Greece on brink of chaos as refugees riot over forced return to Turkey.

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The Greek government is bracing itself for violence ahead of the European Union implementing a landmark deal that, from Monday, will see Syrian refugees and migrants being deported back to Turkey en masse.

Rioting and rebellion by thousands of entrapped refugees across Greece has triggered mounting fears in Athens over the practicality of enforcing an agreement already marred by growing concerns over its legality. Islands have become flashpoints, with as many as 800 people breaking out of a detention centre on Chios on Friday.

“We are expecting violence. People in despair tend to be violent,” the leftist-led government’s migration spokesman, Giorgos Kyritsis, told the Observer. “The whole philosophy of the deal is to deter human trafficking [into Europe] from the Turkish coast, but it is going to be difficult and we are trying to use a soft approach. These are people have fled war. They are not criminals.”

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I blame Hillary.

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#2  Edited By mark1974
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I blame ISIS.

...Hillary did have a cat named Isis though, some kind of conspiracy there.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-childhood-pet-cat-named-isis-article-1.2544011

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Saudi Arabia should take 3 million of them. Well America should take half of them Europe nor Japan should take the burden of this proxy war which the Saudis and America started.

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@magicalclick: Turkey should buy a wall, and have Europe pay for it.

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Chaos?

I'll need my bolter.

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Just get the violence over now and be done with it.

It will either be now on terms you control or later in a situation with less control by whatever state entity we are talking about.

Since the violence is inevitable it seems pretty selfish to push it off until it is someone elses responsibility.

I mean yeah it is ugly and horrible and all that but reality is reality and it is time to talk about the immorality of destroying your own culture just so you can put a checkmark on your diversity bingo card.

Hell, the plain fact of the matter is that homogenous cultures are cultures with very little friction and you don't have any of these bullshit social issues.

As much as it pains me to say it the 21st century has basically proven without a shadow of a doubt that diversity is the most destructive force we have ever seen and a death sentence to aboriginal cultures.

Lol right? Generally accepted dogma boned again. What a shocker.

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@Riverwolf007 said:

As much as it pains me to say it the 21st century has basically proven without a shadow of a doubt that diversity is the most destructive force we have ever seen and a death sentence to aboriginal cultures.

That should bode ill for the US, shouldn't it? After all, the US has long prided itself on being a "melting pot" of cultures from all over the world and exhibits significant heterogeneity in virtually all categories, including race, culture, national origin, religion, wealth, economic stratum, education etc.

Can only Trump save us from the imminent apocalypse?

:-P

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@Riverwolf007 said:

Just get the violence over now and be done with it.

It will either be now on terms you control or later in a situation with less control by whatever state entity we are talking about.

Since the violence is inevitable it seems pretty selfish to push it off until it is someone elses responsibility.

I mean yeah it is ugly and horrible and all that but reality is reality and it is time to talk about the immorality of destroying your own culture just so you can put a checkmark on your diversity bingo card.

Hell, the plain fact of the matter is that homogenous cultures are cultures with very little friction and you don't have any of these bullshit social issues.

As much as it pains me to say it the 21st century has basically proven without a shadow of a doubt that diversity is the most destructive force we have ever seen and a death sentence to aboriginal cultures.

Lol right? Generally accepted dogma boned again. What a shocker.

I'm confused. Take my city for example. There is a lot of Black on Black murder and a lot of Hispanic on Hispanic murder. Diversity doesn't seem to cause problems here. The diverse neighborhoods have low crime. In the middle east Muslims are killing muslims. Other than the Israeli Palestinian conflict I can't think of a lot of examples. The Syrians are fleeing Syria because other Syrians are killing them. Different religions fight but not so much races.

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@mark1974 said:
@Riverwolf007 said:

Just get the violence over now and be done with it.

It will either be now on terms you control or later in a situation with less control by whatever state entity we are talking about.

Since the violence is inevitable it seems pretty selfish to push it off until it is someone elses responsibility.

I mean yeah it is ugly and horrible and all that but reality is reality and it is time to talk about the immorality of destroying your own culture just so you can put a checkmark on your diversity bingo card.

Hell, the plain fact of the matter is that homogenous cultures are cultures with very little friction and you don't have any of these bullshit social issues.

As much as it pains me to say it the 21st century has basically proven without a shadow of a doubt that diversity is the most destructive force we have ever seen and a death sentence to aboriginal cultures.

Lol right? Generally accepted dogma boned again. What a shocker.

I'm confused. Take my city for example. There is a lot of Black on Black murder and a lot of Hispanic on Hispanic murder. Diversity doesn't seem to cause problems here. The diverse neighborhoods have low crime. In the middle east Muslims are killing muslims. Other than the Israeli Palestinian conflict I can't think of a lot of examples. The Syrians are fleeing Syria because other Syrians are killing them. Different religions fight but not so much races.

