House passes standalone DADT bill

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/15/gays.in.military/index.html

Looks like democrats are going to have a one last go to repeal the unconstitutional Don't Ask Don't Tell policy before the republicans take over the House in January. Hopefully it will pass in the Senate but unfortunately it probably wont due to the republicans who tend to block anything proposed by democrats.

How is Don't Ask, Don't Tell unconstitutional? Back when I was in, there was an outright ban on gay service personnel. At least with DADT, gays can serve as long as they keep their secret. I am not against gays from serving, but I don't want to know about it or who in my unit may be checking me out while we shower. There are others who feel the same way.

How is Don't Ask, Don't Tell unconstitutional? Back when I was in, there was an outright ban on gay service personnel. At least with DADT, gays can serve as long as they keep their secret. I am not against gays from serving, but I don't want to know about it or who in my unit may be checking me out while we shower. There are others who feel the same way.

WhiteKnight77

How is Don't Ask, Don't Tell unconstitutional? Back when I was in, there was an outright ban on gay service personnel. At least with DADT, gays can serve as long as they keep their secret.

WhiteKnight77

It won't get passed the Republicans in Senate. You could show them absolute proof that the effect would be hugely insignificant (which is really irrelevant as rights should never be taken to help bigots sleep at night) and they'd still vote against it.

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How is Don't Ask, Don't Tell unconstitutional? Back when I was in, there was an outright ban on gay service personnel. At least with DADT, gays can serve as long as they keep their secret.

xaos

Would you rather the US military go back to an outright ban on gays in the military? One lets them serve while the other prohibits them entirely. As I said, I don't care if they want to serve, I just do not want to know that they are gay Pretty straightforward to me.

Would you rather the US military go back to an outright ban on gays in the military? One lets them serve while the other prohibits them entirely. As I said, I don't care if they want to serve, I just do not want to know that they are gay Pretty straightforward to me.

WhiteKnight77

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Would you rather the US military go back to an outright ban on gays in the military? One lets them serve while the other prohibits them entirely. As I said, I don't care if they want to serve, I just do not want to know that they are gay Pretty straightforward to me.

xaos

The First Amendment has nothing to do with DADT...

When you join the military, you give up many rights. Freedom of Speech being one of them.

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Would you rather the US military go back to an outright ban on gays in the military? One lets them serve while the other prohibits them entirely. As I said, I don't care if they want to serve, I just do not want to know that they are gay Pretty straightforward to me.

SpartanMSU

The First Amendment has nothing to do with DADT...

When you join the military, you give up many rights. Freedom of Speech being one of them.

Would you rather the US military go back to an outright ban on gays in the military? One lets them serve while the other prohibits them entirely. As I said, I don't care if they want to serve, I just do not want to know that they are gay Pretty straightforward to me.

WhiteKnight77

I doubt many are concerned that they cannot gloat about their partner but rather the fact that if they are discovered to be a homosexual, they are removed from the military.

How is Don't Ask, Don't Tell unconstitutional? Back when I was in, there was an outright ban on gay service personnel. At least with DADT, gays can serve as long as they keep their secret. I am not against gays from serving, but I don't want to know about it or who in my unit may be checking me out while we shower. There are others who feel the same way.

WhiteKnight77

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How is Don't Ask, Don't Tell unconstitutional? Back when I was in, there was an outright ban on gay service personnel. At least with DADT, gays can serve as long as they keep their secret.

WhiteKnight77

Would you rather the US military go back to an outright ban on gays in the military? One lets them serve while the other prohibits them entirely. As I said, I don't care if they want to serve, I just do not want to know that they are gay Pretty straightforward to me.

People didn't like it when the military was desegregated but they got over it, and guess what DADT will get repealed, it might not be now but it will be eventually so you will have to get over it.

if i were going to war i cant think of a character i would rather have looking over my ass than shoreleave

if i were going to war i cant think of a character i would rather have looking over my ass than shoreleave

surrealnumber5

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if i were going to war i cant think of a character i would rather have looking over my ass than shoreleave

xaos

i think you have earned a rusty venture my dear friend

surrealnumber5

How is Don't Ask, Don't Tell unconstitutional? Back when I was in, there was an outright ban on gay service personnel. At least with DADT, gays can serve as long as they keep their secret. I am not against gays from serving, but I don't want to know about it or who in my unit may be checking me out while we shower. There are others who feel the same way.

