Hey you Atheist... Explain ghosts!

[QUOTE="unholymight"] If you look at Charles Sanders Peirce's solution to the liar's paradox, the answer for our case here would be: "Not nothing can be shown to be true". Vandalvideo

If it is not not X, then isn't that X? Not nothing can be shown to be true means something can be shown to be true right.

Not nothing here should mean "some things can be shown to be true but not necessarily everything". This is because the given solution would only conclude that our statement is false.

Yes that is what it means. Do you have something else to say about it?

Ghosts don't exists, you're telling me in a world were everyone and there mother has a cellphone which has a camera there isn't a single convincing ghost caught on camera? Brainkiller05

not everyone has a cellphone in fact 1.5 out of every 2 people dont have cell phones

lmao if u took this seriously and flame me for it i will lose faith in humanity

I hate those ghost shows. That's all my mom ever watches.rockguy92

Really? My Mom watches Food Network, House, Psych, Home and Gardening, and some other stuff :P

She hates those Ghost Shows though.

Ghosts has about as much legitimacy as Dragons, Mermaids, Unicorns, and Big Foot.

How has this thread gone on so long when there was a logical fallacy in the very first post?

1) There is no concrete evidence of the supernatural.

2) Even if there was that would be evidence of the supernatural, not [insert here].

In the Protestant Bible, one of the gospel authors describes Jesus walking on water, like a ghost or spirit hovering above the waters. There have always been the awareness of spirits, or "Ghosts" for thousands of years, whether they are real or not.

I believe in spirits. Demon possesion is a real thing, not going to get into that, but I believe there are evil spirits among us that many aren't even aware of. Being a man of faith, I believe that many of these spirits are demons trying to toy with us. Satan is the ruler of Earth and im sure his minions are these spirits that often "haunt" areas. With this being said, I think that 99% of what is seen as evidence on TV, the internet, or even books is bogus. I have encountered two "ghostly" instances in my life, one of which can be explained by techtonic plates in the earth. There is a hill in Maryland where you can put your car in neutral and get out, and watch your car slowly climb the hill. (I have done this several times) But this doesn't even prove ghosts exist. Many locals like to believe in this hill, but science can prove it wrong.

The only time I have heard something unexplainable, is when two of my friends and I during highschool decided to go check out Antietam battle field late at night. (Apparently one of the most haunted areas around...) We didn't encounter anything for an hour until we heard gunshots and heard three different screams. It was like the gunshots were around 50 yards behind us and the screams were pretty far ahead. We all **** ran like hell back to the car and none of us really know what to make of it lol.

Just something I wanted to know from anAtheist's point of view...

Steameffekt

They don't exist. Wow, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

In the Protestant Bible, one of the gospel authors describes Jesus walking on water, like a ghost or spirit hovering above the waters. There have always been the awareness of spirits, or "Ghosts" for thousands of years, whether they are real or not.

I believe in spirits. Demon possesion is a real thing, not going to get into that, but I believe there are evil spirits among us that many aren't even aware of. Being a man of faith, I believe that many of these spirits are demons trying to toy with us. Satan is the ruler of Earth and im sure his minions are these spirits that often "haunt" areas. With this being said, I think that 99% of what is seen as evidence on TV, the internet, or even books is bogus. I have encountered two "ghostly" instances in my life, one of which can be explained by techtonic plates in the earth. There is a hill in Maryland where you can put your car in neutral and get out, and watch your car slowly climb the hill. (I have done this several times) But this doesn't even prove ghosts exist. Many locals like to believe in this hill, but science can prove it wrong.

The only time I have heard something unexplainable, is when two of my friends and I during highschool decided to go check out Antietam battle field late at night. (Apparently one of the most haunted areas around...) We didn't encounter anything for an hour until we heard gunshots and heard three different screams. It was like the gunshots were around 50 yards behind us and the screams were pretty far ahead. We all **** ran like hell back to the car and none of us really know what to make of it lol.

seimagery

The only time I have heard something unexplainable, is when two of my friends and I during highschool decided to go check out Antietam battle field late at night. (Apparently one of the most haunted areas around...) We didn't encounter anything for an hour until we heard gunshots and heard three different screams. It was like the gunshots were around 50 yards behind us and the screams were pretty far ahead. We all **** ran like hell back to the car and none of us really know what to make of it lol.seimagery

I will admit there is no concrete evidence for what I believe.

And there wouldn't be anyone firing a gun killing three people on Antietam battle field...trust me, we were in a clearing about half a mile from the entrance, we would have seen someone, or seen fireworks. We all tried to come up with a logical explanation, as my one friend def. doesn't believe in this kind of stuff, but we still can't haha.