Many also uses the war as an excuse to flee while in reality they are economic refugees. 2/3 or more of those reaching Europe are men.

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@horgen: That sounds very likely.

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@horgen: That sounds very likely.

Depending on where I read the numbers actually ranges from 70% to 75% being men. The last 25-30% are women and children.

While we hear all about how these refugees are (mis)treated, the women and children left behind are the ones really suffering.

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@mark1974: I'm talking about the cultural replacement that is currently going on all across europe. How many islamic terror bombings have happened in japan or china where they won't let anyone in that specifically resist assimilating?

Why do you think the saudis absolutely refuse to take *cough* "refugees" *cough*?

They know exactly what is going on and refuse to allow it.

europeans are only now beginning to wake up to the forced integration of europe and the dangers it has already proven to hold..

check out this little nugget that was not covered in the media at all.

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@Riverwolf007: I would guess that Japan and China do not have terrorist bombings because they don't interfere with what is going on in the middle east. I wish America would do the same. And Saudi Arabia is already crazy, I don't know how life could be much worse there.

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@mark1974 said:

@Riverwolf007: I would guess that Japan and China do not have terrorist bombings because they don't interfere with what is going on in the middle east. I wish America would do the same. And Saudi Arabia is already crazy, I don't know how life could be much worse there.

Brussels interferes with the middle east?

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@Riverwolf007:Europe has walked lockstep with America in destabilizing the Middle East. The headquarters of NATO is in Brussels? I have no idea what terrorists do or why but I would imagine it's along these lines.

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@CommandoAgent: I would rather there not be an uptick in rape and terrorist attacks in the US.

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@mark1974 said:

@Riverwolf007:Europe has walked lockstep with America in destabilizing the Middle East. The headquarters of NATO is in Brussels? I have no idea what terrorists do or why but I would imagine it's along these lines.

what does any of that have to do with my original point?

europe is being inundated with forces that are destabilizing it and forced diversity is destructive to the aboriginal culture.

that is how simple this is but once again we have to go on a victim blaming tangent so that we can justify people laying in the street blown apart and bleeding out.

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@Riverwolf007: Huh? You just asked me why Brussels was attacked by saying, "Brussels interferes with the middle east?" in regards to my explanation why Japan and China are not attacked. The other things you state are not my personal opinion one way or the other.

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@Stesilaus said:
@Riverwolf007 said:

As much as it pains me to say it the 21st century has basically proven without a shadow of a doubt that diversity is the most destructive force we have ever seen and a death sentence to aboriginal cultures.

That should bode ill for the US, shouldn't it? After all, the US has long prided itself on being a "melting pot" of cultures from all over the world and exhibits significant heterogeneity in virtually all categories, including race, culture, national origin, religion, wealth, economic stratum, education etc.

Can only Trump save us from the imminent apocalypse?

:-P

well traditionally people that emigrated to the u.s. could not wait to throw away the crap from their original culture and try something else in a different way.

as long as that is the future we are good to go.

we love the huddled masses we just don't want the masses huddled in a basement plotting against us in the house next door.

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@mark1974 said:

@Riverwolf007: Huh? You just asked me why Brussels was attacked by saying, "Brussels interferes with the middle east?" in regards to my explanation why Japan and China are not attacked. The other things you state are not my personal opinion one way or the other.

Brussels has been a haven of acceptance for the people of middle east but it did not help them one bit.

terrorists attacked them the same as they attack everyone else.

the Brussels attacks show exactly what the problem here is.

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@Riverwolf007 said:
@mark1974 said:

@Riverwolf007: Huh? You just asked me why Brussels was attacked by saying, "Brussels interferes with the middle east?" in regards to my explanation why Japan and China are not attacked. The other things you state are not my personal opinion one way or the other.

Brussels has been a haven of acceptance for the people of middle east but it did not help them one bit.

terrorists attacked them the same as they attack everyone else.

the Brussels attacks show exactly what the problem here is.

Terrorists are assholes.

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@mark1974 said:
@Riverwolf007 said:
@mark1974 said:

@Riverwolf007: Huh? You just asked me why Brussels was attacked by saying, "Brussels interferes with the middle east?" in regards to my explanation why Japan and China are not attacked. The other things you state are not my personal opinion one way or the other.

Brussels has been a haven of acceptance for the people of middle east but it did not help them one bit.

terrorists attacked them the same as they attack everyone else.

the Brussels attacks show exactly what the problem here is.

