have you ever wonder why nobody talk about our food source?

Just eat it... don't think about it.

Ignorance is bliss. Ethically, I'm not sure if there is a way to continue supporting commercially raised/slaughtered animals. If you're going to eat meat, the least you can do is be aware of where it's coming from. chrisrooR

Ethically we should all die to avoid procuring suffering to anything else.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

So, where's the part where the rest of us should start feeling concerned?

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Yes, you are definitely missing something, as in some cogs in your brain. You managed to put together a non sequitur and a false dichotomy in a single post, pleb. Now read again and feel ashamed of your stupidity.

Communist_Soul

Really, it's not like they remember it.

I'm eating a dead tortured animal whose meat has been ground into a coarse mixture and then pressed tightly in a penis-shaped membrane.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]Ignorance is bliss. Ethically, I'm not sure if there is a way to continue supporting commercially raised/slaughtered animals. If you're going to eat meat, the least you can do is be aware of where it's coming from. N30F3N1X

Ethically we should all die to avoid procuring suffering to anything else.

Oh, c'mon. I'm talking about managing the levels of known suffering amongst the animals that can experience it. I'm not advocating everyone be a vegan, or even a vegetarian. What I am saying is that we should all strive to be more mindful consumers. It's definitely in our power to treat the animals we eat humanely before they reach our plate. It just takes education and action. Don't be a dick and take my quote to an extreme I never even hinted at. chrisrooR

I'm thinking of more practical concerns. How do you suggest we do something like that? And what has the fact that they are raised for commercial purpose to do with what you're saying?

Feel free to not support the food industry. Buy free-roaming, grass-fed meat. You'll have to pay a lot more, but you're saving the poor animals!Guppy507

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] We should still treat them humanely... which does not happen.chrisrooR

is that what makes them taste so good?

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]Oh, c'mon. I'm talking about managing the levels of known suffering amongst the animals that can experience it. I'm not advocating everyone be a vegan, or even a vegetarian. What I am saying is that we should all strive to be more mindful consumers. It's definitely in our power to treat the animals we eat humanely before they reach our plate. It just takes education and action. Don't be a dick and take my quote to an extreme I never even hinted at. N30F3N1X

I'm thinking of more practical concerns. How do you suggest we do something like that? And what has the fact that they are raised for commercial purpose to do with what you're saying?

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]Oh, c'mon. I'm talking about managing the levels of known suffering amongst the animals that can experience it. I'm not advocating everyone be a vegan, or even a vegetarian. What I am saying is that we should all strive to be more mindful consumers. It's definitely in our power to treat the animals we eat humanely before they reach our plate. It just takes education and action. Don't be a dick and take my quote to an extreme I never even hinted at. chrisrooR

I'm thinking of more practical concerns. How do you suggest we do something like that? And what has the fact that they are raised for commercial purpose to do with what you're saying?

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Our current method of killing animals for meat, is quicker, and less painful than the ways of the past. Plus, as our understanding of medicine and nutrition improves, so do the animals lives.lostrib

is that what makes them taste so good?

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

I'm thinking of more practical concerns. How do you suggest we do something like that? And what has the fact that they are raised for commercial purpose to do with what you're saying?

Nibroc420

Commercialized farming usually revolves around high productivity, high yield while keeping the costs associated as low as possible. For the food industry in particular, I think it's important we become increasingly more invested in free roaming farming, allowing the animals more space and grass. Cows have historically never dined solely on corn, yet it's all they're fed. It affects the animals, as well as those who eat the animals meat. I don't think allowing animals a bit more room to move around in is unreasonable.chrisrooR

Have you actually ever been in a farm? Animals don't stay in the stables 24/7 y'know.

So you'll continue to argue that we should spend more money to increase the quality of life of these animals, while children live in even worse conditions than the animals do now. Sure, while we're at it, lets stop medicare, and start feeding animals only the best feed.Nibroc420

Hush, don't give those vegan ****heads more ideas.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] Killing them is faster, that's true. But the commercialized process of keeping them in small enclosures and force feeding them corn byproducts remains the industrial standard.chrisrooR

is that what makes them taste so good?

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] Commercialized farming usually revolves around high productivity, high yield while keeping the costs associated as low as possible. For the food industry in particular, I think it's important we become increasingly more invested in free roaming farming, allowing the animals more space and grass. Cows have historically never dined solely on corn, yet it's all they're fed. It affects the animals, as well as those who eat the animals meat. I don't think allowing animals a bit more room to move around in is unreasonable.N30F3N1X

Have you actually ever been in a farm? Animals don't stay in the stables 24/7 y'know.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

is that what makes them taste so good?

