Here's why Heath Ledger's The Joker is awesome.

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Many people have mixed opinions of Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker.

Some say he pulls off the roll of a disturbed twisted criminal mind very well. Others suggest that he is too messed-up and not "jokey" enough.

Here's my opinion of the Joker.

I feel the Joker hates the world, hates people, hates everything. He has little respect for human life (sometimes even his own) and will sometimes without hesitation murder the henchmen he hired in the first place.

He really takes nothing seriously, holds nothing sacred. Batman could have crashed into him on his motorcycle killing him, and Joker knew this, but instead of trying to protect himself, he just stood there, "for the heck of it," to "see if Batman would do it and if he did what the consequences would look like."

To the Joker, everything is a game. He puts others and himself in harm's way almost just for fun. To him, the world is just a toy to experiment with. He has no long-term goal, like money or an empire or justice, as Alfred told Bruce Wayne, "some men just want to watch the world burn."

On one hand, he likes to be the rat scientist with the world as his lab putting them in situations to see how they react, but on the other hand, he has no problem casting his own life and his own safety into the equation.

Many times, he puts himself in harm's way.

When he is about to pull the grenade pin off his jacket after he performs the "magic trick."

When Batman almost crashes his motorcycle into him.

When he challenges Twoface to shoot him on the flip of a coin.

When he falls off the building at the end and instead of being afraid, laughs at what is happening.

The man really has no fear, holds nothing sacred, has no goals, has no sense of respect, thinks nothing of rules, for him the world is nothing but a big game with pieces for him to play.

In some ways, he almost reminds me of this:

What do you think of my analysis? Thoughts? Criticism?

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a year late?
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#3 CannedWorms
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If he doesn't get an Oscar I will be very angry!

...wait.

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#4 Razor-Lazor
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a year late?GenTom
My exact thoughts.
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#5 deactivated-60678a6f9e4d4
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He's just a cool villain. The Dark Knight was not as deep or complex as everyone says.

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#6 sammyjenkis898
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I already know that Heath Ledger's Joker is one of the best performances of all time.
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#7 teh_fish_stick
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[QUOTE="GenTom"]a year late?Razor-Lazor
My exact thoughts.

Ditto.
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#8 tarnishedsteel0
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I think the majority of the people thought he was amazing. Hence, Oscar.

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Good: Yes.
Great: Yes.
ZOMFG I'm a teenager and I think he was awesome!!!1!11oneone! Ledger's the best!!!: No.

He did the part very well, but it's not like he invented the role itself.

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Good: Yes.
Great: Yes.
ZOMFG I'm a teenager and I think he was awesome!!!1!11oneone! Ledger's the best!!!: No.

He did the part very well, but it's not like he invented the role itself.

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Good: Yes Great: Possibly Ledger's best role: No The best role of '08: No The best role of all time: Not even close
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#12 ashish_1987
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i dont know what was on his mind but he was outstanding ...the portrayol of role of joker was so real that i started to hate him during the movie itself...its very sad that he is not with us...god bless him...

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I already know that Heath Ledger's Joker is one of the best performances of all time.sammyjenkis898
You've got to admit that Heath Ledger's death had a lot to do with the publicity.
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]I already know that Heath Ledger's Joker is one of the best performances of all time.th3warr1or
You've got to admit that Heath Ledger's death had a lot to do with the publicity.

that's true

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#16 Film-Guy
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Heath's joker was pretty good, but there are many villains I think are much better.

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#17 chessmaster1989
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Heath's joker was pretty good, but there are many villains I think are much better.

Film-Guy

Film, just curious, who are your favorite movie villians?

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[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Heath's joker was pretty good, but there are many villains I think are much better.

chessmaster1989

Film, just curious, who are your favorite movie villians?