Terrorists are assholes.

well i have always believed that is relative to the observer but the important thing here is you guys better start looking at how the destabilization of europe is going to work out in the long run.

how long will it be before france decides the only way this problem can be fixed is to occupy belgum for its own good?

i know france has a certain reputation but i can assure you that is bullshit. the french have almost always fielded effective combat forces and have no problem whatsoever projecting their power and if you have a terror factory next door at some point the obvious fix is to knock down the factory.

belgum has shown they can't fix the problem or are unwilling to and in fact seem to go out of their way to make it even worse as shown here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/17/world/europe/belgium-says-law-limiting-raids-may-have-allowed-suspect-in-paris-attacks-to-escape.html

and here.

http://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-terror-attacks-questioned-salah-abdeslam-for-only-one-hour-before-terror-attacks/

if you guys think what's left of the european nation states can't be plunged into war over things like this then you read different history books than the ones i do.

the orban vid i posted above is basically the hungarian prime minister drawing a line in the sand and daring the e.u. to cross it.

it takes very little imagination to see where this stuff leads.

hopefully i'm wrong.

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Meh, just checked outside, Greece is not sunk, for now.

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Poor Greece. I mean, if they were not screwed before the whole refugee situation, well they sure are now.

@Ant_17 said:

Meh, just checked outside, Greece is not sunk, for now.

Is it as bad as everyone thinks? I recall you saying you live there. Hope you're doing OK.

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It's only going to get worst. I've been saying it for years. And people from the regressive left and SJWs just call us racist for their brownie points. Some cultures are drastically different, to the point where they cannot co-exist. We're seeing it now and it's only going to get more evident. On top of that, there is the financial burden. Do people really expect Greece to support all of the these migrants?

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@SOedipus: @horgen:

Do they not have jobs for them?

Hispanics in the US have worked out pretty well. Some people complain about lost jobs but that's bullcrap.

Just curious; I'm thoroughly convinced if you give people work, something to live for, they'll adapt. People rarely bite the hand that feeds them.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

@SOedipus: @horgen:

Do they not have jobs for them?

Hispanics in the US have worked out pretty well. Some people complain about lost jobs but that's bullcrap.

Just curious; I'm thoroughly convinced if you give people work, something to live for, they'll adapt. People rarely bite the hand that feeds them.

First off, not a really good comparison. Secondly, who should make jobs for them, Greece or all European countries? Germany should just make a million jobs available, for many who do not even speak nor understand their language? I wish it were all butterflies and rainbows too.

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@mark1974 said:
@Riverwolf007 said:

Just get the violence over now and be done with it.

It will either be now on terms you control or later in a situation with less control by whatever state entity we are talking about.

Since the violence is inevitable it seems pretty selfish to push it off until it is someone elses responsibility.

I mean yeah it is ugly and horrible and all that but reality is reality and it is time to talk about the immorality of destroying your own culture just so you can put a checkmark on your diversity bingo card.

Hell, the plain fact of the matter is that homogenous cultures are cultures with very little friction and you don't have any of these bullshit social issues.

As much as it pains me to say it the 21st century has basically proven without a shadow of a doubt that diversity is the most destructive force we have ever seen and a death sentence to aboriginal cultures.

Lol right? Generally accepted dogma boned again. What a shocker.

I'm confused. Take my city for example. There is a lot of Black on Black murder and a lot of Hispanic on Hispanic murder. Diversity doesn't seem to cause problems here. The diverse neighborhoods have low crime. In the middle east Muslims are killing muslims. Other than the Israeli Palestinian conflict I can't think of a lot of examples. The Syrians are fleeing Syria because other Syrians are killing them. Different religions fight but not so much races.

Critical point here. This is why I oppose BLM and am not a big fan of organized religion. Most "hate" is propagated by religious texts that define a moral code that excludes or demeans individuals based on gender, sexual orientation, or cultural beliefs.

Whether there's less crime in muli-cultural neighborhoods vs. others is beyond my knowledge, but there really isn't a representative figure on violence inflicted on another individual as a direct result of racial non-conformity.

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@SOedipus said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

@SOedipus: @horgen:

Do they not have jobs for them?

Hispanics in the US have worked out pretty well. Some people complain about lost jobs but that's bullcrap.

Just curious; I'm thoroughly convinced if you give people work, something to live for, they'll adapt. People rarely bite the hand that feeds them.

First off, not a really good comparison. Secondly, who should make jobs for them, Greece or all European countries? Germany should just make a million jobs available, for many who do not even speak nor understand their language? I wish it were all butterflies and rainbows too.

This is the utopian cultural standard of the leftist. We can just have a better society upon request. To be honest, America accepting immigrants makes no sense with our unemployment rate.

The circular logic is that leftists are all about subsidizing living standards for the poor, yet If we don't have jobs to help these people out of poverty, then how can you desire a completely dissolved border that would only take food out of the mouths of the people already living in poverty.

It's noble to want to help everyone, but it's not realistic. This is where I wait for someone to engage me on "how did you get here then?".