I think the woman is an idiot TBH and I think she really killed Mccains campaign.
That women really shouldn't have any power whatsoever and if the Republican party is smart they will abandon her.
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I think the woman is an idiot TBH and I think she really killed Mccains campaign.
That women really shouldn't have any power whatsoever and if the Republican party is smart they will abandon her.
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="duxup"] I don't even buy that. It might get some specific groups in the party excited but I know plenty of republicans who were not pleased with her. "Rallying the base" has become this phrase that seems to justify any canidate's actions without recognizing that more and more Americans are not affiliated with a party. I heard a lot about Pailin doing a good job rallying the base during the election, how much base rallying could have done when they lost traditionally Republican states...? If you've really rallied the base then you should at least be holding your home turf.duxup
:| Palin gave the McCain campaign a huge boost when she was picked. I'm currently reading Newsweek's issue solely on the campaign/election and Palin caused MccCain's rally audiences to swell to Obama-like numbers. That's "rallying the base" to me.
And I think you misunderstood me. Palin certainly rallied the core / diehard Repub base. The same base that would vote for Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Beck, etc in a heartbeat.
I wasn't referring to moderate Repubs
Everyone gets a convention bump. Short of picking a rock you'll get a convention bump in the pols. That doesn't mean whomever is picked there has given them a bump because of who they are. If anything the appeal of a candidate is demonstrated over time, and Pailin's appeal declined greatly.You can call it what you want, rallying the core or base, but I'd say you're rallying squat if you're not getting enough people excited to hold your home turf.
All I know is that the core/diehard Repubs weren't excited about McCain until he picked Palin.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "home turf". If McCain had held every state GWB won, then he'd be Prez.
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] How do explain her success? mysterylobster
She was likeable (I didn't like her, but apparently a lot of people did). She had a type of populist appeal (nothing on Mr. Populist, by which I mean Joe Biden, but she still had some). For some reason, that gets votes:|
A lot of people have those qualities. Few, however, climb as high as Sarah. You just know she's smart like a fox. You could tell when she completely destroyed Biden in their debate.Were we watching different debates? I was under the impression that Biden destroyed Palin..
[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]A lot of people have those qualities. Few, however, climb as high as Sarah. You just know she's smart like a fox. You could tell when she completely destroyed Biden in their debate.She was likeable (I didn't like her, but apparently a lot of people did). She had a type of populist appeal (nothing on Mr. Populist, by which I mean Joe Biden, but she still had some). For some reason, that gets votes:|
chessmaster1989
Were we watching different debates? I was under the impression that Biden destroyed Palin..
Most liberals I talked to were surprised that she at least held her own against him. And to think, she had no part in national politics just weeks before. She had to absorb all that information and be able to think on her feet. If that's not a sign of intelligence, I don't know what is. Sarah is clearly one of the brightest politicians in America. I'm proud that we share the same party.Sarah is clearly one of the brightest politicians in America. mysterylobsterYou are certainly in the vast minority in thinking that. Also, if holding your own = victory, then that certainly is not someone that needs to be in a position of power in this country.
[QUOTE="mysterylobster"] Sarah is clearly one of the brightest politicians in America. Engrish_MajorYou are certainly in the vast minority in thinking that. Also, if holding your own = victory, then that certainly is not someone that needs to be in a position of power in this country. Oh, I think she clearly won in a convincing fashion. I was just talking about what I heard from some liberals.
Sarah has excelled at her job of running an entire state. That takes some serious brains.
I understand why a lot of liberals would hate Sarah when she was a threat to Obama, but now that the two are working together and she is far away in Alaska, does anyone want to admit that she is a likeable person after all? Even if you disagree with her politics, you have to admit she's a refreshing change from your typical politician. I hope she's the new face of the Conservative movement, what do you think now that the election is over? mysterylobsterA threat to Obama? :lol: The woman is a half wit and wholly unexperienced for the authority of vice president.
Oh, I think she clearly won in a convincing fashion. mysterylobsterYou're in the minority in thinking that too. Anyway, we talked about this a few months ago. Well, heres to Palin 2012!! :D
Have not really thought of her at all in recent months.dave123321Yeah I agree. Since election day, I haven't really cared.
[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]I understand why a lot of liberals would hate Sarah when she was a threat to Obama, but now that the two are working together and she is far away in Alaska, does anyone want to admit that she is a likeable person after all? Even if you disagree with her politics, you have to admit she's a refreshing change from your typical politician. I hope she's the new face of the Conservative movement, what do you think now that the election is over? Red-XIIIA threat to Obama? :lol: The woman is a half wit and wholly unexperienced for the authority of vice president. Heck yes she was a threat. The media knew this the minute she ended her speech at the convention. That's why they went on the attack.
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] Heck yes she was a threat. The media knew this the minute she ended her speech at the convention. That's why they went on the attack. mysterylobster:lol: they didn't have to attack! She did all of the work for them. First she gives one of the most memorable speeches in recent history and they're silent. Then she gives one bad interview and all of a sudden they jump on her and call her a moron. I call that an attack. I do think that the press made an effort to portray her as a complete, mindless idiot. Saturday night live certainly did. I highly doubt she was stupid. Some people just aren't good public speakers and that can give the impression that you aren't intelligent. Likewise some people are articulate but not necessarily smart. However, I do think that Palin was underqualified for that post. She may be a candidate in the future, but I believe she needs more experience before seriously considering the top post in the country.
