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#1 raider1648
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I just saw the movie and I was blown away by heath's performance and i dont think anyone can replace him in this role.

*SPOILER*

since the joker didnt die what do you think will happen to the joker?

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#2 ferrari2001
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ahhh you ruined it with that spoiler I hate you.. No I'm fine with it...
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#3 raider1648
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so no guesses?

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#4 Blitz_Nemesis
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either a new one or they will simply continue with new villians.
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#5 blazinpuertoroc
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either replace him or forget about him
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#6 Almighty_Ganon
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I personally hope he reappears. Granted Ledger did a great job but the Joker isn't really that hard to portray. Just because an actor dies, his role especially a role so important to the franchise, should not die with him.

Look at Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. they didn't say: Oh he's dead bettter forget the character.

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#7 NetYankEagle
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they wont rplace the joker like they replaced Rachel. Most likly in the next film they will probably mention that the Joker died(in some way) or he was sent to the Asylum so we wont see him again.
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I personally hope he reappears. Granted Ledger did a great job but the Joker isn't really that hard to portray. Just because an actor dies, his role especially a role so important to the franchise, should not die with him.

Look at Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. they didn't say: Oh he's dead bettter forget the character.

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thats because dumbledore was needed to make the rest of the films:|
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I personally hope he reappears. Granted Ledger did a great job but the Joker isn't really that hard to portray. Just because an actor dies, his role especially a role so important to the franchise, should not die with him.

Look at Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. they didn't say: Oh he's dead bettter forget the character.

Almighty_Ganon

I never knew he got replaced :P they are both basically the same!

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#10 Almighty_Ganon
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[QUOTE="Almighty_Ganon"]

I personally hope he reappears. Granted Ledger did a great job but the Joker isn't really that hard to portray. Just because an actor dies, his role especially a role so important to the franchise, should not die with him.

Look at Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. they didn't say: Oh he's dead bettter forget the character.

NetYankEagle

thats because dumbledore was needed to make the rest of the films:|

Everyone will disagree with me but I believe the Joker is necessary as well. He is Batman's archenemy, and correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he mention he would live on to torture Batman when he was hanging from the wire?

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#11 raider1648
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yea he did say that
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#12 lucky326
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[QUOTE="Almighty_Ganon"]

I personally hope he reappears. Granted Ledger did a great job but the Joker isn't really that hard to portray. Just because an actor dies, his role especially a role so important to the franchise, should not die with him.

Look at Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. they didn't say: Oh he's dead bettter forget the character.

aaronmullan

I never knew he got replaced :P they are both basically the same!

Say what? Couldnt you tell the difference between the accents? I'm being serious here there was a huge difference.
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#13 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="Almighty_Ganon"]

I personally hope he reappears. Granted Ledger did a great job but the Joker isn't really that hard to portray. Just because an actor dies, his role especially a role so important to the franchise, should not die with him.

Look at Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. they didn't say: Oh he's dead bettter forget the character.

lucky326

I never knew he got replaced :P they are both basically the same!

Say what? Couldnt you tell the difference between the accents? I'm being serious here there was a huge difference.

im not sure but i think he was talking about the books

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[QUOTE="lucky326"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="Almighty_Ganon"]

I personally hope he reappears. Granted Ledger did a great job but the Joker isn't really that hard to portray. Just because an actor dies, his role especially a role so important to the franchise, should not die with him.

Look at Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. they didn't say: Oh he's dead bettter forget the character.

Serraph105

I never knew he got replaced :P they are both basically the same!

Say what? Couldnt you tell the difference between the accents? I'm being serious here there was a huge difference.

im not sure but i think he was talking about the books

Sure about that? Really doesnt sound like that too me.
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#15 Ignignokt104
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I'd prefer it if they just brought a new villain in for the 3rd one. Also, I will never look at pencils the same way again.
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#16 viewtiful26
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Heath Ledger was supposed to return for the third film...Yeah, so they'll just choose another actor. It wouldn't be fair to the material otherwise.
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#17 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="lucky326"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="Almighty_Ganon"]

I personally hope he reappears. Granted Ledger did a great job but the Joker isn't really that hard to portray. Just because an actor dies, his role especially a role so important to the franchise, should not die with him.

Look at Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies. they didn't say: Oh he's dead bettter forget the character.

lucky326

I never knew he got replaced :P they are both basically the same!

Say what? Couldnt you tell the difference between the accents? I'm being serious here there was a huge difference.

im not sure but i think he was talking about the books

Sure about that? Really doesnt sound like that too me.

umm never mind he did actually say movies didnt he my bad

btw how could you not notice the difference? I'm not sure that the new Dumbledore really is better than the old one though but i think he is better built for fight scenes than the old one

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#18 raider1648
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lol i know about the pencils me neither
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#20 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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Probably the same thing that happened after the movie "Batman."
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I'd say in maybe 10 years or so when they decide to make another Batman trilolgy fresh again, we'll see the Joker return as someone else.

He has to.

