[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mikegtfc"] May I ask what country you're from? Seeing as it has no relevance to the discussion, i will say no. :) Seeing as it does, then I will ask again, What country are you residing in? I'm from the UK and a lot of the dislike towards Islam goes both ways, as a white person I feel personally intimated by a group of muslims just as much as I do a group of footie hooligans.
No it has nothing to do with it at all. :) If you feel intimidated by a group of muslims, that is your issue. That is not license to discriminate against innocent people. If you felt intimidated by a group of black people would you want action taken against all non-whites, too?
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mikegtfc"] May I ask what country you're from?mikegtfc
Seeing as it has no relevance to the discussion, i will say no. :) Seeing as it does, then I will ask again, What country are you residing in? I'm from the UK and a lot of the dislike towards Islam goes both ways, as a white person I feel personally intimated by a group of muslims just as much as I do a group of footie hooligans.
You may feel intimidated, but remember, that is your homeland.
You may feel intimidated, but remember, that is your homeland.
Ninja-Hippo
And it's theirs too. :| If you felt intimidated by a group of white people, would the reaction be the same? I rarely see protests against such things. uh, no. Muslimsdid not originate in England. They immigrated there.
You may feel intimidated, but remember, that is your homeland.
herpderp9000
And it's theirs too. :| If you felt intimidated by a group of white people, would the reaction be the same? I rarely see protests against such things. uh, no. Muslims. They immigrated there. You're saying all muslims are immigrants? :|
[QUOTE="mikegtfc"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mikegtfc"] May I ask what country you're from? Seeing as it has no relevance to the discussion, i will say no. :) Seeing as it does, then I will ask again, What country are you residing in? I'm from the UK and a lot of the dislike towards Islam goes both ways, as a white person I feel personally intimated by a group of muslims just as much as I do a group of footie hooligans. He's from the United States.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Sadly muslims are the modern day equivalent of innocent black people in the 20th century, or the invisible communist boogiemen of the 50s and 60s. The media is a sad and evil institution. MaxPred2010
Black people didn't fly planes into buildings, behead people or stone little girls to death, did they? I must have missed that day of Black History Month. All Muslims do those terrible things, right?
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Like what? "Ban muslim pedophiles from England"? Who doesn't agree with banning pedophiles from your country?herpderp9000
....and why are muslims paedophiles again? :? Well, Muhamad was a pedophile, but I can't say that for all muslims.(I am sorry if that fact offends anyone, but the fact is he married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9. The is the definition of a pedophile in anyone's book.) And the sign said: "Stop the Paedophile Invasion of England" upon review, it didn't even mention Islam. So where are these hateful and racist signs about Islam in the video? Also, how can you be racist towards a religion. Any source for that?
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] ....and why are muslims paedophiles again? :?dramaybaz
Well, Muhamad was a pedophile, but I can't say that for all muslims.(I am sorry if that fact offends anyone, but the fact is he married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9. The is the definition of a pedophile in anyone's book.) And the sign said: "Stop the Paedophile Invasion of England" upon review, it didn't even mention Islam. So where are these hateful and racist signs about Islam in the video? Also, how can you be racist towards a religion. Any source for that? And here we go.
[QUOTE="mikegtfc"][QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="mikegtfc"] Likely due to have Muhammed as a prophet. Huh? The prophet Muhammed was a pedophile. And I am baffled at that. Since I have never heard or read such a thing.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] And it's theirs too. :| If you felt intimidated by a group of white people, would the reaction be the same? I rarely see protests against such things.
uh, no. Muslims. They immigrated there. You're saying all muslims are immigrants? :| No. But the majority of muslims in england did not have ancestors there, and therefore it is not their homeland.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Sadly muslims are the modern day equivalent of innocent black people in the 20th century, or the invisible communist boogiemen of the 50s and 60s. The media is a sad and evil institution. MaxPred2010
Black people didn't fly planes into buildings, behead people or stone little girls to death, did they? I must have missed that day of Black History Month. So you think all 1.3 billion muslims in the world get together and vote on these things every time an extremist does something bad?
[QUOTE="mikegtfc"][QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Well, Muhamad was a pedophile, but I can't say that for all muslims.(I am sorry if that fact offends anyone, but the fact is he married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9. The is the definition of a pedophile in anyone's book.) And the sign said: "Stop the Paedophile Invasion of England" upon review, it didn't even mention Islam. So where are these hateful and racist signs about Islam in the video? Also, how can you be racist towards a religion. Any source for that? And here we go. Something wrong with asking that?
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] uh, no. Muslims. They immigrated there.herpderp9000
You're saying all muslims are immigrants? :| No. But the majority of muslims in england did not have ancestors there, and therefore it is not their homeland. Baseless statistics? Quick fact; i don't have ancestors in england. Am i a second class citizen then?
I don't see a problem with Protesting Sharia Law. :?
