How can Americans Live like this?

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] haha. the guy with the bottle next to the group of people that were shot was clearly unarmed... saeed or something. how you could think he had a weapon is hilariousSkyWard20

[QUOTE="MrAmbush"]

I dont care, only because its not me, my family, nor my friends. As long as none of them are hurt, or doing anything screwed up, Then the rest of the world can, kill and steal from whom ever they choose, it has rarley effected me.

jasonharris48

get the hell back in their own country? maybe those guys with RPG's were trying to protect their chaps too.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] ....ahh yes...obviously you should be manning those helicoptors with your keen ability to discern right from wrong...unarmed from armed......the military needs you!...chaplainDMK

but they were armed! there were others there with items slung over their backs that werent cameras, they were guns!

go watch the video again, the items slung over their backs that werent conveniently labeled for you... were AK47s.

It's a shame that military teaches people to protect the lives of their fellow soldier in a middle of a warzone? You just said it's not really their fault because for all they knew that group had RPG's, yet you then are ashamed the miltary teaches soldiers to react? What do you expect them to do?

darktx2005

Not be so ready to kill. Respect human life a little more. Realize that these people fighting believe in something just like we do. Why do they deserve to live less than we do? Stop thinking that killing people is the best solution, as if these people were some kind of plague, etc.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]did you see the video? there was a guy with a bottle or something right next to the group of people that were shot and he was clearly unarmed.SkyWard20

That's a shame that somebody died, especially if they were unarmed and innocent.I highly doubt the US army is intentionally killing innocent people as a way of "nation building". I think that civilians can unfortunately be killed in war zones, especially when they are located around armed insurgents. I hope the military will take every step to avoid casualties like this and I hope our government will work harder to not put us in positions where these things can happen.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="MrAmbush"]

I dont care, only because its not me, my family, nor my friends. As long as none of them are hurt, or doing anything screwed up, Then the rest of the world can, kill and steal from whom ever they choose, it has rarley effected me.

Symphonycometh

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]

Seriously, have you guys no conscience? How can you sleep at night?

Remember this video leaked by wikileaks awhile back about a chopper taking down some Jurnalists in Iraq and wounding 2 children in the process?

Well guess what the animals that did it are still free walking down our streets, being proud of serving their homeland :S thinking shoting unarmed people is something to be proud of :s While the guy that suppostly leaked the video ( a 22 year America boy) in in PRISON by its OWN GOVERMENT, for exposing war crimes, and guess what they ( the american goverment) want to execute the guy

Heres the story

and here is the leakers website

Tetrarch9

your seriously surprised? lol

we are talking about a country that continued the support for a war AFTER it turned out the whole reason for the war was a lie.

we know what nationalism can turn people into. the people who support and defend everything the government dose will turn into nazi zombies, just like the people in former germany.

a little skepticism has always been healthy

Im not talking about the army leaving the country, im talking about the american people and their way of thinking, and thats what this thread is about.

Its about the blind following of the american people and their support for anything the government dose. Why do people defend and support the war ?

America has always had the "do something, think about it later" logic. And this dosent work. A good government should be able to think about the consequences before they do something. But since america is the king of the world now, i guess they dont need to ask questions. Just how every major power in the world acted before them.

America is the modern day romen empire , with a twist of nazi germany.

The viewscreens the pilots were staring at in their gunship aren't that big. In fact, they're quite tiny. Take also into account it's daytime and they're wearing glare reduction. A case of mistaken identity is almost a certainty especially if they're among a group of armed insurgents.

I certainly don't condone the killings and I feel for those left behind. But you know what? There are better things to do than mingle with walking targets. If this is a black mark on my conscience, so be it. Oh well. I'll have to live with it.

By the same token, my grandparents died under the tip of Japanese bayonets during WW2 Should I continue to hate every Japanese I see because many of them choose to ignore the atrocities they committed and even go so far as saying they never happened? I made my peace a while back. I hope my father does too before he passes on. I think he did. But, I can never be sure.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] there's nothing "clearly" about that video...now imagine making the decision in real time....thinking your life could be ended...:|

darktx2005

Im not talking about the army leaving the country, im talking about the american people and their way of thinking, and thats what this thread is about.

Its about the blind following of the american people and their support for anything the government dose. Why do people defend and support the war ?

America has always had the "do something, think about it later" logic. And this dosent work. A good government should be able to think about the consequences before they do something. But since america is the king of the world now, i guess they dont need to ask questions. Just how every major power in the world acted before them.