The Joker is too awesome and unique to NOT bring him back at some point. It's just a question of how long you let the grass grow.

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They shouldn't even make a third film.
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#23 omfg_its_dally
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I don't think he'll be in the next film, just maybe a mention of him at the asylum. But if he is in the next one then I'm sure they'll find someone to replace him, I mean he was in make-up the whole movie so it'd be harder to tell the difference. But they are going to have a hell of a time finding someone who plays the role better than Ledger.
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Johnny Depp is the only conceivable actor I could imagine taking over the position.

I was EXTREMELY disappointed they killed off Two Face so quickly...jesus what a botched opportunity for some good character development in a third movie. He was such an interesting character. They should've downplayed Harvey Dent/Two Face's role in TDK and spent more time on him in a third movie. Plus, they could hypothetically stop making more Batman movies as of now, the ending of TDK was such that it didnt leave it wide open for sequels.

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From what I have seen of him, Heath Ledger looks impressive. I dont see why he cant be replaced though, he wasnt the best actor around. I can see someone like Paddy Considine or Rutger Hauer doing a great job. Though Rutger Hauer is probably a bit old now.
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#26 omfg_its_dally
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Johnny Depp is the only conceivable actor I could imagine taking over the position.

I was EXTREMELY disappointed they killed off Two Face so quickly...jesus what a botched opportunity for some good character development in a third movie. He was such an interesting character. They should've downplayed Harvey Dent/Two Face's role in TDK and spent more time on him in a third movie. Plus, they could hypothetically stop making more Batman movies as of now, the ending of TDK was such that it didnt leave it wide open for sequels.

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Yeah, I agree about the Two-Face thing. He could have been great in the next film. And I think the ending left a good amount of room for a sequel. Now Batman has got to get redemption and he can't quit until Gotham doesn't need him anymore.

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#27 FFF4N4T1C
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I have no idea what will happen...as much as I want more I don't want them to pick a new Joker. I think Heath's performance was one of the greatest performances of all time. He was born to play that role and I'd hate to see them ruin a movie that has immortalized him.
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Johnny Depp is the only conceivable actor I could imagine taking over the position.

I was EXTREMELY disappointed they killed off Two Face so quickly...jesus what a botched opportunity for some good character development in a third movie. He was such an interesting character. They should've downplayed Harvey Dent/Two Face's role in TDK and spent more time on him in a third movie. Plus, they could hypothetically stop making more Batman movies as of now, the ending of TDK was such that it didnt leave it wide open for sequels.

mikeg0788
harvey dent died...not Two face...i just feel it.
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#29 legend26
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his preformence was genious

thats all that needs to be said

he was creepy, funny, and psycotic. he desreves the oscar imo

ohh and i have no idea what they can do next

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#30 omfg_its_dally
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[QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

Johnny Depp is the only conceivable actor I could imagine taking over the position.

I was EXTREMELY disappointed they killed off Two Face so quickly...jesus what a botched opportunity for some good character development in a third movie. He was such an interesting character. They should've downplayed Harvey Dent/Two Face's role in TDK and spent more time on him in a third movie. Plus, they could hypothetically stop making more Batman movies as of now, the ending of TDK was such that it didnt leave it wide open for sequels.

blazinpuertoroc

harvey dent died...not Two face...i just feel it.

I haven't really thought of that. Good theory though.

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He owned that role. I didn't even recognize him.

I'm sure they can find a replacement but that guy will have to step up big time.

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#32 Scarker
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[QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

Johnny Depp is the only conceivable actor I could imagine taking over the position.

I was EXTREMELY disappointed they killed off Two Face so quickly...jesus what a botched opportunity for some good character development in a third movie. He was such an interesting character. They should've downplayed Harvey Dent/Two Face's role in TDK and spent more time on him in a third movie. Plus, they could hypothetically stop making more Batman movies as of now, the ending of TDK was such that it didnt leave it wide open for sequels.

blazinpuertoroc

harvey dent died...not Two face...i just feel it.

He fell out the window onto the ground, man. He's dead. If they made him alive again, the movie completely loses its realism. They should end it right there. If they don't, I'm not sure it'll be good again.

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#33 lostprodigy3141
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Johnny Depp is the only conceivable actor I could imagine taking over the position.

I was EXTREMELY disappointed they killed off Two Face so quickly...jesus what a botched opportunity for some good character development in a third movie. He was such an interesting character. They should've downplayed Harvey Dent/Two Face's role in TDK and spent more time on him in a third movie. Plus, they could hypothetically stop making more Batman movies as of now, the ending of TDK was such that it didnt leave it wide open for sequels.

mikeg0788

Yeah, Dent's character transformation was too instantaneous and quick, and over-the-top.

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#34 lostprodigy3141
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"][QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

Johnny Depp is the only conceivable actor I could imagine taking over the position.