Ninja-Hippo
Perhaps the fact that they chant 'we hate muslims' at their demonstrations? :? Can you point out to me at which point in the video you heard them say or chant this?
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] uh, no. Muslims. They immigrated there.herpderp9000
You're saying all muslims are immigrants? :| No. But the majority of muslims in england did not have ancestors there, and therefore it is not their homeland. The majority of Malaysians in England did not have ancestors there. Should they be kicked out as well?
[QUOTE="MaxPred2010"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Sadly muslims are the modern day equivalent of innocent black people in the 20th century, or the invisible communist boogiemen of the 50s and 60s. The media is a sad and evil institution. ghoklebutter
Black people didn't fly planes into buildings, behead people or stone little girls to death, did they? I must have missed that day of Black History Month. All Muslims do those terrible things, right? All muslims follow the same religion which causes people to do those things.
[QUOTE="mikegtfc"][QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="mikegtfc"] The prophet Muhammed was a pedophile. And I am baffled at that. Since I have never heard or read such a thing. Come on now, don't play the idiot card. What so idotic about asking that? Its rather idotic to spout things without actually havign to back yourself up.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] ....and why are muslims paedophiles again? :?dramaybaz
Well, Muhamad was a pedophile, but I can't say that for all muslims.(I am sorry if that fact offends anyone, but the fact is he married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9. The is the definition of a pedophile in anyone's book.) And the sign said: "Stop the Paedophile Invasion of England" upon review, it didn't even mention Islam. So where are these hateful and racist signs about Islam in the video? Also, how can you be racist towards a religion. Any source for that? ...you're serious. It is accepted by historians, Muslims and Christians alike, that Muhammed married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9. It might even be in the Qu'ran. It is a fact of history. Source? Pick up anybook about Muhammed, look it up on wikipedia.
[QUOTE="MaxPred2010"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="MaxPred2010"] Black people didn't fly planes into buildings, behead people or stone little girls to death, did they? I must have missed that day of Black History Month. All Muslims do those terrible things, right? All muslims follow the same religion which causes people to do those things. So they're all evil, right?
Ninja-Hippo, are you white? Because judging by your last handful of posts, you clearly do not like white people very much. But if you are white, you have got to be the most left-wing, liberal, hippy, naacp, adam and steve, sharia law, tree hugging, starbucks latte, lover I have seen on these boards :shock:
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] You're saying all muslims are immigrants? :|
Ninja-Hippo
No. But the majority of muslims in england did not have ancestors there, and therefore it is not their homeland. Baseless statistics? Quick fact; i don't have ancestors in england. Am i a second class citizen then?
Nope. I don't think you are. Nor did I say muslims were.
I don't see a problem with Protesting Sharia Law. :?
Snipes_2
Perhaps the fact that they chant 'we hate muslims' at their demonstrations? :? Can you point out to me at which point in the video you heard them say or chant this?
Fair warning; these videos arent pleasant and involve the organization in the original video posted in this thread shouting racist and hurtful things. I post this only to demonstrate why they should not be supported, so please no offense is intended to anyone.
Video 1 'get the terrorists off our streets.'
Video 2 (at the same event as the one in the OP) 'you dirty muslim *******' shouted at an innocent man.
There are plenty more but i dont think anyone needs to suffer through watching them.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] You're saying all muslims are immigrants? :|
No. But the majority of muslims in england did not have ancestors there, and therefore it is not their homeland. The majority of Malaysians in England did not have ancestors there. Should they be kicked out as well? I never said Muslims should be kicked out. You are putting words in my mouth, good sir. Malaysian is a race, btw, not a way of life.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] No. But the majority of muslims in england did not have ancestors there, and therefore it is not their homeland.herpderp9000
Baseless statistics? Quick fact; i don't have ancestors in england. Am i a second class citizen then?
Nope. I don't think you are. Nor did I say muslims were.
Then why do they deserve to be persecuted because you don't consider England their 'homeland'? :)
Sadly muslims are the modern day equivalent of innocent black people in the 20th century, or the invisible communist boogiemen of the 50s and 60s. The media is a sad and evil institution. Ninja-Hippo
this post is full of truth. Its sad, but hey, what can we do :(
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] I never said Muslims should be kicked out. You are putting words in my mouth, good sir. Malaysian is a race, btw, not a way of life. And people don't dislike Muslims for being Muslim.. at least regular people don't. They have a problem with the way they live (in general). They don't like their habits (in general) and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] No. But the majority of muslims in england did not have ancestors there, and therefore it is not their homeland.herpderp9000
The majority of Malaysians in England did not have ancestors there. Should they be kicked out as well? I never said Muslims should be kicked out. You are putting words in my mouth, good sir. Malaysian is a race, btw, not a way of life. I misinterpreted your post. Sorry for that. And I wasn't comparing a race to a way of life.
Also i will take the barrage of insults as a positive, seeing as they came after my point about what would happen if a group of white people intimidated someone, which has been completely unchallenged.
