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[QUOTE="MystikFollower"][QUOTE="xaos"] In a similar way that there are 500 subgenres of metal, sure; not much science behind either concept, thoughxaos
Or in the way that time is considered something completely real by society and we live in a world of time, while physicists have slowly been discovering that "time" as anything more than a concept created by humans, does not exist in science.
Race falls into that same list of conceptual creations our society has invented to categorize and differentiate everything.
Oh dear, erm, time most definitely absolutely objectively exists, just as space does...I understand the theories supporting a "timeless" universe aren't fully accepted by mainsteam science, but I've read most of the articles on them, and I support the idea. I believe our perception of time comes from the fact that we are pieces in a system of countless pieces, constantly moving, so in our observations of the relationships between these objects, we get the illusion of time. I believe in the next 5 years or so, physics are going to move much closer to fully supporting the idea that time, as a fundamental part of the Universe, does not actually exist.
You do know that there are many Mexicans of European descent, right?Well I'm going to just start calling white people Mexicans to even the playing field.
kidsmelly
Oh dear, erm, time most definitely absolutely objectively exists, just as space does...[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="MystikFollower"]
Or in the way that time is considered something completely real by society and we live in a world of time, while physicists have slowly been discovering that "time" as anything more than a concept created by humans, does not exist in science.
Race falls into that same list of conceptual creations our society has invented to categorize and differentiate everything.
MystikFollower
I understand the theories supporting a "timeless" universe aren't fully accepted by mainsteam science, but I've read most of the articles on them, and I support the idea. I believe our perception of time comes from the fact that we are pieces in a system of countless pieces, constantly moving, so in our observations of the relationships between these objects, we get the illusion of time. I believe in the next 5 years or so, physics are going to move much closer to fully supporting the idea that time, as a fundamental part of the Universe, does not actually exist.
How are things moving if there is no time? What does this even mean?lol. when are we just call people, people?
x-wing20
don't the various 'races' have different facial structures etc. They are identifiably different. Though it is pretty petty.
[QUOTE="MystikFollower"][QUOTE="xaos"] Oh dear, erm, time most definitely absolutely objectively exists, just as space does...xaos
I understand the theories supporting a "timeless" universe aren't fully accepted by mainsteam science, but I've read most of the articles on them, and I support the idea. I believe our perception of time comes from the fact that we are pieces in a system of countless pieces, constantly moving, so in our observations of the relationships between these objects, we get the illusion of time. I believe in the next 5 years or so, physics are going to move much closer to fully supporting the idea that time, as a fundamental part of the Universe, does not actually exist.
How are things moving if there is no time? What does this even mean?It's not a concept readily understandable even for me cause it deals with complex physical equations that make my head explode, but Scientific American had a very interesting article on the whole thing, showing the viewpoints from both sides. Basically there's a hell of a lot of evidence to support the idea that time fundamentally doesn't exist, but there's also a lot of evidence to show that it DOES exist (such as, for example, our observation that things move and change over "time")
I suggest checking out this article though as it explains the theories a lot better than I can. If they discover the Universe is essentially timeless it'll be quite the interesting day for philosophy. It would mean a contradiction exists. That time does not exist, but it does.
How are things moving if there is no time? What does this even mean?[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="MystikFollower"]
I understand the theories supporting a "timeless" universe aren't fully accepted by mainsteam science, but I've read most of the articles on them, and I support the idea. I believe our perception of time comes from the fact that we are pieces in a system of countless pieces, constantly moving, so in our observations of the relationships between these objects, we get the illusion of time. I believe in the next 5 years or so, physics are going to move much closer to fully supporting the idea that time, as a fundamental part of the Universe, does not actually exist.
MystikFollower
It's not a concept readily understandable even for me cause it deals with complex physical equations that make my head explode, but Scientific American had a very interesting article on the whole thing, showing the viewpoints from both sides. Basically there's a hell of a lot of evidence to support the idea that time fundamentally doesn't exist, but there's also a lot of evidence to show that it DOES exist (such as, for example, our observation that things move and change over "time")
I suggest checking out this article though as it explains the theories a lot better than I can. If they discover the Universe is essentially timeless it'll be quite the interesting day for philosophy. It would mean a contradiction exists. That time does not exist, but it does.
Skimming the article, it seems even more speculative than string theory; if they come up with some testable or predictive data associated with it, I'll pay attention. Otherwise, it's not much more than late night stoner talk so far :P[QUOTE="MystikFollower"][QUOTE="xaos"] How are things moving if there is no time? What does this even mean?xaos
It's not a concept readily understandable even for me cause it deals with complex physical equations that make my head explode, but Scientific American had a very interesting article on the whole thing, showing the viewpoints from both sides. Basically there's a hell of a lot of evidence to support the idea that time fundamentally doesn't exist, but there's also a lot of evidence to show that it DOES exist (such as, for example, our observation that things move and change over "time")
I suggest checking out this article though as it explains the theories a lot better than I can. If they discover the Universe is essentially timeless it'll be quite the interesting day for philosophy. It would mean a contradiction exists. That time does not exist, but it does.