I understand why a lot of liberals would hate Sarah when she was a threat to Obama, but now that the two are working together and she is far away in Alaska, does anyone want to admit that she is a likeable person after all? Even if you disagree with her politics, you have to admit she's a refreshing change from your typical politician. I hope she's the new face of the Conservative movement, what do you think now that the election is over? mysterylobster
I want her to run in 2012. Seriously.
[QUOTE="Red-XIII"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]I understand why a lot of liberals would hate Sarah when she was a threat to Obama, but now that the two are working together and she is far away in Alaska, does anyone want to admit that she is a likeable person after all? Even if you disagree with her politics, you have to admit she's a refreshing change from your typical politician. I hope she's the new face of the Conservative movement, what do you think now that the election is over? mysterylobsterA threat to Obama? :lol: The woman is a half wit and wholly unexperienced for the authority of vice president. Heck yes she was a threat. The media knew this the minute she ended her speech at the convention. That's why they went on the attack. :lol: The woman can't even string together a coherent argument on national television and you want her helping running your country? Wonders never cease.
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Were we watching different debates? I was under the impression that Biden destroyed Palin..
GabuEx
That's what the public thought, too.
Here you come with all this "evidence" and "proof".. :P But yeah during the election Palin was a joke, and now after it, shes still a joke.. So no my opinion has not changed..[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Were we watching different debates? I was under the impression that Biden destroyed Palin..
warbmxjohn
That's what the public thought, too.
Here you come with all this "evidence" and "proof".. :P But yeah during the election Palin was a joke, and now after it, shes still a joke.. So no my opinion has not changed.. The media convinced the public before the debate that Palin is a moron. That's why so many people said she did better than expected.I'll bet many of you have a hard time admitting any right wing Christian is intelligent.
[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]Here you come with all this "evidence" and "proof".. :P But yeah during the election Palin was a joke, and now after it, shes still a joke.. So no my opinion has not changed.. The media convinced the public before the debate that Palin is a moron. That's why so many people said she did better than expected.That's what the public thought, too.
mysterylobster
I'll bet many of you have a hard time admitting any right wing Christian is intelligent.
Actually I think Bobby Jindal is quite intelligent and he's a Republican Catholic. :?[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]Here you come with all this "evidence" and "proof".. :P But yeah during the election Palin was a joke, and now after it, shes still a joke.. So no my opinion has not changed..Maniacc1The media convinced the public before the debate that Palin is a moron. That's why so many people said she did better than expected.
I'll bet many of you have a hard time admitting any right wing Christian is intelligent.
Actually I think Bobby Jindal is quite intelligent and he's a Republican Catholic. :? Well, Jindal is the smartest man in America.[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] The media convinced the public before the debate that Palin is a moron. That's why so many people said she did better than expected.Actually I think Bobby Jindal is quite intelligent and he's a Republican Catholic. :? Well, Jindal is the smartest man in America. So I proved ya wrong! :PI'll bet many of you have a hard time admitting any right wing Christian is intelligent.
mysterylobster
Why would you want her to be the face of anything? Just because she is a women? Because she is hardly articulate and can't argue for ****.
However, she is a great speaker. I'll give her that
Because she is hardly articulate ...
However, she is a great speaker. I'll give her that
Dark-Sithious
You contradicted yourself a little. ;)
Anyone who thinks Sarah Palin is stupid has their opinions fed to them by MSNBC. She does need to learn how to articulate much better though. Most of America does not look at that alaskan twang as intelligent superheromonkeyPalin needed no help from the media to convince us shes an idiot. Have you seen her damage control interview almost a month ago blaming Katie Couric!?
No, it frightens me that she appears to be setting herself up for viability in 2012. The GNP needs to go back towards more traditional conservatism. This Neocon garbage is a sick abomination of everything conservative. If she is really the only hope for the GNP, they are in huge trouble.
[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] The media convinced the public before the debate that Palin is a moron. That's why so many people said she did better than expected.Actually I think Bobby Jindal is quite intelligent and he's a Republican Catholic. :? Well, Jindal is the smartest man in America. Maybe, minus the whole young earth creation thingy theory he believes in.I'll bet many of you have a hard time admitting any right wing Christian is intelligent.
mysterylobster
Anyone who thinks Sarah Palin is stupid has their opinions fed to them by MSNBC. She does need to learn how to articulate much better though. Most of America does not look at that alaskan twang as intelligent superheromonkeyOr people might think she is stupid because she can't name a Supreme court case besides Roe v. Wade and when asked which specific newspapers does she read she responds by saying "All of 'em" without naming a single one.
[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] A lot of people have those qualities. Few, however, climb as high as Sarah. You just know she's smart like a fox. You could tell when she completely destroyed Biden in their debate. Ingenemployeeyou are correct on that.... she is exactly as smart as a fox is...
hey, that was totally uncalled for... you really should give the fox a little more credit.
i lol'd[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] A lot of people have those qualities. Few, however, climb as high as Sarah. You just know she's smart like a fox. You could tell when she completely destroyed Biden in their debate. mysterylobster
Were we watching different debates? I was under the impression that Biden destroyed Palin..
Most liberals I talked to were surprised that she at least held her own against him. And to think, she had no part in national politics just weeks before. She had to absorb all that information and be able to think on her feet. If that's not a sign of intelligence, I don't know what is. Sarah is clearly one of the brightest politicians in America. I'm proud that we share the same party.No, she is not. Her "arguments" were no more than a string of campaign lines and slogans; the most blatant example is when she stated, after pausing for a moment to gather her thoughts, that "Obama [was] waving the white flag of surrender."
If that's intellect, I would hate to see what you call stupidity.
Compared to Joe Biden, she looked like an amateur.
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