dimensions but they arent like people think, its in the bible, jesus walked through a wall in front of the desciples but it was because he was in a diff dimension at the time.
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#32 double_decker
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I would think you would either disappear from existence or drastically change due to having different parents from altering the past.
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#33 jimmy-fly
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you wouldnt be able to... something would keep on happening to prevent you from killing him
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#34 Bourbons3
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Michael J Fox would vanish from that picture
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#35 jimmy-fly
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Michael J Fox would vanish from that pictureBourbons3

that was such an awesome movie 

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#36 Bourbons3
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]Michael J Fox would vanish from that picturejimmy-fly

that was such an awesome movie

Yep
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#37 Greatgone12
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It's impossible for that to happen because you would cease to exist after your grandfather died, meaning that you would never have existed in the first place, so you could never shoot your grandfather in the first place.

Time travel doesn't exist, BTW. 

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#38 Apollo5000
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[QUOTE="Apollo5000"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Very interesting question. I believe that if you went back and shot your grandfather, you would still live on as the present is ever-moving, thus why you continue to exist. I've always been the one to subscribe to the idea that what you change in the past won't affect your present. The past would move along a different timeline, but yours would carry out as it always has.JustPlainLucas

That is assuming of course that there are different timelines and not one constantly updated timeline/timeloop.

If you think about it, there has to be mutliple timelines. How else can you explain being able to go back and shoot your grandfather? If it was a constantly updated timeline, you would never have existed had you shot your grandfather, thus your grandfather would have never been shot.

Hence the paradox. Its okay to assume that theres multiple timelines in a hypothetical situation. Also continuing on from what you said. "thus your grandfather would never have been shot" then you would still be born and still have the ability to travel back and kill him.
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#39 CHAOSWEAV3R
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I made a thread about this a while back, and it got me thinking. Somebody posted that if this were possible, the current time line- in which you exist and travel in to the past to attempt to kill your grandfather, would jump to an alternate one- in which you traveled to the past and did not kill your grandfather. Perhaps in that time line you changed your mind about jumping back in time.
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#40 SpaceMoose
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Well, let's suppose it was possible to travel back in time:

Since you are there, you'd already be in an alternate history to begin with.  You would actually be the product of a timeline that no longer exists except in your memory, except that in some sense it does have to exist or you couldn't have travelled back in time to begin with.  So while everything else has essentially moved backwards in time, you have not.  Basically the new "past" is not actually your past.  If it was, you would not be able to be in the past in the first place, because you would remember the past that you are actually helping to create, which is itself another paradox.  The new modified version is actually, from your perspective, the present and future.

If you shot your own grandfather, it would prevent a genetically identical person to yourself (presumably with the same name and similar personality, as long as you didn't directly interfere) from coming into existance.

And since paradoxes logically cannot happen, it would seemingly have to work that way (again, assuming "time travel" was actually possible).

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#41 crackajacks
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Parallel universies and what not. You would still exist except if you ever made it back to your time/universe you would have never exsited and there would be no history of you while you would still have all of your what not.
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#42 selbie
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You would still exist. Shooting your grandfather would just create a separate chain of events to an alternate timeline.
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#43 Memoryitis
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freakin going back in time would create an alternate dimension your other self would cease to exist but u wont
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#44 Foolio1
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That situation is impossible because if you were successful then you wouldn't have existed in the first place to commit the act.
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#45 The_PirateKing
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~-~You would fail. Time is always going forward so you going back in time and attempting to kill him already happened but since you're here you must of failed. Or another thing is time is like Teleportation right? It pulls you apart on a sub atomic level and rebuilds you in a different place. In time traveling wise that place would be in the past. I don't know about you but being chopped up into that many little pieces seams a bit fatal to me. To the people in the past's point of view, they see some crazy electrical stuff or whatever, they see you standing there in the same position you were when you went back and with the same expression. And then you just fall over, you're body went back but it didn't bring "you" with it. It doesn't matter if you believe "you" is a spirit or random elegiacal impulses either way you lost it when you were pulled into a uber gillion pieces.~-~
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#46 masterchief2512
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I don't believe you can make a hypothetical about something that isn't even theoretically possible.  If it weren't possible with today's technology, but there was sound evidence to point as what could happen then you could extrapolate further, but as it is there is no reason to believe that what you just said could even possibly happen, so no one has a clue as to what would happen if it did. 

As for the single/multiple timelines, Theoretically there couldn't be only single timeline but time travel still be possible.  That would mean essentially that time is an illusion as everything would happen at once and it would be impossible for someone to not create a time paradox at one point or another, thus nullifying existence for all time.

Side note: You (TC) should probably look up the term "paradox". 

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I guess you would cease to exits. But you would not be able to exist in the past so you would not be able to kill your grandfather which would cause you to stop living...but if you were to be able to send a message to the past (There is a machine that is said to send messages to any time which has the machine, so from now on we can send messages to the past as long as the machine exists in that time hyphotheticaly) you could tell someone to kill your grandfather..but since doing that would make you non-existent you would not be able to send the message......phew. If you go half way every time, you will never reach the end (This is actually true you will never reach something if you go half of what you did before everytime, 100 yard field, you go 50 yards, you go 25 yards, you go 12.5 you go half of that and so on) If you must "Love thy neighbor" and they try to actively kill you, if you are killed you can no longer love them, and if you restrain them, that is not considered loving them anymore.... my head hurtsTermite551
The idea of a message machine to the future is crap, thats just plain not true
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#48 dommeus
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If u went back in time and shot your grandfather before he had your father as a child what would happen?kbubba92

Do you want to shoot your Grandfather or something? Should we be alerting the care police?

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#49 204259106jk
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A new history would be created where you don't exist in the future.
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#50 arab_prince
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Well then you will realise the woman that was supposed to be your grandmother isnt, becuase youre still alive. Then, since youre an idiot you will sleep with her and make your father :)