How are conservatives going to bash Obamas new Afganistan announcement.

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#52 deactivated-5d3f5f1ece8fb
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I think its the smartest move the military has made in about 6 years, and in 40 minutes time after the announcement Nato pledged support. So my question is how will Rush and Sean bash this, or will they stay away and talk about health care because this is actually a very smart decision.?

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i dno.........I thought it was dumb how he announced our game plan.......the enemy is listening, duh

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#53 wstfld
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Thank God there is an exit strategy. When are we going to have electric cars so we can extract ourselves from that hell hole of a region completely.
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#54 Darthmatt
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It seems the biggest issue they have is the timeline. I can see why they don't like putting a timeline on the conflict, but there comes a point when we have to ask how long do we really want to be over there? Almost nine years so far and we are still grasping to maintain control. So how many more years would the conservatives keep throwing gas on the fire? Five? Ten more? Another issue I've noticed is the conservatives keep calling the Taliban the "terrorists". Calling them is a misleading tactic that distorts the reality that the US is just the latest military muscle caught in the current civil war being fought there. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, and in Afganistan you have two warring factions (civil war). Our real goal/target for going into Afganistan was to destroy AlQieda. A goal we missed a long time ago, and instead deflected our attention onto the Taliban.

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#55 darkfox101
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[QUOTE="PrimusGears"]

I think its the smartest move the military has made in about 6 years, and in 40 minutes time after the announcement Nato pledged support. So my question is how will Rush and Sean bash this, or will they stay away and talk about health care because this is actually a very smart decision.?

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i dno.........I thought it was dumb how he announced our game plan.......the enemy is listening, duh

I'm pretty sure there aware of that.. they did that with iraq and they thought we were going to attack amphibiously. Kind of LOL if your that guillable as a military commander though
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I find in humerous that America is getting so drawn into afganistan. You would think they would have lerned from Vietnam. You would think they would have learned by watching the Russians flail around in Afganistant. But no.

Meh, we shook off Vietnam syndrome a long time ago. Plus, we've fought insurgencies in the past and won. Thanks for your concern, but we can handle our business.

No we havn't Iraq is a prime example of this.. We reduced violence by buying off the enemies..
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#57 flazzle
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He should give the general what he requested or get completely out. And announcing a withdrawal date isn't strategically wise IMO

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#58 hoola
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Ugh, this just isn't going to stop. Basically, i don't know what republican warmongers are going to say. Maybe just stay silent. It isn't like the Taliban have giant red markers over their heads to make them look different from the good Afghan people. I am about 100% sure that we will never actually completely destroy the taliban.

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#59 peaceful_anger
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I think Obama is going to be bashed more by his own base on this decision than by conservatives. So maybe you want to look at the left first because they are the ones whining the loudest the day after.

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#60 Darthmatt
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Ugh, this just isn't going to stop. Basically, i don't know what republican warmongers are going to say. Maybe just stay silent. It isn't like the Taliban have giant red markers over their heads to make them look different from the good Afghan people. I am about 100% sure that we will never actually completely destroy the taliban.

hoola

I agree with that. The Taliban wont go away unless the US goes on a Genocidal campaign and wipes out every human life in that region. Its like saying the government is going to fight and win a war against people who believe the number 13 is unlucky. How do you fight an ideology with physical weapons? Sure you can kill a person, but their common belief that causes them to fight only gets stronger in the next person... unless you crush them so hard they lose the will to fight. But, to do that we would have to destroy their homes, their families, basically everything they hold dear.

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#61 DraugenCP
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Now America and the NATO are already knocking on everybody's door to send more troops and to lengthen their stay in Afghanistan. My country, Holland, is no exception, and I fear that the corrupt christian-democrat government will once again sell our country to the Americans. I'm really hoping we'll pull out of there as soon as possible, but I fear the worst.

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#62 Sword-Demon
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probably in the same fashion that liberals bashed bush's announcements

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#63 fidosim
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[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

I find in humerous that America is getting so drawn into afganistan. You would think they would have lerned from Vietnam. You would think they would have learned by watching the Russians flail around in Afganistant. But no.

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Meh, we shook off Vietnam syndrome a long time ago. Plus, we've fought insurgencies in the past and won. Thanks for your concern, but we can handle our business.

No we havn't Iraq is a prime example of this.. We reduced violence by buying off the enemies..