America is the modern day romen empire , with a twist of nazi germany.

Half-Way

That's a poor comparison. America used to be like the Roman Republic, but nowadays, it is more like a corrupt oligarchy that is on the decline, and while it may be the "king" of the world, it is not going to hold that title for much longer. America did not make wise investments in the 50,60,70,80, and 90's. And now we are going to pay the price for it. The price is that instead of being the World Superpower, we are going to be just a moderate power, with poor economic capabilities and a vastly superior military. It is likely that America will never stop going to war, because it's all we've invested in, in the last 60 years. The Cold War was the perfect tool for building up an amazing military might, now that it is over, the 'war on terrorism' will take its place.

Quite easily. Chances are if they're particularly horrified by the incident then they probably didn't support the war anyway and can't really blame themselves for anything. Also, American citizens aren't exactly responsible for every single thing their soldiers do.

Shots were being fired, sure looked armed to me, even if not armed... don't be a "journalist" standing with the armed men. Don't remember the "kids" either.

Love how people say clearly unarmed... CLEARLY? wish I had those amazing eyes and better film footage than I have.

Go Away!

Not be so ready to kill. Respect human life a little more. Realize that these people fighting believe in something just like we do. Why do they deserve to live less than we do? Stop thinking that killing people is the best solution, as if these people were some kind of plague, etc.

Well what do you expect them to do? If our troops didn't engage the enemy, they'd be slaughtered.

We definitely needed another thread about wikileaks...:|

That's a shame that somebody died, especially if they were unarmed and innocent.I highly doubt the US army is intentionally killing innocent people as a way of "nation building". I think that civilians can unfortunately be killed in war zones, especially when they are located around armed insurgents. I hope the military will take every step to avoid casualties like this and I hope our government will work harder to not put us in positions where these things can happen.

sonicare

That's a shame that somebody died, especially if they were unarmed and innocent.I highly doubt the US army is intentionally killing innocent people as a way of "nation building". I think that civilians can unfortunately be killed in war zones, especially when they are located around armed insurgents. I hope the military will take every step to avoid casualties like this and I hope our government will work harder to not put us in positions where these things can happen.

if i were a photogropher i wouldn't be lingering around people who look like the enemy, who have AKs and forming a group on the street. esspecially if i know these kinds of air strikes take place all the time. also if i were an iraqi i wouldn't take any children into what was just the scene of an airstrike like a minute earlier, wtf were they thinking? the wounded kids and dead journalists are because of their own stupidity.

i do think it was wrong that we tried to cover it up though, or weren't entirely truthful. and i think there needs to be a better way of identifying journalists. like some kind of communication device. i also don't agree with the reason we started the war in the first place, but now that we are in it, we have to finish it for the sake of the country. and make no mistake, the insurgents are the enemy.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Well that's pretty ignorant.

testfactor888

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

your seriously surprised? lol

we are talking about a country that continued the support for a war AFTER it turned out the whole reason for the war was a lie.

we know what nationalism can turn people into. the people who support and defend everything the government dose will turn into nazi zombies, just like the people in former germany.

a little skepticism has always been healthy

Half-Way

Im not talking about the army leaving the country, im talking about the american people and their way of thinking, and thats what this thread is about.

Its about the blind following of the american people and their support for anything the government dose. Why do people defend and support the war ?

America has always had the "do something, think about it later" logic. And this dosent work. A good government should be able to think about the consequences before they do something. But since america is the king of the world now, i guess they dont need to ask questions. Just how every major power in the world acted before them.

America is the modern day romen empire , with a twist of nazi germany.

This thread is about American soldiers being characterized as murderers. That is an inaccurate and unfair characterization.

Nazi Germany? Are you kidding me? I guess that's the cool insult to throw around about the US now.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

Im not talking about the army leaving the country, im talking about the american people and their way of thinking, and thats what this thread is about.

Its about the blind following of the american people and their support for anything the government dose. Why do people defend and support the war ?

America has always had the "do something, think about it later" logic. And this dosent work. A good government should be able to think about the consequences before they do something. But since america is the king of the world now, i guess they dont need to ask questions. Just how every major power in the world acted before them.

America is the modern day romen empire , with a twist of nazi germany.