I got a couple, here are my favorite though:)

1. Roy Batty from Blade Runner- Not really a villain I guess

2. John Ryder from The Hitcher- Rutger Hauer again

3. Little Bill Daggett from Unforgiven- Gene Hackman is amazing

4. Hannibal Lector

5. Lil Ze from City of god- Jesus this kid is insane

6. Stansfield from The Professional- Gary Oldman is awesome

7. Patrick Bateman from American Psycho

8. Louis Mazzini from kind hearts and coronets

9. Frank from Once Upon a time in the west

10. De Aguirre from Aguirre, Wrath of god- Klaus Kinski is terrifying

11. Captain Rhodes from Day of the dead

12. Harry Powell from Night of the hunter

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#19 SaintLeonidas
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Definitely one of my favorite performances of all time, he just completely emerged himself into the role, and in my opinion his death had nothing to do with it, I was totally excited and hyped to see his performance long before he died. Plus anyone who thinks publicity can somehow effect a performance that already happened is crazy, it is ridiculous to think that we would not like the performance as much if he was still alive because alive or dead the performance would have been the same. He was totally deserving of the Oscar win and his role is one of the greatest villains of all time.

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Hannibal Lector is one of my favorites.

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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Good: Yes.
Great: Yes.
ZOMFG I'm a teenager and I think he was awesome!!!1!11oneone! Ledger's the best!!!: No.

He did the part very well, but it's not like he invented the role itself.

-Russ93

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I agree, and I feel bad for Jack Nicholson, most kids nowadays don't even know about his great performance in the "original". Let's not forget Cesar Romero's interpretation :)

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Heath's joker was pretty good, but there are many villains I think are much better.

Film-Guy

Film, just curious, who are your favorite movie villians?

I got a couple, here are my favorite though:)

3. Little Bill Daggett from Unforgiven- Gene Hackman is amazing

4. Hannibal Lector

9. Frank from Once Upon a time in the west

These ones I particularly agree with (especially the first two). Much as I love Clint Eastwood, Gene Hackman clearly gave the best performance in Unforgiven.

Most of the rest of the movies I haven't seen (though I loved Blade Runner, I wouldn't put in my top villains).

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[QUOTE="-Russ93"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Good: Yes.
Great: Yes.
ZOMFG I'm a teenager and I think he was awesome!!!1!11oneone! Ledger's the best!!!: No.

He did the part very well, but it's not like he invented the role itself.

10thwonder

this

I agree, and I feel bad for Jack Nicholson, most kids nowadays don't even know about his great performance in the "original". Let's not forget Cesar Romero's interpretation :)

Jack Nicholson is my least favorite actor of any movie or any time period ever.

I really can't stand him.

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Good: Yes.
Great: Yes.
ZOMFG I'm a teenager and I think he was awesome!!!1!11oneone! Ledger's the best!!!: No.

He did the part very well, but it's not like he invented the role itself.

Legendaryscmt

The role may not be original but his execution of it was pretty much his own. The walk and hunch, the way he talked, the lip licking, his laugh, even the make up and scars were all mainly his own. The whole idea about how The Joker would be in The Dark Knight was basically all his idea, he sat down with Nolan and said "I want to do it like this". I could not see anyone pulling off what he did in the film.

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#25 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="10thwonder"]

[QUOTE="-Russ93"]

this

avatar_genius

I agree, and I feel bad for Jack Nicholson, most kids nowadays don't even know about his great performance in the "original". Let's not forget Cesar Romero's interpretation :)

Jack Nicholson is my least favorite actor of any movie or any time period ever.

I really can't stand him.

You didn't like him in Chinatown or One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest? :?

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[QUOTE="10thwonder"]

[QUOTE="-Russ93"]

this

avatar_genius

I agree, and I feel bad for Jack Nicholson, most kids nowadays don't even know about his great performance in the "original". Let's not forget Cesar Romero's interpretation :)

Jack Nicholson is my least favorite actor of any movie or any time period ever.

I really can't stand him.

I always describe Jack Nicholson's Joker performance this way: "Jack Nicholson AS Jack Nicholson AS The Joker" :P
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Ledger's best role: Nochessmaster1989
Which was?
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Ledger's best role: NoJandurin
Which was?

Brokeback Mountain (imo at least :P).

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Heath's joker was pretty good, but there are many villains I think are much better.

Film-Guy

Film, just curious, who are your favorite movie villians?

5. Lil Ze from City of god- Jesus this kid is insane

The character was great, amazing and all. The actor quite mediocre.

Im from brazil and have seen other works from him since the movie, and all he can do is Lil Ze with a diferent name.

