H0mosexuality is unnatural.

Yeah, im not against Homosexuality, and some of your theories on Natural-UnNatural are a little off (although they are intersesting). And im guessing what you mean when you say UnNatural is that it isnt, for lack of a better term, Normal I suppose, but your not against it. Gah, I really didnt mean to sound offensive when I said "Not Normal", but I mean it isnt in line with evolution / christianity. Am I right Wii4Panta?

dijji497

[QUOTE="MuddVader"] Whos asking for priority? >.> Justy leave them be, they arent harming the human race in any way besides not being able to reproduce, but that means little considering they are the minority. We arent asking that you take part in homosexual activites, we just want you to be accepting of what they do because there is no harm done in their activities. You didnt understand my albino statement btw. Just because its 1 in a million doesnt mean that it wasnt the natural course of things. We didnt alter that childs genes to make them albino so therefore they are naturaly Albino, there is nothing wrong with them, they should not be discriminated against though it is considered an abnormality to be Albino. And I dont understand your last sentance ._. It confuses me lol.teddyrob

I have every intention of leaving them be, they can do as they please but this isn't the meaning of the thread. The meaning whether it was natural or not. I explained many times now that it is unnatural to me. It is natural to them but not to me because I don't do that. It deviates from the norm therefore unnatural. I'm sure you are finding difficulty with the words being used, as are many others. I blame your education.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unnatural

meaning 3. deviates from the norm.

Hm.... I despise nature, but I am gay If homosexuality is natural, then.... oh ****!:shock:

Oh, and I agree with OP, though worded a tad differently. >.>

(GS won't let me put a period in between gay and if >_>)

But teddyrob, who are you to draw the line at what voids the norm? Goth's can be specified as "deviating from the norm", (which some consider odd) but does that make them unnatural? Are scientologists unnatural? Your reference is bogus, because some things that deviate from the norm arent actually unnatural. Its mainly a matter of opinion (of what is deviating from the norm like I stated with Goths, there not unnatural even if they deviate from the norm). Oh and I definately agree with MuddVader.dijji497

The majority determines the norm not me. Maybe do a thread on Goths if you want to talk about them otherwise you are going offtopic and that derails the true agrument and discussion that is going on here and turns it into a Goth thread. It seems the way to try to beat an argument down is talk about other off topic subjects. Let's get back to the subject matter.

[QUOTE="MuddVader"] Whos asking for priority? >.> Justy leave them be, they arent harming the human race in any way besides not being able to reproduce, but that means little considering they are the minority. We arent asking that you take part in homosexual activites, we just want you to be accepting of what they do because there is no harm done in their activities. You didnt understand my albino statement btw. Just because its 1 in a million doesnt mean that it wasnt the natural course of things. We didnt alter that childs genes to make them albino so therefore they are naturaly Albino, there is nothing wrong with them, they should not be discriminated against though it is considered an abnormality to be Albino. And I dont understand your last sentance ._. It confuses me lol.teddyrob

I have every intention of leaving them be, they can do as they please but this isn't the meaning of the thread. The meaning whether it was natural or not. I explained many times now that it is unnatural to me. It is natural to them but not to me because I don't do that. It deviates from the norm therefore unnatural. I'm sure you are finding difficulty with the words being used, as are many others. I blame your education.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unnatural

meaning 3. deviates from the norm.

umm i think its natural cus i never chose to be gay so it must be:|

I'm not an idiot, just that last sentance felt all over the place, it probably wasnt but I wasnt comprehending it right and I didnt want to make a comment on something I didnt fully understand. Get off of your pedestal, its unhealthy. This is the definition of Natural that I favor and the one that I see as whats in question. Is it by natures will that gays are as they are? The answer is "Yes" "8 a: occurring in conformity with the ordinary course of nature : not marvelous or supernatural b: formulated by human reason alone rather than revelation " Nothing caused the homosexuality besides the own human mind forming that ideal without interference so it is natural. Even in gay families with adopted children the children will still be straight if that is the way they are meant to be because you cant change sexual preference.MuddVader

I'm understanding where you are coming from now. You believe that homosexuals are born this way and that is natural for them. Well I would disagree that they are born homosexual. Babies are not born with a sexual preference, they aquire this around puberty. This may be not fully formed at that age and a period of experimentation may take place until they decide who they really are.

Could somebody please tell me why the natural/unnaturalness of the thing matters at all? People are more or less arguing from a moral standpoint, and nature has nothing to do with morals; it is arguably perfectly natural to kill somebody that wants the same food as I do and it is arguably natural for me to walk around bare-ass naked in the mall on a Saturday but that doesn't make either action morally acceptable, and on the flip side it isn't natural or immoral to use an air conditioner, now is it? Whether homosexuality is natural or not changes nothing whatsoever about its existence, so I can't help but wonder: why the hell does it matter?

