How can Americans Live like this?

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Eveel armee peeplz!

They should've known from hundreds+ feet up that the guy was a journalist!!

Eveel armee peeplz!

They should've known from hundreds+ feet up that the guy was a journalist!!

Xx_Hopeless_xX

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Eveel armee peeplz!

They should've known from hundreds+ feet up that the guy was a journalist!!

Solid_Tango

whats more sad is that people defend it :lol: :lol:

yea the dudes in the video were armed.

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Solid_Tango

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Empirefrtw

Every american engaged in AND condoned that act...therefore, we should have trouble sleping at night..

Its not the guys in the helicopters fault it was whoever ordered the attack. From orders the Airmen must've believed that they were the enemy. It shouldn't have happened and its bad. But Im not losing any sleep from it though. And still plan to enlist in the Marine Corps when I turn 18 next june.

And if you lived here you would know that they proably aren't. A high percentage of Military that come back suffer from Post Traumatic Stress disorder. And are in need of major counseling and therapy.

Its not the guys in the helicopters fault it was whoever ordered the attack. From orders the Airmen must've believed that they were the enemy. It shouldn't have happened and its bad. But Im not losing any sleep from it though. And still plan to enlist in the Marine Corps when I turn 18 next june. And if you lived here you would know that they proably aren't. A high percentage of Military that come back suffer from Post Traumatic Stress disorder. And are in need of major counseling and therapy. Tetrarch9

The 17-minute video was posted online at Wikileaks.org, an investigative Web site that publicizes sensitive documents and information leaked by anonymous sources in order to expose corruption and wrongdoing. Wikileaks obtained the footage "from a number of military whistleblowers," according to a description accompanying the footage on the Web site CollateralMurder.com. Wikileaks editors had to decode the encrypted version of the leaked video in order to view its contents and air it. In the video, when shooters inside the helicopter start to zero in on the pedestrians below, they can be heard identifying the objects they are carrying as an AK-47 and an RPG. But according to an Associated Press article quoting an unnamed U.S. military official, "a military investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47."

yeah that pretty much sums it it......accidents happen.....especially in a military zone.......comes with the job...

well it's not like all of us are involved in this. In fact the large large large majority of people here have nothing to do with this. I'm guessing that's how we live like this.

All you'll here from the apoligizers are either "it was an accident" or "it's a warzone, such things happen".Osaka-06

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]Its not the guys in the helicopters fault it was whoever ordered the attack. From orders the Airmen must've believed that they were the enemy. It shouldn't have happened and its bad. But Im not losing any sleep from it though. And still plan to enlist in the Marine Corps when I turn 18 next june. And if you lived here you would know that they proably aren't. A high percentage of Military that come back suffer from Post Traumatic Stress disorder. And are in need of major counseling and therapy. Sandvichman

Whats sad to me is how many Americans feel like WikiLeaks is the most dangerous thing in the world.

The palestinians, the somalians, the afghans, the entire of the east are being slaughtered by these 'people' if we can even call them that any more

I dont care, only because its not me, my family, nor my friends. As long as none of them are hurt, or doing anything screwed up, Then the rest of the world can, kill and steal from whom ever they choose, it has rarley effected me.

The 17-minute video was posted online at Wikileaks.org, an investigative Web site that publicizes sensitive documents and information leaked by anonymous sources in order to expose corruption and wrongdoing. Wikileaks obtained the footage "from a number of military whistleblowers," according to a description accompanying the footage on the Web site CollateralMurder.com. Wikileaks editors had to decode the encrypted version of the leaked video in order to view its contents and air it. In the video, when shooters inside the helicopter start to zero in on the pedestrians below, they can be heard identifying the objects they are carrying as an AK-47 and an RPG. But according to an Associated Press article quoting an unnamed U.S. military official, "a military investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47."

yeah that pretty much sums it it......accidents happen.....especially in a military zone.......comes with the job...

Omni-Slash

It's not as if the guys in the helicopter were flying around looking for random people to kill. They thought at the time the group was armed. They also thought the group had an RPG so they took action. Nobody sitting around on their computer watching these videos on Youtube know what goes through a soldiers mind in the middle of a warzone in that situation. If you were there and you saw a group of armed hostitles, including a weapon that could take down your helicopter, you'd react the same way. In addition, they got orders from above them they had to follow through on. For guys in the middle of war, it's either them or the enemy.

