Hospital Bills Parents of Murdered student $29k, for 5 Minutes int the ER

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#1 duxup
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UC Davis Medical Center needs to work on its billing system. It even gets worse than the title. On top of billing the parents of a murdered student for $29,000 for 5 min of ER services (they had insurance and mistakenly billed the parents). The hospital also inculded a letter directed to the diceased student noting that since he didn't have insurance he shoudn't come back to their hospital for any furter treatment.

Having 1.) Died at that hospital. and 2.) At $29,000 for five minutes of work it would seem unlikely he would ever reuturn there.

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This will be fixed when everyone has insurance thanks to the health care reforms which the system needs being accepted with open arms. Oh wait... :P
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#3 Ontain
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I'm not surprised at all by this. billing problems in hospitals happen all the time.
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I'm speechelss:|

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their shady ways will come back to them.

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#6 Saturos3091
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Broken billing system...they need to fix that. Something with that price sounds wrong, perhaps the fact it's $29,000 for 5 minutes? :|

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#7 Ontain
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Broken billing system...they need to fix that. Something with that price sounds wrong, perhaps the fact it's $29,000 for 5 minutes? :|

Saturos3091
no.. that's probably right for intense ER care. which is why we need to get ppl on doctors rather than using the ER.
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id never pay it
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#9 duxup
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Broken billing system...they need to fix that. Something with that price sounds wrong, perhaps the fact it's $29,000 for 5 minutes? :|

Saturos3091

The hospital's theory is that once you enter the ER, you are paying for all the experts and services the ER has ready to help you regardless if you need or use them. Also insurance companies make deals with hospitals for various services so insurance companies pay far less than what they would bill someone who wanted to pay cash them self or does not have the clout of an insurance company.

Both are sadly common broked up practices.

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This will be fixed when everyone has insurance thanks to the health care reforms which the system needs being accepted with open arms. Oh wait... :PDoctor-McNinja
We can only dream. :(

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One particular item that I'll always remember from one of my ER bills was the Aspirin.

Aspirin: $14

Aspirin Administration: $35

WTF is aspirin administration? $35 for a nurse to hand me a pill and glass of water?

Our health system sucks, neo-cons are just going to have to suck it up and deal with reality.

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According to Glenn Beck, our health system in the world.

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According to Glenn Beck, our health system in the world.

mithrixx
Of course its in the world. Who's Gleen Beck kidding with this time? Keith?
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One particular item that I'll always remember from one of my ER bills was the Aspirin.

Aspirin: $14

Aspirin Administration: $35

WTF is aspirin administration? $35 for a nurse to hand me a pill and glass of water?

Our health system sucks, neo-cons are just going to have to suck it up and deal with reality.

br0kenrabbit

Medications are always more expensive in a hospital. Because, the hospital has to pay the pharmacist, the pharmacy tech, the nurse, the HUC, the physician, and the individual in charge of creating and updating the drug information and data within the electronic medical record, as well as, the person that monitors the EMR. All of those people keep medication errors from occurring in hospitals that have such systems. When you walk into the ER, a series of rather incredible events has to take place to guarantee your safety and well-being during your hospital stay. Demanding that hospitals charge less when many break even or are even in debt as I type is clearly not the answer.

A hospital charges what it does to hopefully break even on all the essential services it provides. The best nurses, staff, and doctors along with the best technology, laboratory, and new drug access do not come cheap. In fact, the hospital I work at is quoted as being one of the best in the nation and it is reducing the quality of the health insurance is provides to its employees due to financial constraints.

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Humanity is dying as we speak.

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$29K? What the heck did they do during that 5 minutes?!

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#18 br0kenrabbit
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According to Glenn Beck, our health system in the world.

mithrixx

The same Glenn Beck who said Getting well in this country can kill you?

In the space of a single election, Mr. Beck went from calling for health reform to calling our health system 'The best in the world'.