Nibroc420

There are many important issues out there, but this thread was specifically engaging the issue of the treatment of animals as a food source. chrisrooR

And I'm simply pointing out that most of the documentaries way over-exaggerate the issue into something it's not; Often causing people to come out with the same arguements you're making.

"Organic" doesn't mean it's been grown any differently, as there is no standards as to what is "organic" in Canada and most of the USA (not sure about Europe)
The same goes for "free-range", no standards mean anything could be free range. Just write "Organic", or "Free Range" on the packaging, increase price by 50%, and profits soar.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] Commercialized farming usually revolves around high productivity, high yield while keeping the costs associated as low as possible. For the food industry in particular, I think it's important we become increasingly more invested in free roaming farming, allowing the animals more space and grass. Cows have historically never dined solely on corn, yet it's all they're fed. It affects the animals, as well as those who eat the animals meat. I don't think allowing animals a bit more room to move around in is unreasonable.chrisrooR

Have you actually ever been in a farm? Animals don't stay in the stables 24/7 y'know.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Have you actually ever been in a farm? Animals don't stay in the stables 24/7 y'know.

Renevent42

Black Eagle Farm in Virginia. I'm not saying I'm some sort of saint who's above this. I buy and eat meat too. I also am not completely aware of where all of my meat comes from. But I am currently trying to change my eating habits in accordance with what's really going on. With establishments selling low-cost animal products, the poor conditions above are an example of what McDonalds relies on to continue to exist. I honestly don't know if there's a way to change the system, but I've personally become uncomfortable with passively accepting it as it currently is.

chrisrooR

Of course you're not some saint who's above that, otherwise I wouldn't even bother replying.

How do you tell "what's really going on" is in fact what's really going on and not just the occasional rotten apple?

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]  Black Eagle Farm in Virginia. I'm not saying I'm some sort of saint who's above this. I buy and eat meat too. I also am not completely aware of where all of my meat comes from. But I am currently trying to change my eating habits in accordance with what's really going on. With establishments selling low-cost animal products, the poor conditions above are an example of what McDonalds relies on to continue to exist. I honestly don't know if there's a way to change the system, but I've personally become uncomfortable with passively accepting it as it currently is.Nibroc420

Well we used to just chop off animal parts as we needed...that wasn't deemed ethical and at some point we (humanity) stopped doing it. It's just an opinion, of course, but I doubt most people would consider that old practice ethical today. So yeah, ethics are "opinions"...but they are based on thoughtful debate and consideration. Renevent42

So where do we draw the line?

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Well we used to just chop off animal parts as we needed...that wasn't deemed ethical and at some point we (humanity) stopped doing it. It's just an opinion, of course, but I doubt most people would consider that old practice ethical today. So yeah, ethics are "opinions"...but they are based on thoughtful debate and consideration. N30F3N1X

So where do we draw the line?

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Well we used to just chop off animal parts as we needed...that wasn't deemed ethical and at some point we (humanity) stopped doing it. It's just an opinion, of course, but I doubt most people would consider that old practice ethical today. So yeah, ethics are "opinions"...but they are based on thoughtful debate and consideration. Renevent42

So where do we draw the line?

There's tons of issues that could be resolved...the issue right now is we caught between profits and ethics. There's room for both, IMO. Renevent42

Is mistreatment a standard? Or a minority? How can we even tell who we are giving money to? And why does the desire to "stop the mistreatment" stop at animals that are raised for food?

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

So where do we draw the line?

Nibroc420

Your question is irrelevant...the "line" is something that has shifted many times throughout human history based on evolving ethics and beliefs. These beliefs are based in large on how a society views animals and/or reactions to certain actions and activities.

So for you maybe animals living miserable lives in tiny boxes or filthy windowless warehouses is acceptable for the sake of maximum production, profits, and $1 hamburgers is ethical. I don't think it is, and I think we can raise animals for food without having to resort to this type of abuse.

So that's what the ethical debate is today...that's what the folks advocating the ethical treatment of farm animals are mostly trying to get accross.

So for you maybe animals living miserable lives in tiny boxes or filthy windowless warehouses is acceptable for the sake of maximum production, profits, and $1 hamburgers is ethical. I don't think it is, and I think we can raise animals for food without having to resort to this type of abuse.

Renevent42

Truth is, most farms arent like that, unless we're talking Veal.