It's easy as hell to be a Monday morning quarterback and analyze the situation after the fact knowing details these guys didn't have at the time. This isn't taking away that it's horrible a mistake was made and innocent lives were lost, but to treat these guys as murderers is completely wrong.

It's just collateral damage.....which is always apart of war. Could it have been avoided? Maybe, but if I'm out there I kill to be safe.

It's not as if the guys in the helicopter were flying around looking for random people to kill. They thought at the time the group was armed. They also thought the group had an RPG so they took action. Nobody sitting around on their computer watching these videos on Youtube know what goes through a soldiers mind in the middle of a warzone in that situation. If you were there and you saw a group of armed hostitles, including a weapon that could take down your helicopter, you'd react the same way. In addition, they got orders from above them they had to follow through on. For guys in the middle of war, it's either them or the enemy.

It's easy as hell to be a Monday morning quarterback and analyze the situation after the fact knowing details these guys didn't have at the time. This isn't taking away that it's horrible a mistake was made and innocent lives were lost, but to treat these guys as murderers is completely wrong.

darktx2005

The 17-minute video was posted online at Wikileaks.org, an investigative Web site that publicizes sensitive documents and information leaked by anonymous sources in order to expose corruption and wrongdoing. Wikileaks obtained the footage "from a number of military whistleblowers," according to a description accompanying the footage on the Web site CollateralMurder.com. Wikileaks editors had to decode the encrypted version of the leaked video in order to view its contents and air it. In the video, when shooters inside the helicopter start to zero in on the pedestrians below, they can be heard identifying the objects they are carrying as an AK-47 and an RPG. But according to an Associated Press article quoting an unnamed U.S. military official, "a military investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47."

yeah that pretty much sums it it......accidents happen.....especially in a military zone.......comes with the job...

Omni-Slash

Agreed. So many people can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that these soldiers are in the middle of a WAR. A real "these people are trying to kill you" war. If you truely believe someone can and will kill you, I highly doubt you are going to second guess that and think "Does he really have a gun? Is he really going to shoot me?"

I'm sorry but if I'm in a helicopter and I see you with what I think is an RPG, that could be used to take down my helicopter and kill me. I'm shooting you. I wouldn't hesitate for a second when it comes to the notion that if I do hesitate it could cost me my life, the lives of everyone else in the helicopter, and the lives of anyone on the ground who get caught in the crash.

blowing up skyscrapers comes with their jobs, but i guess you don't tolerate that very much.SkyWard20

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]Its not the guys in the helicopters fault it was whoever ordered the attack. From orders the Airmen must've believed that they were the enemy. It shouldn't have happened and its bad. But Im not losing any sleep from it though. And still plan to enlist in the Marine Corps when I turn 18 next june. And if you lived here you would know that they proably aren't. A high percentage of Military that come back suffer from Post Traumatic Stress disorder. And are in need of major counseling and therapy. Tetrarch9

Exactly. Also, had there really been an RPG, that helicopter could've gone down.

I know it's cool and in style to trash the US military as being a bunch of murderers, but I can guaruntee you there isn't a military in the world makes as much of an effort to prevent civilian causiulaties. Of course people will continue to believe that American soliders just walk up and down the streets of Bagdad just randomly shooting Iraqis for fun.

did you see the video? there was a guy with a bottle or something right next to the group of people that were shot and he was clearly unarmed.SkyWard20

proud to be an american, where at least i know i can shoot innocent people and children from a helicopter:roll:

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]did you see the video? there was a guy with a bottle or something right next to the group of people that were shot and he was clearly unarmed.Omni-Slash

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Solid_Tango

your seriously surprised? lol

we are talking about a country that continued the support for a war AFTER it turned out the whole reason for the war was a lie.

we know what nationalism can turn people into. the people who support and defend everything the government dose will turn into nazi zombies, just like the people in former germany.

a little skepticism has always been healthy

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Solid_Tango

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Half-Way

your seriously surprised? lol

we are talking about a country that continued the support for a war AFTER it turned out the whole reason for the war was a lie.

we know what nationalism can turn people into. the people who support and defend everything the government dose will turn into nazi zombies, just like the people in former germany.

a little skepticism has always been healthy

haha. the guy with the bottle next to the group of people that were shot was clearly unarmed... saeed or something. how you could think he had a weapon is hilariousSkyWard20