Actually there has been some good 2 years since he worked, probably due to the fact no one can take his lil ze stigma. Also, 80% of the actors in those were not professional actors and you can clearly see that. City of God director is an amzing artist and was brilliant the way he could immerse those people so well into their roles. However, no one else could do that again

Also Film guy, if you liked City of God you (and everyone else) should watch this other great brazillian movie:

Tropa de Elite ( Elite Squad)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0861739/

If you havent already :)

TC, your analysis is very good. Although you focus more on the charecter "build" rather than the little details of Heath acting that made it amazing

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Ledger's best role: Nochessmaster1989

Which was?

Brokeback Mountain (imo at least :P).

I knew you were going to say that :x
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Heath's joker was pretty good, but there are many villains I think are much better.

Film-Guy

Film, just curious, who are your favorite movie villians?

I got a couple, here are my favorite though:)

1. Roy Batty from Blade Runner- Not really a villain I guess

2. John Ryder from The Hitcher- Rutger Hauer again

3. Little Bill Daggett from Unforgiven- Gene Hackman is amazing

4. Hannibal Lector

5. Lil Ze from City of god- Jesus this kid is insane

6. Stansfield from The Professional- Gary Oldman is awesome

7. Patrick Bateman from American Psycho

8. Louis Mazzini from kind hearts and coronets

9. Frank from Once Upon a time in the west

10. De Aguirre from Aguirre, Wrath of god- Klaus Kinski is terrifying

11. Captain Rhodes from Day of the dead

12. Harry Powell from Night of the hunter

Where is Anton Chugurgh?
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Ledger's best role: Nochessmaster1989

Which was?

Brokeback Mountain (imo at least :P).

10 Things I Hate About You :P, I always think of that scene from Not Another Teen Movie where Chris Evans sings Janie's Got a Gun and she gets tased.

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[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

[QUOTE="10thwonder"]

I agree, and I feel bad for Jack Nicholson, most kids nowadays don't even know about his great performance in the "original". Let's not forget Cesar Romero's interpretation :)

xaos

Jack Nicholson is my least favorite actor of any movie or any time period ever.

I really can't stand him.

I always describe Jack Nicholson's Joker performance this way: "Jack Nicholson AS Jack Nicholson AS The Joker" :P

Jack Nicholson perfomance compared to Heath is just one big joke(r)

Heath did not only make me forget about this, but also made me despise his acting. Too childish

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] Which was?10thwonder

Brokeback Mountain (imo at least :P).

10 Things I Hate About You :P, I always think of that scene from Not Another Teen Movie where Chris Evans sings Janie's Got a Gun and she gets tased.

i liked him most in the Knight movie >_>
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Ledger's best role: Nochessmaster1989

Which was?

Brokeback Mountain (imo at least :P).

I thought his role in Brokeback Mountain was just dull and boring.

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[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

[QUOTE="10thwonder"]

I agree, and I feel bad for Jack Nicholson, most kids nowadays don't even know about his great performance in the "original". Let's not forget Cesar Romero's interpretation :)

xaos

Jack Nicholson is my least favorite actor of any movie or any time period ever.

I really can't stand him.

I always describe Jack Nicholson's Joker performance this way: "Jack Nicholson AS Jack Nicholson AS The Joker" :P

Jack Nicholson plays himself in every movie, I mean, so do a lot of actors, but Jack is gross.

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I completely agree with the TC. I feel the Joker character is best when he is more of a sadistic psycho rather than the cheesey Nicholson portrayal and Ledger just fit that role so perfectly it was haunting. Rarely do you see an actor so immersed in their role that they seem to cease to be themselves. I did not see Ledger in the film but rather the character of the Joker himself.

I would say the only other performance I really hold in such a high regard would be Brad Pitt's role as Jeffrey in "Twelve Monkeys". He, like Ledger, takes the role to a whole new level by adding in unique mannerisms that just bring the character to life. He plays such a terrific psycho in that movie and has so much charisma I feel he totally steals that movie.

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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]I already know that Heath Ledger's Joker is one of the best performances of all time.th3warr1or
You've got to admit that Heath Ledger's death had a lot to do with the publicity.

That doesn't change his performance.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Heath's joker was pretty good, but there are many villains I think are much better.

Film-Guy

Film, just curious, who are your favorite movie villians?