Could somebody please tell me why the natural/unnaturalness of the thing matters at all? People are more or less arguing from a moral standpoint, and nature has nothing to do with morals; it is arguably perfectly natural to kill somebody that wants the same food as I do and it is arguably natural for me to walk around bare-ass naked in the mall on a Saturday but that doesn't make either action morally acceptable, and on the flip side it isn't natural or immoral to use an air conditioner, now is it? Whether homosexuality is natural or not changes nothing whatsoever about its existence, so I can't help but wonder: why the hell does it matter?

Theokhoth

"1: based on an inherent sense of right and wrong " The word natural actually has everything to do with morality in a specific context.MuddVader

Yes, but the definition of "natural" changes within that context; we deviate from biologically natural and into ethically natural.

it is arguably perfectly natural to kill somebody that wants the same food as I do Theokhoth

McDonalds would have a massacre everyday if that were true.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

it is arguably perfectly natural to kill somebody that wants the same food as I do teddyrob

McDonalds would have a massacre everyday if that were true.

No, they'd have a massacre every day if people confused "naturally" with "morally acceptable" all the time.

[QUOTE="MuddVader"] "1: based on an inherent sense of right and wrong " The word natural actually has everything to do with morality in a specific context.Theokhoth

Yes, but the definition of "natural" changes within that context; we deviate from biologically natural and into ethically natural.

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

it is arguably perfectly natural to kill somebody that wants the same food as I do Theokhoth

McDonalds would have a massacre everyday if that were true.

No, they'd have a massacre every day if people confused "naturally" with "morally acceptable" all the time.

It's not natural to kill somebody that wants the same food as I do. There is enough food for everyone.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unnatural

1 You would be violating the natural law by killing somebody.

2.Deviating from a behavioral or social norm.

It is not natural to kill and never will be.

brb calling bro to tell what his doing is unnatural.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

McDonalds would have a massacre everyday if that were true.

teddyrob

No, they'd have a massacre every day if people confused "naturally" with "morally acceptable" all the time.

It's not natural to kill somebody that wants the same food as I do. There is enough food for everyone.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unnatural

1 You would be violating the natural law by killing somebody.

2.Deviating from a behavioral or social norm.

The natural law is survival of the fittest.

Then I guess homosexuality is unnatural after all! I'm glad this has been resolved. Good day.

The natural law is survival of the fittest.

Theokhoth

How long would you survive in jail?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The natural law is survival of the fittest.

teddyrob

How long would you survive in jail?

Quite a while; I think they'd like my ass enough to want to keep me alive.

Quite a while; I think they'd like my ass enough to want to keep me alive.

Theokhoth

Gross. That's so unnatural.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Quite a while; I think they'd like my ass enough to want to keep me alive.

teddyrob

Gross. That's so unnatural.

Yeah, but neither are prisons. Or their showers.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

McDonalds would have a massacre everyday if that were true.

teddyrob

No, they'd have a massacre every day if people confused "naturally" with "morally acceptable" all the time.

It's not natural to kill somebody that wants the same food as I do. There is enough food for everyone.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unnatural

1 You would be violating the natural law by killing somebody.

2.Deviating from a behavioral or social norm.

It is not natural to kill and never will be.

social norm= natural is flawed cause the social norm changes over time.

social norm= natural is flawed cause the social norm changes over time.

SamusFreak

It does shift slightly back and forth but the natural law of the world is timeless and that has always been man+ woman otherwise the species wouldn't go on. So you got to thank us hetros for giving lifeto youhomos.

[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

social norm= natural is flawed cause the social norm changes over time.

teddyrob

It does shift slightly back and forth but the natural law of the world is timeless and that has always been man+ woman otherwise the species wouldn't go on. So you got to thank us hetros for giving lifeto youhomos.

Or we used to, until the male species became obsolete in terms of reproduction. :D

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

social norm= natural is flawed cause the social norm changes over time.

Theokhoth

It does shift slightly back and forth but the natural law of the world is timeless and that has always been man+ woman otherwise the species wouldn't go on. So you got to thank us hetros for giving lifeto youhomos.

Or we used to, until the male species became obsolete in terms of reproduction. :D

those are teh requirements for reproduction, not for sex

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

It does shift slightly back and forth but the natural law of the world is timeless and that has always been man+ woman otherwise the species wouldn't go on. So you got to thank us hetros for giving lifeto youhomos.

SamusFreak

Or we used to, until the male species became obsolete in terms of reproduction. :D

those are teh requirements for reproduction, not for sex

Yes give thanks to us. You owe us for making you.

[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Or we used to, until the male species became obsolete in terms of reproduction. :D

teddyrob

those are teh requirements for reproduction, not for sex

there are other types of reproduction that came before sexual, and humans werent the first species to use that form of reproduction.

Yes give thanks to us. You owe us for making you.

EDIT: my bad

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

It does shift slightly back and forth but the natural law of the world is timeless and that has always been man+ woman otherwise the species wouldn't go on. So you got to thank us hetros for giving lifeto youhomos.