[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Well, Muhamad was a pedophile, but I can't say that for all muslims.(I am sorry if that fact offends anyone, but the fact is he married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9. The is the definition of a pedophile in anyone's book.) And the sign said: "Stop the Paedophile Invasion of England" upon review, it didn't even mention Islam. So where are these hateful and racist signs about Islam in the video? Also, how can you be racist towards a religion.herpderp9000
Any source for that? ...you're serious. It is accepted by historians, Muslims and Christians alike, that Muhammed married a 6 year old girl and had sex with her when she was 9. It might even be in the Qu'ran. It is a fact of history. Source? Pick up anybook about Muhammed, look it up on wikipedia. What historians? Where in the Quran?What book on Muhammad, where on Wikipedia? Seriously, that field is something I undoubtedly know more about than you do. I have never come across any fact like that except from the die hard haters, and yes I have read the Quran. :roll:
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] I never said Muslims should be kicked out. You are putting words in my mouth, good sir. Malaysian is a race, btw, not a way of life. And people don't dislike Muslims for being Muslim.. at least regular people don't. They have a problem with the way they live (in general). They don't like their habits (in general) and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Yes there is. I don't like people who wear tracksuits and spit on the ground. I don't hate them though, and i have no ill will against them. I wouldn't wish them harm. I wouldn't generalize them, group them all together and make sweeping comments about 'how they live'.
the anti-Islamic movement in the US makes sense to me (though I don't support it), taking off from the right-wingers of this country as a wedge issue to play off the most base fears of conservatives instead of building the values of their political movement on important issues such as economic issues, it's the same thing whether they create fears about gays and their rights to marriage, or illegal immigration, or pro-life vs pro-choice, and decades before that it was attacks against civil rights for blacks, interracial marriage, and women's suffrage, when a political party has no great ideas they rely more on these despicable issues to divide the population however, this going on in the UK doesn't make as much sense to me politically, though some have stated that these anti-Islam groups stem from soccer hooligans who seem to by their nature just crave conflict, ideology be damned
Baseless statistics? Quick fact; i don't have ancestors in england. Am i a second class citizen then?Ninja-Hippo
Nope. I don't think you are. Nor did I say muslims were.
Then why do they deserve to be persecuted because you don't consider England their 'homeland'? :) They don't deserve to be persecuted. Where did that come from, that I think they should be persecuted?
Also i will take the barrage of insults as a positive, seeing as they came after my point about what would happen if a group of white people intimidated someone, which has been completely unchallenged.Ninja-Hippo
I don't understand what you're getting at? A group of white thugs get the same treatment as a group of muslim thugs in theory, but it doesn't always work out this way.
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Perhaps the fact that they chant 'we hate muslims' at their demonstrations? :?Ninja-Hippo
Can you point out to me at which point in the video you heard them say or chant this?
Fair warning; these videos arent pleasant and involve the organization in the original video posted in this thread shouting racist and hurtful things. I post this only to demonstrate why they should not be supported, so please no offense is intended to anyone.
Video 1 'get the terrorists off our streets.'
Video 2 (at the same event as the one in the OP) 'you dirty muslim *******' shouted at an innocent man.
There are plenty more but i dont think anyone needs to suffer through watching them.
Those are separate videos from the one posted :? "which point in the video" The video Posted they didn't say anything like that. Video 1: ""muslim bombers off our streets"" I don't see a problem with keeping Terrorists off the streets, they've had quit a few threats and bombings there. Why would they want more to occur? I like the Editing too. Video 2: Kind of hard to make out what they're saying. Is it "Dirty Muslim", that's all I heard.
Perhaps if we look at the rise of anti-Islamic politicians in Europe (Holland in particular I gather), perhaps we can draw parallels to Hitler's rise to power during the Germanys depression in the 1920's? Preach to the underclass – get their support and rise to power… I wonder…
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Sadly muslims are the modern day equivalent of innocent black people in the 20th century, or the invisible communist boogiemen of the 50s and 60s. The media is a sad and evil institution. GazaAli
this post is full of truth. Its sad, but hey, what can we do :(
Just keep doing what you have been doing. Democracies, like those in Western europe are very vulnerable to substantial demographic changes. Dont get suckered into their traps and continue to create your own sub communities for mutual protection. Once you have the numbers, you'll have enough voting power to be treated more fairly.
It will be a long, tough road to finally overcome the rampant and overt racism that has and continues define europe,
Nope. I don't think you are. Nor did I say muslims were.
herpderp9000
Then why do they deserve to be persecuted because you don't consider England their 'homeland'? :) They don't deserve to be persecuted. Where did that come from, that I think they should be persecuted? I said this is just as much their home as mine. You said it isn't because they don't have ancestry here. I don't think this is true, and i value freedom and personal rights, rather than handing them out to whoever i consider a 'real' citizen of the country.
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