Antietam is notorious for this kind of stuff, google it and find all kinds of nutjobs with their "evidence". But this is the closest thing to an encounter for me personally.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Ghosts don't exists Steameffekt

Explain this

EPIC PHOTOBOMB

I am going to delete my last post for I am going to hide it from Theokhoth.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Ghosts don't exists, you're telling me in a world were everyone and there mother has a cellphone which has a camera there isn't a single convincing ghost caught on camera? Brainkiller05

You saw the Bleeding Host? The Host is a Representation of the Body of Jesus.

Seeing as there were no Cameras BAck then, where would an artist formulate this exact Image? Why are there so many similar paintings of God, they all represent the same image? Did all the artists copy this one Image?

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Who says ghosts CAN be caught on camera? BumFluff122

And there are cameras that can detect ultraviolet. As well as infrared.

Sure, the majority of people don't have IR or UV capable cameras. But if we're simply talking merely about cameras not being able to detect a small range of visible wavelengths, then I'd wager that these Ghost Hunters would be utilizing well-known and fairly inexpensive technology. It actually doesn't take a whole lot to convert a lot of common digital cameras into cameras that can detect UV or IR (or all of the above).

I'm almost positive where I live is haunted. It makes me sound like I've gone coocoo, but I've had cabinet doors shut, I've had a lid on a listerine bottle close while I was going to the bathroom, and creepiest of all, I've had the keys on my (piano) keyboard pressed while I was sitting right next to it. Its not like it happens every day, something like it usually happens about once every other month, but when it happens, it creeps the poop out of me.

And there are cameras that can detect ultraviolet. As well as infrared.

Sure, the majority of people don't have IR or UV capable cameras. But if we're simply talking merely about cameras not being able to detect a small range of visible wavelengths, then I'd wager that these Ghost Hunters would be utilizing well-known and fairly inexpensive technology. It actually doesn't take a whole lot to convert a lot of common digital cameras into cameras that can detect UV or IR (or all of the above).

MrGeezer

I'm almost positive where I live is haunted. It makes me sound like I've gone coocoo, but I've had cabinet doors shut, I've had a lid on a listerine bottle close while I was going to the bathroom, and creepiest of all, I've had the keys on my (piano) keyboard pressed while I was sitting right next to it. Its not like it happens every day, something like it usually happens about once every other month, but when it happens, it creeps the poop out of me.

magnax1

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

I'm almost positive where I live is haunted. It makes me sound like I've gone coocoo, but I've had cabinet doors shut, I've had a lid on a listerine bottle close while I was going to the bathroom, and creepiest of all, I've had the keys on my (piano) keyboard pressed while I was sitting right next to it. Its not like it happens every day, something like it usually happens about once every other month, but when it happens, it creeps the poop out of me.

KHAndAnime

Lol, I knew some one would say that, but I saw a doctor about it a couple years ago, and they said I'm fine. It didn't happen when I lived somewhere else, it doesn't happen when I'm somewhere other than my home, and I've actually had a friend that said hes had something happen to him in my house. Its freakin creepy. I never believed in anything like that before I moved here, but its hard not to when its happening to you.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

And there are cameras that can detect ultraviolet. As well as infrared.

Sure, the majority of people don't have IR or UV capable cameras. But if we're simply talking merely about cameras not being able to detect a small range of visible wavelengths, then I'd wager that these Ghost Hunters would be utilizing well-known and fairly inexpensive technology. It actually doesn't take a whole lot to convert a lot of common digital cameras into cameras that can detect UV or IR (or all of the above).

BumFluff122

Look up MaxMax and LifePixel.

Again, these kinds of conversions are relatively cheap and easy. You can actually save money and do these conversions yourself, if you've got a clean room and know what you're doing.

In any case, you're talking about a camera conversion of a few hundred bucks, at most. In any case, that's cheap. Ghost "EXPERTS" may do these kinds of conversions, and they still don't find ghosts (even though they are "experts").

Aside from that, ghost hunters are not even remotely the only people usiing IR and UV capable cameras. And still, no ghosts.

Explain unproven phenomenon... Yeah, I think you actually need definitive proof of ghosts before you try and come up with a scientific explanation for them.

I noticed most people who experienced ghosts, are usually religious. :?

I noticed most people who experienced ghosts, are usually religious. :?

-Water-Wings-

Look up MaxMax and LifePixel.

Again, these kinds of conversions are relatively cheap and easy. You can actually save money and do these conversions yourself, if you've got a clean room and know what you're doing.