Franklinstein

That's a poor comparison. America used to be like the Roman Republic, but nowadays, it is more like a corrupt oligarchy that is on the decline, and while it may be the "king" of the world, it is not going to hold that title for much longer. America did not make wise investments in the 50,60,70,80, and 90's. And now we are going to pay the price for it. The price is that instead of being the World Superpower, we are going to be just a moderate power, with poor economic capabilities and a vastly superior military. It is likely that America will never stop going to war, because it's all we've invested in, in the last 60 years. The Cold War was the perfect tool for building up an amazing military might, now that it is over, the 'war on terrorism' will take its place.

im pretty sure you could find and compare any major superpower and find similarities ;) , however i agree with your overall post, and since you didnt disagree with me on the former parts about blindly following the government i assume you agree to some extent.

Well what do you expect them to do? If our troops didn't engage the enemy, they'd be slaughtered.

darktx2005

No... if they didn't engage the enemy, then neither of them would be dead.... These matters could have been solved with words, this notion that these people are too crazy for logic and reasoning is ridiculous. Sure, a lot of these people have been brainwashed into following a cause and dying for it(sounds familiar), but the majority of them are probably capable of intelligent thought, there is no reason for this senseless killing. We are all humans, we have the same genetic dna, we all need food and water to survive(along with an absence of bullets through our skulls).

[QUOTE="darktx2005"]

Well what do you expect them to do? If our troops didn't engage the enemy, they'd be slaughtered.

Franklinstein

No... if they didn't engage the enemy, then neither of them would be dead.... These matters could have been solved with words, this notion that these people are too crazy for logic and reasoning is ridiculous. Sure, a lot of these people have been brainwashed into following a cause and dying for it(sounds familiar), but the majority of them are probably capable of intelligent thought, there is no reason for this senseless killing. We are all humans, we have the same genetic dna, we all need food and water to survive(along with an absence of bullets through our skulls).

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] I couldn't find the words to explain my annoyance at that post, so I left it be - but you pegged it pretty swiftly. Symphonycometh

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

your seriously surprised? lol

we are talking about a country that continued the support for a war AFTER it turned out the whole reason for the war was a lie.

we know what nationalism can turn people into. the people who support and defend everything the government dose will turn into nazi zombies, just like the people in former germany.

a little skepticism has always been healthy

Half-Way

Im not talking about the army leaving the country, im talking about the american people and their way of thinking, and thats what this thread is about.

Its about the blind following of the american people and their support for anything the government dose. Why do people defend and support the war ?

America has always had the "do something, think about it later" logic. And this dosent work. A good government should be able to think about the consequences before they do something. But since america is the king of the world now, i guess they dont need to ask questions. Just how every major power in the world acted before them.

America is the modern day romen empire , with a twist of nazi germany.

You obviously don't live here if you think thats what goes on.

These America threads are becoming more and more of a joke. People critizing America when they don't even live here and know whats going on. They just go by what the news tells them.

[QUOTE="darktx2005"]

Well what do you expect them to do? If our troops didn't engage the enemy, they'd be slaughtered.

No... if they didn't engage the enemy, then neither of them would be dead.... These matters could have been solved with words, this notion that these people are too crazy for logic and reasoning is ridiculous. Sure, a lot of these people have been brainwashed into following a cause and dying for it(sounds familiar), but the majority of them are probably capable of intelligent thought, there is no reason for this senseless killing. We are all humans, we have the same genetic dna, we all need food and water to survive(along with an absence of bullets through our skulls).

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

Im not talking about the army leaving the country, im talking about the american people and their way of thinking, and thats what this thread is about.

Its about the blind following of the american people and their support for anything the government dose. Why do people defend and support the war ?

America has always had the "do something, think about it later" logic. And this dosent work. A good government should be able to think about the consequences before they do something. But since america is the king of the world now, i guess they dont need to ask questions. Just how every major power in the world acted before them.

America is the modern day romen empire , with a twist of nazi germany.

Half-Way

That's a poor comparison. America used to be like the Roman Republic, but nowadays, it is more like a corrupt oligarchy that is on the decline, and while it may be the "king" of the world, it is not going to hold that title for much longer. America did not make wise investments in the 50,60,70,80, and 90's. And now we are going to pay the price for it. The price is that instead of being the World Superpower, we are going to be just a moderate power, with poor economic capabilities and a vastly superior military. It is likely that America will never stop going to war, because it's all we've invested in, in the last 60 years. The Cold War was the perfect tool for building up an amazing military might, now that it is over, the 'war on terrorism' will take its place.

im pretty sure you could find and compare any major superpower and find similarities ;) , however i agree with your overall post, and since you didnt disagree with me on the former parts about blindly following the government i assume you agree to some extent.