I got a couple, here are my favorite though:)

1. Roy Batty from Blade Runner- Not really a villain I guess

2. John Ryder from The Hitcher- Rutger Hauer again

3. Little Bill Daggett from Unforgiven- Gene Hackman is amazing

4. Hannibal Lector

5. Lil Ze from City of god- Jesus this kid is insane

6. Stansfield from The Professional- Gary Oldman is awesome

7. Patrick Bateman from American Psycho

8. Louis Mazzini from kind hearts and coronets

9. Frank from Once Upon a time in the west

10. De Aguirre from Aguirre, Wrath of god- Klaus Kinski is terrifying

11. Captain Rhodes from Day of the dead

12. Harry Powell from Night of the hunter

That's a pretty bad list. John Ryder from The Hitcher, seriously?

EDIT: I realize it's your list. It just kind of seems like your grasping at some characters just to be original.

Oh, and how is Patrick Bateman a villain?

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So what does this have to do with Heath Ledger?
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I'll add that to me the portrayal of the Joker I found truest to the comic character has been Mark Hamill's voice work on the Batman and Justice League animated series
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His way was great. too bad he died.

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he was okay but there are better people out there
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TC is a year late, but yes i agree with everything you said

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#45 Film-Guy
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[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Film, just curious, who are your favorite movie villians?

sammyjenkis898

I got a couple, here are my favorite though:)

1. Roy Batty from Blade Runner- Not really a villain I guess

2. John Ryder from The Hitcher- Rutger Hauer again

3. Little Bill Daggett from Unforgiven- Gene Hackman is amazing

4. Hannibal Lector

5. Lil Ze from City of god- Jesus this kid is insane

6. Stansfield from The Professional- Gary Oldman is awesome

7. Patrick Bateman from American Psycho

8. Louis Mazzini from kind hearts and coronets

9. Frank from Once Upon a time in the west

10. De Aguirre from Aguirre, Wrath of god- Klaus Kinski is terrifying

11. Captain Rhodes from Day of the dead

12. Harry Powell from Night of the hunter

That's a pretty bad list. John Ryder from The Hitcher, seriously?

EDIT: I realize it's your list. It just kind of seems like your grasping at some characters just to be original.

Oh, and how is Patrick Bateman a villain?

Whats so bad about the list? Those are all terrific villains, are you saying that Klaus Kinski was not a good villain in Aguirre, the wrath of god? Patrick Bateman is more of a anti hero I guess, but he does kill innocent people so I would call him a villain even if he is the main character. Also the hitcher may not be a great movie, but Rutger Hauer was great in it like he usually is.

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#46 mayforcebeyou
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i think the batman is the best and pwns the joker because eh looks cool
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#47 Toriko42
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Heath's joker was pretty good, but there are many villains I think are much better.

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Film, just curious, who are your favorite movie villians?

5. Lil Ze from City of god- Jesus this kid is insane

The first thing I think of when I think 'Movie villain', is Lil Ze. Hands down the greatest antagonist of all time and without a doubt the best performance.

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#48 300DarkKnights
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Well, I haven't seen all the classics and such (A Clockwork Orange, Citizen Kane, Casablanca, etc) but Ledger's performance as The Joker is above and beyond all the movies THAT I HAVE seen. Its so weird how he looks and seems so much NOT like Heath, if I had just got the movie, unaware of the actors in it, I would've never in a million years figured out that it was Heath Ledger. His voice is so raspy sounding, his laugh is demented, and he's sick & twisted. I think too, that it wasn't Heath Ledger, but the character The Joker took over completely (yeah someone already said something like this). The Dark Knight is my favorite movie ever made, and besides 300, nothing comes close to being as great. The Joker stole the spotlight in this movie too.
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#49 avatar_genius
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Film, just curious, who are your favorite movie villians?

Toriko42

5. Lil Ze from City of god- Jesus this kid is insane

The first thing I think of when I think 'Movie villain', is Lil Ze. Hands down the greatest antagonist of all time and without a doubt the best performance.

Now I know what I'm renting next.

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#50 CBR600-RR
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I already know that Heath Ledger's Joker is one of the best performances of all time.sammyjenkis898

My thoughts exactly, it was great. :)