SamusFreak

Or we used to, until the male species became obsolete in terms of reproduction. :D

those are teh requirements for reproduction, not for sex

Yes, but you see, gays can have sex, and he's talking about making life, which is reproduction. :P

I'm perfectly fine around people who choose to be that way sexually and totally respect their right to do so. It's just not the same choice I make, natural or otherwise.double_decker

I'm perfectly fine around people who choose to be that way sexually and totally respect their right to do so. It's just not the same choice I make, natural or otherwise.double_decker

[QUOTE="MuddVader"] I'm not an idiot, just that last sentance felt all over the place, it probably wasnt but I wasnt comprehending it right and I didnt want to make a comment on something I didnt fully understand. Get off of your pedestal, its unhealthy. This is the definition of Natural that I favor and the one that I see as whats in question. Is it by natures will that gays are as they are? The answer is "Yes" "8 a: occurring in conformity with the ordinary course of nature : not marvelous or supernatural b: formulated by human reason alone rather than revelation " Nothing caused the homosexuality besides the own human mind forming that ideal without interference so it is natural. Even in gay families with adopted children the children will still be straight if that is the way they are meant to be because you cant change sexual preference.teddyrob

I'm understanding where you are coming from now. You believe that homosexuals are born this way and that is natural for them. Well I would disagree that they are born homosexual. Babies are not born with a sexual preference, they aquire this around puberty. This may be not fully formed at that age and a period of experimentation may take place until they decide who they really are.

its not a choice:(...well for me at least

marluxia101

That's where the trouble begins. Nobody chooses to be gay It's not a "lifestyle."Droymac

[QUOTE="marluxia101"]

its not a choice:(...well for me at least

double_decker

That's where the trouble begins. Nobody chooses to be gay It's not a "lifestyle."Droymac

NOPE its too late:evil: you shall be my late night snack:twisted:...:Papollogy accepted

marluxia101

I'm just going to say "no" and move on with my life.scorch-62

Me too.

itd probably be better for the world if there were more homosexual ppl out there. The world population is nearly 7 bn

[QUOTE="dijji497"]But teddyrob, who are you to draw the line at what voids the norm? Goth's can be specified as "deviating from the norm", (which some consider odd) but does that make them unnatural? Are scientologists unnatural? Your reference is bogus, because some things that deviate from the norm arent actually unnatural. Its mainly a matter of opinion (of what is deviating from the norm like I stated with Goths, there not unnatural even if they deviate from the norm). Oh and I definately agree with MuddVader.teddyrob

The majority determines the norm not me. Maybe do a thread on Goths if you want to talk about them otherwise you are going offtopic and that derails the true agrument and discussion that is going on here and turns it into a Goth thread. It seems the way to try to beat an argument down is talk about other off topic subjects. Let's get back to the subject matter.

Is love natural?

In yo face!

End of discussion. I win. You can't choose who you love, stop looking at things as black and white and gray and sex and sexual feelings.

(((NOTE: The below post is supporting homosexuality! (I'm surprised I need to clarify it. ))))

Since a penis is meant to fit into a vagina.

But if you think about it...

1) Speaking is not natural since our mouths are meant to chew food.

2) Wearing clothes is not natural since we were meant to have hair for that purpose.

3) Cutting our hair is not natural since...um..well...they do not cut themselves or something...I don't know :P

4) Playing video games is not natural

5) Posting on OT is not natural.

But I've heard an argument: Animals can turn to homosexuality so that makes it natural to be homosexual.

But are animals' actions natural?

I've seen monkeys rubbing themselves with leaves which contain a special chemical to repel off insects.

Parrots have the ability to simulate speach.

A tiger had a dog as a partner.

A lion was parenting some cats.

A chicken was also parenting some ducks (or the other way around) etc.

So I guess nature is unnutural sometimes. Keep in mind that we're not programmed robots or something.

Personally I'm a straight man and homosexuality is unnatural in my book. But that's not a bad thing I guess, afterall. Nature isn't perfect.

[spoiler] You know that effect which occurs after you repeat a word to much? Well yes I got that with the word "natural" >_>.) [/spoiler]

(also it surprises me to see the word homosexuality being censored in the title)

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Quite a while; I think they'd like my ass enough to want to keep me alive.

Gross. That's so unnatural.

Yeah, but neither are prisons. Or their showers.

But I've heard an argument: Animals can turn to homosexuality so that makes it natural to be homosexual.

But are animals' actions natural?

I've seen monkeys rubbing themselves with leaves which contain a special chemical to repel off insects.

Parrots have the ability to simulate speach.wii4panta

Instincts. And I would say instincts are natural.

Parrots simulate human speech, just as they would simulate their parents "speech". If a parrot were to be raised by a cow, it would simulate the cow's sounds.

A monkey repelling bugs off of itself is just as natural. If I think I understand what you meant, you meant the opposite - that it was weird. It's just as natural as a monkey using stones to crack open hard fruits.