Iraq is an example of our success. The surge there worked and the government is functioning well. Now the doomsaying has moved on from Iraq to Afghanistan. And since even Obama himself has labeled Afghanistan as the "good fight", we'll see if the Democratic leadership really has the guts to do what needs to be done like Bush did.
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#64 BrownNoeser
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Why are we cheering the invasion of a country? Last time I checked storming onto the land and homes of other people without consent or justification is just brute tyranny.
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#65 teddyrob
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I can see him winning the Nobel peace prize for this.

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#66 -Sun_Tzu-
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Well, there are still a lot of questions I'd like to see answered. Like India's role in Afghanistan's future. I'm worried about what General McChrystal said in his report, warning that an increased Indian influence in the region is a bad thing. I think that McChrystal's view on this is very bizarre and misguided.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="fidosim"] Meh, we shook off Vietnam syndrome a long time ago. Plus, we've fought insurgencies in the past and won. Thanks for your concern, but we can handle our business. fidosim
No we havn't Iraq is a prime example of this.. We reduced violence by buying off the enemies..

Iraq is an example of our success. The surge there worked and the government is functioning well. Now the doomsaying has moved on from Iraq to Afghanistan. And since even Obama himself has labeled Afghanistan as the "good fight", we'll see if the Democratic leadership really has the guts to do what needs to be done like Bush did.

Well for one you still have ~100K troops in Iraq. Talk to me about success when the country is actually standing on its own

Secondly the realities of Iraq and Afghanistan are starkly different.

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I don't like the decision at all to be honest. I feel that nothing can be accomplished when we are trying to work with the most corrupt government in the world. Pull the troops out and save American lives.

And let another Taliban with Osama Binladen take over the country? No thanks. I remember what they did last time. We already abandoned them once, and we paid dearly for it.

First off, Osama Bin Laden was never in charge of the country. Second off, Al Qaeda is leaving Afghanistan in droves. Most US military commanders and national security advisers acknowledge this. We are primarily fighting the Taiblan; a group that has no transnational agenda. It wants to rule Afghanistan, not take over America or something absurd like that.

Also, why has this narrative emerged that Afghanistan was the place that all the 9/11 attackers were from and trained in? Hell, some of them trained RIGHT HERE IN THE US. Some of them were from Saudi Arabia. We could take over the entire world and terrorism would still exist. Fighting in Afghanistan just frees up extremist organizations to operate elsewhere with relative impunity...as our attention is obsessively focused on Afghanistan. They can move anywhere in the world they want. Fighting in Afghanistan isn't going to preclude or preempt anything.

So if the Taliban comes back, you don't think Al Qaeda would too? And when did I say Osama was in charge of the country? Yes, there was some training outside of the country (i.e. flight schools), but Afghanistan was where the attacks were planned and coordinated. There was definitely training there too. Besides, what is relavent now is that we leave the country in a stable condition. You can't go in to a country, remove the existing government, and not hold any responsibility for what happens next. If we leave before the country is stable, it will come back to haunt us.
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#69 psychobrew
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Why are we cheering the invasion of a country? Last time I checked storming onto the land and homes of other people without consent or justification is just brute tyranny.BrownNoeser
I haven't seen any cheering.
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#70 Theokhoth
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He said Islam is one of the world's great religions. They'll pick on that.

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The only problem I think they'd find with it is the timeline.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="fidosim"] Meh, we shook off Vietnam syndrome a long time ago. Plus, we've fought insurgencies in the past and won. Thanks for your concern, but we can handle our business. fidosim
No we havn't Iraq is a prime example of this.. We reduced violence by buying off the enemies..

Iraq is an example of our success. The surge there worked and the government is functioning well. Now the doomsaying has moved on from Iraq to Afghanistan. And since even Obama himself has labeled Afghanistan as the "good fight", we'll see if the Democratic leadership really has the guts to do what needs to be done like Bush did.

You do understand that we paid off and armed the 100k insurgeants for a time? This does not make them our allies, and they will turn on us and the government when it no longer benefits them.. We had this exact same relationship with people like Saddam Hussuien, Iran.. Etc etc.. They are not victories nor are they solution.. What guts was that of Bush? He took advantage of a situation in sprading misinformation and fearmongering to invade a country that had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11 only to have the war at a end with no after war plans what so ever.. This sounds more like stupidity rather than courage..
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He said Islam is one of the world's great religions. They'll pick on that.

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... I am not sure they will for that.. The only way I see that going is Obama saying "Well isn't it one of the greatest religions when it comes to the population world wide?".. After all giving the quality of religion is a matter of a opinion where something like this Obama would steer away form.