The documentaries you watch go to hundreds of different farms for footage, and show the most horrific, because it futhers their agenda by increasing the shock value of the movie.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

So for you maybe animals living miserable lives in tiny boxes or filthy windowless warehouses is acceptable for the sake of maximum production, profits, and $1 hamburgers is ethical. I don't think it is, and I think we can raise animals for food without having to resort to this type of abuse.

Nibroc420

Truth is, most farms arent like that, unless we're talking Veal.

The documentaries you watch go to hundreds of different farms for footage, and show the most horrific, because it futhers their agenda by increasing the shock value of the movie.

At this point in time, that is. Those factory farms are growing, though, which is why people are fighting so hard to change things. If you look at the farming industry just 50-75 years ago things have changed drastically and of course they will continue to change over time. I think that's why it's important to have these types of things out front and center so we as a society can decide.

At this point in time, that is. Those factory farms are growing, though, which is why people are fighting so hard to change things. If you look at the farming industry just 50-75 years ago things have changed drastically and of course they will continue to change over time. I think that's why it's important to have these types of things out front and center so we as a society can decide. Renevent42

Those factory farms are growing? Got any numbers to back that up?

I'd say people are "fighting so hard" because we are in the age of everything is entitled to rights and everything's worth bitching about.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

So for you maybe animals living miserable lives in tiny boxes or filthy windowless warehouses is acceptable for the sake of maximum production, profits, and $1 hamburgers is ethical. I don't think it is, and I think we can raise animals for food without having to resort to this type of abuse.

Renevent42

Truth is, most farms arent like that, unless we're talking Veal.

The documentaries you watch go to hundreds of different farms for footage, and show the most horrific, because it futhers their agenda by increasing the shock value of the movie.

At this point in time, that is. Those factory farms are growing, though, which is why people are fighting so hard to change things. If you look at the farming industry just 50-75 years ago things have changed drastically and of course they will continue to change over time. I think that's why it's important to have these types of things out front and center so we as a society can decide.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] At this point in time, that is. Those factory farms are growing, though, which is why people are fighting so hard to change things. If you look at the farming industry just 50-75 years ago things have changed drastically and of course they will continue to change over time. I think that's why it's important to have these types of things out front and center so we as a society can decide. N30F3N1X

Those factory farms are growing? Got any numbers to back that up?

I'd say people are "fighting so hard" because we are in the age of everything is entitled to rights and everything's worth bitching about.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Truth is, most farms arent like that, unless we're talking Veal.

The documentaries you watch go to hundreds of different farms for footage, and show the most horrific, because it futhers their agenda by increasing the shock value of the movie.

Nibroc420

At this point in time, that is. Those factory farms are growing, though, which is why people are fighting so hard to change things. If you look at the farming industry just 50-75 years ago things have changed drastically and of course they will continue to change over time. I think that's why it's important to have these types of things out front and center so we as a society can decide.

How about you back up your claim that factory farms aren't growing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_farming

" In 1990 factory farming accounted for 30% of world meat production.[15] By 2005 this had risen to 40%.[16]"

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]

At this point in time, that is. Those factory farms are growing, though, which is why people are fighting so hard to change things. If you look at the farming industry just 50-75 years ago things have changed drastically and of course they will continue to change over time. I think that's why it's important to have these types of things out front and center so we as a society can decide.

Renevent42

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_farming

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Either back up your claims with legit sources and numbers, or accept the fact you're wrong. You've watched one too many anti-meat documentaries.Nibroc420

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_farming

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] How about you back up your claim that factory farms represent the minority?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_farming

Renevent42

we are fruit eater/plant eaters
nobody eat raw meat just like omnivores,carnivors


the vegan meat is from the same source people create bread 
 
thats the truth about animal "farming"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhqP8yOkouU 

:lol: It's not even some well kept secret or anything...the USDA has these statistics. Factory farms are growing, as well is the number of corporate owned/operated farms vs family owned farms. Since the 1950's farming has become increasingly industrialized. I actually work in the ag business, BTW.

Renevent42

Maybe I should've worded that better. Factory farms may be growing and USDA has numbers about it, where does any of it say animals being mistreated is an increasing trend?

we are fruit eater/plant eaters
nobody eat raw meat just like omnivores,carnivors


the vegan meat is from the same source people create bread

yomanjdf

We can eat raw meat, it's just not as healthy nor tasty as cooked meat. And besides how come we can't digest fibers? More bullshit pls

thats the "truth" about animal farming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhqP8yOkouU 

yomanjdf

Fix'd