WhiteKnight77

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

How is Don't Ask, Don't Tell unconstitutional? Back when I was in, there was an outright ban on gay service personnel. At least with DADT, gays can serve as long as they keep their secret.

WhiteKnight77

Would you rather the US military go back to an outright ban on gays in the military? One lets them serve while the other prohibits them entirely. As I said, I don't care if they want to serve, I just do not want to know that they are gay Pretty straightforward to me.

We're living in the 21st century, why can't people stop being homophobic and racist dumbasses? I mean honestly, this is getting ridiculous.

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How is Don't Ask, Don't Tell unconstitutional? Back when I was in, there was an outright ban on gay service personnel. At least with DADT, gays can serve as long as they keep their secret.

WhiteKnight77

Would you rather the US military go back to an outright ban on gays in the military? One lets them serve while the other prohibits them entirely. As I said, I don't care if they want to serve, I just do not want to know that they are gay Pretty straightforward to me.

We're living in the 21st century, why can't people stop being homophobic and racist dumbasses? I mean honestly, this is getting ridiculous.

SilentSoprano

There is no reasons why gays are not perfectly capable of doing the job they volunteered to do, but as the case ofLeonard Matlovich from 1975 shows, even decorated war veterans were discharged under the old system. I remember watching this take place from the time he first told his commander at Langley AFB. WTAR TV (it became WTKR TV) had news on it at least once a week. While is discharge was upgraded to Honorable, damned near everyone else was given a General Under Less Than Honorable discharge. One of the first questions asked back then was are you gay or ever had homosexual thoughts. If answered in the affirmative, recruits were shown the door. DADT at least allows gays to join. One of the provisions is you were not asked if you were gay or had such thoughts. That is a big step.

While you think DADT may get repealed, it might be a long time or it might not happen at all. The old saying don't count your chickens before they hatch comes to mind.

While you think DADT may get repealed, it might be a long time or it might not happen at all. The old saying don't count your chickens before they hatch comes to mind.WhiteKnight77

Hopefully the senate can shut the door on this silliness for a while, at least until the Dems get back in power.fidosim

The Senate ahould be able to pass it. Brown and Snowe support it and I think there are still a few more moderate republicans left too.

[QUOTE="fidosim"]Hopefully the senate can shut the door on this silliness for a while, at least until the Dems get back in power.HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="fidosim"]Hopefully the senate can shut the door on this silliness for a while, at least until the Dems get back in power.fidosim

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Yeah equality is silly isn't it?HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="fidosim"]Hopefully the senate can shut the door on this silliness for a while, at least until the Dems get back in power.fidosim

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="fidosim"] The idea that serving in the military is a "right" certainly is.fidosim

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Yeah equality is silly isn't it?mattbbpl

Actually, no. Not at all. Race is superficial and aesthetic, and sexuality is psychological.fidosim

Apparently it wasn't superficial enough to keep people from arguing against integration decades ago.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Kind of like how Blacks didn't have the right to serve with whites in the past amirite? xaos

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="fidosim"] The idea that serving in the military is a "right" certainly is.fidosim

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="fidosim"] Actually, no. Not at all. Race is superficial and aethetic, and sexuality is psychological.fidosim

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Employment isn't a right either, yet discrimination based on sexual orientation is still outlawed for private companies.HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="fidosim"] The idea that serving in the military is a "right" certainly is.fidosim

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="xaos"] Lol care to elaborate any relevance, even granting the premise (which I don't)xaos

Actually, no. Not at all.

1. Race is superficial and aethetic,

2. and sexuality is psychological.fidosim

1. Prove it.

2. Prove it.

I mean how do private companies equate to the military, taked with our national defense?fidosim

:?

The US government says it's illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation however they actively do so.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="fidosim"] I didn't realize it needed any more elaboration. What we think of as race is the effect that heritage has had on physical appearance. Sexual preference is a psychological trait.fidosim