I was EXTREMELY disappointed they killed off Two Face so quickly...jesus what a botched opportunity for some good character development in a third movie. He was such an interesting character. They should've downplayed Harvey Dent/Two Face's role in TDK and spent more time on him in a third movie. Plus, they could hypothetically stop making more Batman movies as of now, the ending of TDK was such that it didnt leave it wide open for sequels.

Scarker

harvey dent died...not Two face...i just feel it.

He fell out the window onto the ground, man. He's dead. If they made him alive again, the movie completely loses its realism. They should end it right there. If they don't, I'm not sure it'll be good again.

Don't worry, Dent's dead. Though there are quite a few scenes in both movies that turned off the realism aspect.

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#35 lostprodigy3141
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He owned that role. I didn't even recognize him.

I'm sure they can find a replacement but that guy will have to step up big time.

kingdre

Man, a replacement? Heath Ledger was perfect. Nolan seems to be good at coming up with villains- Cillian Murphy was basically perfect as the scarecrow(I enjoyed Ledger more, it's what I really enjoyed about the movie). As for the other characters(Christian Bale in particular), good but overrated.

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I'd say in maybe 10 years or so when they decide to make another Batman trilolgy fresh again, we'll see the Joker return as someone else.

He has to.

The Joker is too awesome and unique to NOT bring him back at some point. It's just a question of how long you let the grass grow.

Dreams-Visions

Well, obviously for a fresh restart, but for the current trilogy(or however many movies it may be), it wouldn't be the best idea.

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#37 raider1648
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he was perfect and the best single performance of the year thus far i think.
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nice spoiler warning....dammit.
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[QUOTE="blazinpuertoroc"][QUOTE="mikeg0788"]

Johnny Depp is the only conceivable actor I could imagine taking over the position.

I was EXTREMELY disappointed they killed off Two Face so quickly...jesus what a botched opportunity for some good character development in a third movie. He was such an interesting character. They should've downplayed Harvey Dent/Two Face's role in TDK and spent more time on him in a third movie. Plus, they could hypothetically stop making more Batman movies as of now, the ending of TDK was such that it didnt leave it wide open for sequels.

Scarker

harvey dent died...not Two face...i just feel it.

He fell out the window onto the ground, man. He's dead. If they made him alive again, the movie completely loses its realism. They should end it right there. If they don't, I'm not sure it'll be good again.

did you notice batman fell right next to him?? also batman fell for a 20 storie building onto a car to save rachel and they both lived? its a fricking comic book adaption...seriously not much realism there...90 percent of things that happened in the movie are near impossible.
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true...like when he set the ballon and was lifted by the airplane.
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#41 Masterbeat2
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Maybe they'll change the Joker but I wanna see him in the next Batman movies

Heath Ledger performance was just brilliant! May he rest in peace

PS. I don't like the chick that replaced Katie Holmes in the first movie. She was not a good actress in my opinion

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I don't think he'll be in the next film, just maybe a mention of him at the asylum. But if he is in the next one then I'm sure they'll find someone to replace him, I mean he was in make-up the whole movie so it'd be harder to tell the difference. But they are going to have a hell of a time finding someone who plays the role better than Ledger.omfg_its_dally
um you can the difference easily:| If you couldnt tell the difference between Jack Nichlson Joker and Heath Ledger Joker then I dont even know
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#43 Im_single
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PS. I don't like the chick that replaced Katie Holmes in the first movie. She was not a good actress in my opinion

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That would be Maggie Gyllenhaal, older sister of Jake Gyllenhaal.

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why cant Batman the richest or maybe second richest *cough* Tony Stark get a hot girlfriend

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I'd prefer it if they just brought a new villain in for the 3rd one. Also, I will never look at pencils the same way again.Ignignokt104

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why cant Batman the richest or maybe second richest *cough* Tony Stark get a hot girlfriend

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Wayne and Stark are from different universes, don't compare them
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Dude, he did such an amazing job, he was creepy as hell, and exactly how the joker should be. I hope if they get a new guy hes just the same. And also, isn't 2face supposed to be the villian of the next one? At the end they made you assume that the joker trained 2face to become the new villian.
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#48 LoG-Sacrament
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Dude, he did such an amazing job, he was creepy as hell, and exactly how the joker should be. I hope if they get a new guy hes just the same. And also, isn't 2face supposed to be the villian of the next one? At the end they made you assume that the joker trained 2face to become the new villian.cole_793

indeed. ign interviewed nolan a while back. he said that if you look at the 2nd movie in the scope of the trilogy, it serves to set up two face as the villian of the 3rd movie.

of course, each of the other movies has featured 2 super villians. id imagine batman 3 (for lack of a better name) will have another baddy for batman.

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#49 cole_793
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yeah, i hope its not just 2face. I don't really like that guy as an actor that much. Well, hes fine as a cop or whatever, but i don't see him as a villian. They need someone as good as heath ledger.
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[QUOTE="raider1648"]

why cant Batman the richest or maybe second richest *cough* Tony Stark get a hot girlfriend

1337_ownage

Wayne and Stark are from different universes, don't compare them

Word.