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Symphonycometh

your seriously surprised? lol

we are talking about a country that continued the support for a war AFTER it turned out the whole reason for the war was a lie.

we know what nationalism can turn people into. the people who support and defend everything the government dose will turn into nazi zombies, just like the people in former germany.

a little skepticism has always been healthy

getting some warm chocolate :P

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] haha. the guy with the bottle next to the group of people that were shot was clearly unarmed... saeed or something. how you could think he had a weapon is hilariousOmni-Slash

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"]did you see the video? there was a guy with a bottle or something right next to the group of people that were shot and he was clearly unarmed.SkyWard20

Once again you are looking at the video from the context of knowing the outcome. You know it was a error, you know they werne't armed, and you've had plenty of time to watch and analyze it.

These guys are in the middle of a WAR zone. These soldiers are shot at and killed on a daily basis, and unlike past wars, they have no freakin clue who is an enemy or a friend. They thought the group was hostitle, especially with someone having an RPG and took the action they felt they needed to take to protect their lives.

It's easy for you to call them evil or murderers from the comfort of your computer chair though.

To the TC,

I'm sure you realize that this is only the tip of an iceberg full of tragedy's more severe. Its the way of life currently and won't change anytime soon. Most American citizens have been so sheltered to "death" that they walk around everyday with the mentality that it could never happen to them and when it does, to them, a family member, child, they are confused and shocked.

Their are many things in life we can "cheat" through. Killings, Death; not so much.

Cheers

I dont care, only because its not me, my family, nor my friends. As long as none of them are hurt, or doing anything screwed up, Then the rest of the world can, kill and steal from whom ever they choose, it has rarley effected me.

MrAmbush

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Half-Way

your seriously surprised? lol

we are talking about a country that continued the support for a war AFTER it turned out the whole reason for the war was a lie.

we know what nationalism can turn people into. the people who support and defend everything the government dose will turn into nazi zombies, just like the people in former germany.

a little skepticism has always been healthy

Then send your own military to do it.Don't forget to help korea and the rest of europe as well. darkfox101

i know, right? shoot first and look later, go to burger king thereafter.SkyWard20

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"] By the sound of the conversation they were having, it sure wasn't an enemy. darktx2005

Exactly. Also, had there really been an RPG, that helicopter could've gone down.

I know it's cool and in style to trash the US military as being a bunch of murderers, but I can guaruntee you there isn't a military in the world makes as much of an effort to prevent civilian causiulaties. Of course people will continue to believe that American soliders just walk up and down the streets of Bagdad just randomly shooting Iraqis for fun.

wait do you guys even know what you are talking about? the video was edited and editorialized to make US troops look bad. The reporters were with armed insurgents that had AK47s.... they simply chose not to point it out the actual weapons in the video because the only goal was to make the military look bad.... so they only pointed out the cameras and completely ignored the actual guns.

there were skirmishes in the area.... they identified armed men... they may have made the mistake of thinking one of the cameras was an RPG.... but there were actual armed men in the crowd. They fired on armed men in the middle of a war zone.

EDIT: not to mention these guys were trained to go into areas too dangerous for regular journalists... and they didnt notify the military of their presence. And just to make the point clear, multiple men in the group had REAL GUNS.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Tetrarch9

your seriously surprised? lol

we are talking about a country that continued the support for a war AFTER it turned out the whole reason for the war was a lie.

we know what nationalism can turn people into. the people who support and defend everything the government dose will turn into nazi zombies, just like the people in former germany.

a little skepticism has always been healthy

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]did you see the video? there was a guy with a bottle or something right next to the group of people that were shot and he was clearly unarmed.Omni-Slash

I sleep at night knowing I would never do something like that. Although it's not really these people's fault, they were just following orders, for all they knew those people could have had rocket launchers ready to shoot them down. It's a shame that the military teaches people to act this way. I really do not like the military, I don't even understand the point of having such a large one. Franklinstein

I concur wholeheartedly; reinforces the point that tragedy's such as these are full of so many grey areas from both parties that morals can not be easily defined anymore. Good or bad, right and wrong; the fine line between the two we grow up knowing becomes obscured; doubts set in; the country we love isn't so "pure".

I sleep at night knowing I would never do something like that. Although it's not really these people's fault, they were just following orders, for all they knew those people could have had rocket launchers ready to shoot them down. It's a shame that the military teaches people to act this way. I really do not like the military, I don't even understand the point of having such a large one.