Skimming the article, it seems even more speculative than string theory; if they come up with some testable or predictive data associated with it, I'll pay attention. Otherwise, it's not much more than late night stoner talk so far :P:P Well I do need something interesting to talk about at night..
Wow, I ought to start using this, think of the possibilities!
"Just because I disagree with Obama's policies doesn't mean I hate Canadians."
"Yeah, heIS unusually articulate for a Canadian"
"Once you've been with a Canadian, you never go back"
What, you mean the C-word? Can I be modded for censor bypassing if I say "C*n*d**n"?I didn't know that, and I'm white. People shouldn't give so much power to a word anyway.
smokeydabear076
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]What, you mean the C-word? Can I be modded for censor bypassing if I say "C*n*d**n"?Probably! :oI didn't know that, and I'm white. People shouldn't give so much power to a word anyway.
xaos
[QUOTE="x-wing20"][QUOTE="ShadowofTulkas"]I don't like the whole idea of another "race." Everybody is the same! Aren't we all just human beings? Why involve the word "race"?DivergeUnify
scientifically there is no such thing as race. any talk of race is essentially a waste of time.
because race isn't a scientific concept... that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.When people speak of racism, what they actually speak of is culturalism, because their are ethnics and cultures, but there is only one race of humanity.
Wow... Ouch.. If someone called me a canadian I think I would run away in tears.. I mean who honestly deserves an insult like that?
Skimming the article, it seems even more speculative than string theory; if they come up with some testable or predictive data associated with it, I'll pay attention. Otherwise, it's not much more than late night stoner talk so far :P[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="MystikFollower"]
It's not a concept readily understandable even for me cause it deals with complex physical equations that make my head explode, but Scientific American had a very interesting article on the whole thing, showing the viewpoints from both sides. Basically there's a hell of a lot of evidence to support the idea that time fundamentally doesn't exist, but there's also a lot of evidence to show that it DOES exist (such as, for example, our observation that things move and change over "time")
I suggest checking out this article though as it explains the theories a lot better than I can. If they discover the Universe is essentially timeless it'll be quite the interesting day for philosophy. It would mean a contradiction exists. That time does not exist, but it does.
MystikFollower
:P Well I do need something interesting to talk about at night..
there's nothing speculative about it. the reasoning behind space-time is that there is a ''maximal'' speed achievable in our universe aka the speed of light. What relativity tells us is that you can replace time with light as a result thus abstracting the meaning of ''time''.because race isn't a scientific concept... that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="x-wing20"]
scientifically there is no such thing as race. any talk of race is essentially a waste of time.
Lach0121
When people speak of racism, what they actually speak of is culturalism, because their are ethnics and cultures, but there is only one race of humanity.
I beg to differ. Calling ''humanity'' a race is faulty by definition, unless you assume there are aliens and we can have sex with them. before you laugh check out what is the actual definitions of race and species. a species is defined grocelly as ''lifeforms that can reproduce togheter'' while race is a sub group of a species having various physical differences but still being able to reproduce. the phrasing ''human race'' is a cool and poetic way of describing our mindset. but at the end of the day, humans are a species, not a race, unless you can prove space sex. ;)[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] because race isn't a scientific concept... that doesn't mean it doesn't exist._7h0m_
When people speak of racism, what they actually speak of is culturalism, because their are ethnics and cultures, but there is only one race of humanity.
I beg to differ. Calling ''humanity'' a race is faulty by definition, unless you assume there are aliens and we can have sex with them. before you laugh check out what is the actual definitions of race and species. a species is defined grocelly as ''lifeforms that can reproduce togheter'' while race is a sub group of a species having various physical differences but still being able to reproduce. the phrasing ''human race'' is a cool and poetic way of describing our mindset. but at the end of the day, humans are a species, not a race, unless you can prove space sex. ;)Ok, Im not really disagreeing with you here, cause you bring a good point up.
But what I was talking about is there isn't any real big differences between black people and white people and so forth, the main differences are in the cultures themselves.
Though there could very well be aliens out there that we could reproduce with, it is possible. So the very definitions you have now could change given different findings over time correct?
there's nothing speculative about it. the reasoning behind space-time is that there is a ''maximal'' speed achievable in our universe aka the speed of light._7h0m_Quite true.
What relativity tells us is that you can replace time with light as a result thus abstracting the meaning of ''time''._7h0m_Quite- WHA HUH??? I'm not even sure how anything in relativity could be construed this way. Essentially, relativity says that no information encoded in any of the fundamental fields can be conveyed at greater speeds than c. It shows a pretty basic connection between these forces (electromagnetism, gravity and the weak and strong nuclear forces). It doesn't say anything at all like "time can be replaced with light," though admittedly I am not at all sure what you are trying to say here ;)
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