In any case, you're talking about a camera conversion of a few hundred bucks, at most. In any case, that's cheap. Ghost "EXPERTS" may do these kinds of conversions, and they still don't find ghosts (even though they are "experts").

Aside from that, ghost hunters are not even remotely the only people usiing IR and UV capable cameras. And still, no ghosts.

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="Steameffekt"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Ghosts don't exists leperphiliac

Explain this

lmao are you serious, it's a dog, nothing more, nothing less.....maybe it's the chupacabra!!!!

If God exist, why would he leave wondering spirits in this world if it's in the realm of his powers of something he can take care of since he can't do anything about actual humans? Explain this. He must be doing a lousy job if he can't escort a simple ghost to his destination...

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Look up MaxMax and LifePixel.

Again, these kinds of conversions are relatively cheap and easy. You can actually save money and do these conversions yourself, if you've got a clean room and know what you're doing.

In any case, you're talking about a camera conversion of a few hundred bucks, at most. In any case, that's cheap. Ghost "EXPERTS" may do these kinds of conversions, and they still don't find ghosts (even though they are "experts").

Aside from that, ghost hunters are not even remotely the only people usiing IR and UV capable cameras. And still, no ghosts.

BumFluff122

but cameras mostly DO "see" the same wavelengths of light as us. Most modern cameras are DESIGNED to see the same light that we do, in order to more better result in an image which is approximately what we saw. Conventional digital camera sensors are sensitive to a significantly GREATER range of light than the human eye. Just, the extra wavelengths often get "cut off" by the camera designer so as not to throw off things such as color balance.

The whole "we can see wavelengths that the camera can't" argument fails because most cameras today are DESIGNED to be sensitive to approximately the same wavelengths of light as the human eye.

but cameras mostly DO "see" the same wavelengths of light as us. Most modern cameras are DESIGNED to see the same light that we do, in order to more better result in an image which is approximately what we saw. Conventional digital camera sensors are sensitive to a significantly GREATER range of light than the human eye. Just, the extra wavelengths often get "cut off" by the camera designer so as not to throw off things such as color balance.

The whole "we can see wavelengths that the camera can't" argument fails because most cameras today are DESIGNED to be sensitive to approximately the same wavelengths of light as the human eye.

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

but cameras mostly DO "see" the same wavelengths of light as us. Most modern cameras are DESIGNED to see the same light that we do, in order to more better result in an image which is approximately what we saw. Conventional digital camera sensors are sensitive to a significantly GREATER range of light than the human eye. Just, the extra wavelengths often get "cut off" by the camera designer so as not to throw off things such as color balance.

The whole "we can see wavelengths that the camera can't" argument fails because most cameras today are DESIGNED to be sensitive to approximately the same wavelengths of light as the human eye.

BumFluff122

Of course it's not EXACT. Hell, not all people see exactly the same. You might be able to sense a slightly broader range of sounds and colors than me.

But we can make general and approximate statements.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed /thread. This being the millionth incarnation of this thread i tell all the believers not to bother, the skeptics will never believe. And if you ask them to go ghost hunting they will just chicken out. X360PS3AMD05

Ah yes, again with the mystical "energy".

As before, when my computer suddenly breaks, where did the energy go? Ooooh, creepy!

Of course it's not EXACT. Hell, not all people see exactly the same. You might be able to sense a slightly broader range of sounds and colors than me.

But we can make general and approximate statements.

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Of course it's not EXACT. Hell, not all people see exactly the same. You might be able to sense a slightly broader range of sounds and colors than me.

But we can make general and approximate statements.

BumFluff122

Yeah, coincidentally the ONLY ones who see ghosts are the ones who just happen to be using "the wrong camera".

And it's just coincidence that the guys with "the right camera" somehow manage to NEVER accidentally film a ghost.

They probably don't exist. http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Ghostlinkthewindow

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed /thread. This being the millionth incarnation of this thread i tell all the believers not to bother, the skeptics will never believe. And if you ask them to go ghost hunting they will just chicken out. X360PS3AMD05

Yeah, coincidentally the ONLY ones who see ghosts are the ones who just happen to be using "the wrong camera".

And it's just coincidence that the guys with "the right camera" somehow manage to NEVER accidentally film a ghost.

MrGeezer

Who me? :o

Well I don't believe in the paranormal, any sort of visual representation of what people think are ghosts are more then likely explainable by light and a trick of the eye.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Yeah, coincidentally the ONLY ones who see ghosts are the ones who just happen to be using "the wrong camera".

And it's just coincidence that the guys with "the right camera" somehow manage to NEVER accidentally film a ghost.

BumFluff122

And I claim to have once seen Pumpkinhead.

Now ask me for evidence. I dare you.