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Medications are always more expensive in a hospital. Because, the hospital has to pay the pharmacist, the pharmacy tech, the nurse, the HUC, the physician, and the individual in charge of creating and updating the drug information and data within the electronic medical record, as well as, the person that monitors the EMR. All of those people keep medication errors from occurring in hospitals that have such systems. When you walk into the ER, a series of rather incredible events has to take place to guarantee your safety and well-being during your hospital stay. Demanding that hospitals charge less when many break even or are even in debt as I type is clearly not the answer.

A hospital charges what it does to hopefully break even on all the essential services it provides. The best nurses, staff, and doctors along with the best technology, laboratory, and new drug access do not come cheap. In fact, the hospital I work at is quoted as being one of the best in the nation and it is reducing the quality of the health insurance is provides to its employees due to financial constraints.

drj077

In a supply&demand economy, once services are priced out of reach demand goes down as supply increases. The companies either become more effecient and bring prices back down to affordable levels, or price themselves right out of existence.

The problem with applying this model to health care is that it is often not an option to the person involved. If you have a bone protruding from your arm, you can't just ignore it and consider health care a privilege that can be forgone.

Because of the always-on demand, there's no reason for hospitals, hospital equipment manufacturers, drug makers, etc., to control costs. People are going to pay whatever they have to to get fixed.

If any other service had increased in price the past 20 years the way the health-care sector has, it would be out of business right now. It's a sloppy system, with an unfair burden on the American People because we pay for the Research and Development for the rest of the world, simply because the rest of the world has price controls in place.

It certainly needs fixing.

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$29K? What the heck did they do during that 5 minutes?!

Pirate700

Used their professional status to declare him dead. They then had to make a certificate of death from Oz and fax it over.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

$29K? What the heck did they do during that 5 minutes?!

CJL13

Used their professional status to declare him dead. They then had to make a certificate of death from Oz and fax it over.

I guarantee you the insurance company refuses payment to the hospital. There is nothing that gets done in 5 minutes that costs $30k.

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[QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

$29K? What the heck did they do during that 5 minutes?!

Pirate700

Used their professional status to declare him dead. They then had to make a certificate of death from Oz and fax it over.

I guarantee you the insurance company refuses payment to the hospital. There is nothing that gets done in 5 minutes that costs $30k.

i beg to differ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNVrMZX2kms

took about 3 seconds.. cost tens of thousands of dollars :wink:

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

Used their professional status to declare him dead. They then had to make a certificate of death from Oz and fax it over.

comp_atkins

I guarantee you the insurance company refuses payment to the hospital. There is nothing that gets done in 5 minutes that costs $30k.

i beg to differ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNVrMZX2kms

took about 3 seconds.. cost tens of thousands of dollars :wink:

I meant medically. :lol:

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$29K? What the heck did they do during that 5 minutes?!

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According to the hospital, they determined there was nothing they could do for him. No joke.
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#25 duxup
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[QUOTE="CJL13"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

$29K? What the heck did they do during that 5 minutes?!

Pirate700

Used their professional status to declare him dead. They then had to make a certificate of death from Oz and fax it over.

I guarantee you the insurance company refuses payment to the hospital. There is nothing that gets done in 5 minutes that costs $30k.

Well the insurance company wouldn't get charged $29k. They likely have a deal with the hospital cutting their rates beyond what someone without insurance pays.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="CJL13"]

Used their professional status to declare him dead. They then had to make a certificate of death from Oz and fax it over.

duxup

I guarantee you the insurance company refuses payment to the hospital. There is nothing that gets done in 5 minutes that costs $30k.

Well the insurance company wouldn't get charged $29k. They likely have a deal with the hospital cutting their rates beyond what someone without insurance pays.

Yeah cut it waaaay down. Like to under $500. :lol:

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That's sad, I can't imagine being his parents trying to grieve and getting THAT.
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#29 duxup
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]I guarantee you the insurance company refuses payment to the hospital. There is nothing that gets done in 5 minutes that costs $30k.

Pirate700

Well the insurance company wouldn't get charged $29k. They likely have a deal with the hospital cutting their rates beyond what someone without insurance pays.

Yeah cut it waaaay down. Like to under $500. :lol:

The price breaks they get in most states are kept secret.
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That's... startling.
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#31 ghoklebutter
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Those people are scum. How could they possibly do that to the parents? :|