[QUOTE="darktx2005"]

Well what do you expect them to do? If our troops didn't engage the enemy, they'd be slaughtered.

Franklinstein

No... if they didn't engage the enemy, then neither of them would be dead.... These matters could have been solved with words, this notion that these people are too crazy for logic and reasoning is ridiculous. Sure, a lot of these people have been brainwashed into following a cause and dying for it(sounds familiar), but the majority of them are probably capable of intelligent thought, there is no reason for this senseless killing. We are all humans, we have the same genetic dna, we all need food and water to survive(along with an absence of bullets through our skulls).

People critizing America when they don't even live here and know whats going on. They just go by what the news tells them.Tetrarch9

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] And how is MrAmbush's post ignorant? I feel the exact same way as he does about life in general. I only care about my family and myself and after that it doesn't matter to me.

testfactor888

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] For me, I find that way of thinking rather ignorant if trickling "unrelated" effects bite you when you least expect it due to the non-caring nature. if it truly doesn't matter to someone, they won't really have reason to keep up with it, right? That, and I find that the inability (or whatever you prefer to call it) to care about someone else that isn't in your immediate circle head-shake worthy.Symphonycometh

[QUOTE="darktx2005"]

Well what do you expect them to do? If our troops didn't engage the enemy, they'd be slaughtered.

Franklinstein

No... if they didn't engage the enemy, then neither of them would be dead.... These matters could have been solved with words, this notion that these people are too crazy for logic and reasoning is ridiculous. Sure, a lot of these people have been brainwashed into following a cause and dying for it(sounds familiar), but the majority of them are probably capable of intelligent thought, there is no reason for this senseless killing. We are all humans, we have the same genetic dna, we all need food and water to survive(along with an absence of bullets through our skulls).

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"] You can't be serious. You except us to leave a country after its been invaded and its goverment is in shambles. Wouldn't take long forit to turn into another Somalia.

darktx2005

Im not talking about the army leaving the country, im talking about the american people and their way of thinking, and thats what this thread is about.

Its about the blind following of the american people and their support for anything the government dose. Why do people defend and support the war ?

America has always had the "do something, think about it later" logic. And this dosent work. A good government should be able to think about the consequences before they do something. But since america is the king of the world now, i guess they dont need to ask questions. Just how every major power in the world acted before them.

America is the modern day romen empire , with a twist of nazi germany.

This thread is about American soldiers being characterized as murderers. That is an inaccurate and unfair characterization.

Nazi Germany? Are you kidding me? I guess that's the cool insult to throw around about the US now.

the best insult i could come up with when it comes to blindly following and supporting your government because of some belief that America is the best country in the world. Nationalism is great aslong you dont believe your the master of the universe and are able to **** with each county you want.

Thats exactly how some americans seem when they try to defend everything their army dose.

America is the modern day romen empire , with a twist of nazi germany.

Half-Way

What in the world are you talking about?

the best insult i could come up with when it comes to blindly following and supporting your government because of some belief that America is the best country in the world. Nationalism is great aslong you dont believe your the master of the universe and are able to **** with each county you want.

Thats exactly how some americans seem when they try to defend everything their army dose.

Half-Way

the best insult i could come up with when it comes to blindly following and supporting your government because of some belief that America is the best country in the world. Nationalism is great aslong you dont believe your the master of the universe and are able to **** with each county you want.

Thats exactly how some americans seem when they try to defend everything their army dose.

Half-Way

great job, you've just changed your argument.

the best insult i could come up with when it comes to blindly following and supporting your government because of some belief that America is the best country in the world. Nationalism is great aslong you dont believe your the master of the universe and are able to **** with each county you want.

Thats exactly how some americans seem when they try to defend everything their army dose.

Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Words? When you think someone has a weapon and you are a target...there is no time for words.:| Franklinstein

Sorry but if You are willing to walk into a cafe and blow yourself up, purposefully killing innocent kids, I don't think I can talk you out of it. irishscott99

and this thread is about what? the iraq war in general? No. its about this exact instance. stay on topic.

What in the world are you talking about?

entropyecho

Holy crap, this anti-american tirade is some of the dumbest stuff I've ever read. :| I understand it's the fashionable thing now, but at least try to sound educated when you're insulting and generalizing an entire country.Guppy507

buh buh everyone's always talking about how america = nazis, so it must be true!