How can the Bible be considered a tolerant book?

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]You have to ignore many parts of the Bible to practice what it promotes beneficently. Exactly why I don't see the point of practicing such religion based off of a book.Deity_Slapper

Well, welcome to the club. That's what many of us feel. :P

I wasn't talking about gamespot.

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

The bible teaches us to love one another and to help out our fellow man. Sure, the bible has it's mistakes, but you have got to remember that the bible was written by man. It has taught billions of people morals which is a hell of a lot more than what any atheist has ever taught. Which is why on average, Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly. This thread proves this point. All I see is Atheists trying to bash religion using what they read on the internet. Most christians just ignore topics like these because they don't live just to bash other people's beliefs.

P.S. You can twist the words in the bible all you want to make it fit into your evil agenda,but that doesnt change the fact that the book has done alot of good for humanity and whether god exists or not (and dont even act like you know), the bible is still much needed in today's society.

felixlynch777

Hitler was a Christian so I see your point.

Stalin was an atheist.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]You have to ignore many parts of the Bible to practice what it promotes beneficently. Exactly why I don't see the point of practicing such religion based off of a book.bman784

Well, welcome to the club. That's what many of us feel. :P

I wasn't talking about gamespot.

Oh, well I guess we just never met before.

Most Christians haven't even read the Bible...otherwise there would be way more atheists.

dracula_16

You win.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

Most Christians haven't even read the Bible...otherwise there would be way more atheists.

Deity_Slapper

You win.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

And how do you know all of that is true?

Deity_Slapper

I've experienced it and my whole life was a experiment to this hypothesis.

Ok.....not going to elaborate?

I guess he's just curbing his enthusiasm.

Sure but what exactly do you want me to explain.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

Most Christians haven't even read the Bible...otherwise there would be way more atheists.

LJS9502_basic

You win.

Well yeah, but it wouldn't be a religion thread without such things.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

Most Christians haven't even read the Bible...otherwise there would be way more atheists.

LJS9502_basic

You win.

Yeah, but I agreed.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

And how do you know all of that is true?

armen925

I've experienced it and my whole life was a experiment to this hypothesis.

Ok.....not going to elaborate?

I guess he's just curbing his enthusiasm.

Sure but what exactly do you want me to explain.

These experiences that are your proof of gods existance...

[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

And how do you know all of that is true?

-Austin-

I've experienced it and my whole life was a experiment to this hypothesis.

Ok.....not going to elaborate?

I guess he's just curbing his enthusiasm.

Sure but what exactly do you want me to explain.

These experiences that are your proof of gods existance...

Thats not what i said lol...

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

And how do you know all of that is true?

armen925

I've experienced it and my whole life was a experiment to this hypothesis.

Ok.....not going to elaborate?

I guess he's just curbing his enthusiasm.

Sure but what exactly do you want me to explain.

These experiences that are your proof of gods existance...

Thats not what i said lol...

"I've experienced it".

Yes you did.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

Most Christians haven't even read the Bible...otherwise there would be way more atheists.

Deity_Slapper

You win.

Yeah, but I agreed.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

Most Christians haven't even read the Bible...otherwise there would be way more atheists.

LJS9502_basic

You win.

Yeah, but I agreed.

He wins in my book.

Keep in mind, I'm not playing by your rules, I'm playing by my own.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"] Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly.-Austin-

:lol:

Funniest quote of the millenium thus far.

He left out the part about them being smarter too :lol:

Okay, haven't you notice that the majority of people on gamespot are atheists (or atleast the people who post) and that the gaming community is one of the least friendly communities out there. Now go to a church. I be not one person would say a rude or inconsiderate comment.

TC, you failed trying to interpret scripture, but who said my Bible was a tolerant book that allows anything and any lifestyle? The God of the Bible is a jealous God who has laid down His expectations for His people. He does not accept the sheninigans that the world has come to accept as okay. For Him there is:

No grey area.

No exceptions.

Suggesting the Bible promotes tolerance (spiritural tolerance, that is), is a lie from the pit.

It is, however, a book of peace and discipline. I hope everyone is smart enough to understand the difference between being peaceful and accepting everything (chaos).

The Bible is peace within the boundaries of His law. Activities outside of his bounds are and will always be unacceptable.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"] Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly.FatMan1945

:lol:

Funniest quote of the millenium thus far.

He left out the part about them being smarter too :lol:

Okay, haven't you notice that the majority of people on gamespot are atheists (or atleast the people who post) and that the gaming community is one of the least friendly communities out there. Now go to a church. I be not one person would say a rude or inconsiderate comment.

I just got kicked out of my church for poor attendance...so thanks for the kindness guys.

[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

And how do you know all of that is true?

-Austin-

I've experienced it and my whole life was a experiment to this hypothesis.

Ok.....not going to elaborate?

I guess he's just curbing his enthusiasm.

Sure but what exactly do you want me to explain.

These experiences that are your proof of gods existance...

Thats not what i said lol...

"I've experienced it".

Yes you did.

Not that kind of experience. But this kind of experience.

Faith and Love are the strongest things on this planet (I believe) these things are universal so it applys to all people or all religions. So for example, the Christians believe in faith and love. If you wake up in the morning believing it will work for you then your life will be good. Even if it really isn't true. If you wake up with faith your day will go smooth and love will hold you. So whether Christianity is right or not, its core princicples faith and love can work for you. Thats all i was saying.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"] Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly.FatMan1945

:lol:

Funniest quote of the millenium thus far.

He left out the part about them being smarter too :lol:

Okay, haven't you notice that the majority of people on gamespot are atheists (or atleast the people who post) and that the gaming community is one of the least friendly communities out there. Now go to a church. I be not one person would say a rude or inconsiderate comment.

Church is exactly where I've heard the majority of rude and inconsiderate comments in my life. No joke.

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"] Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly.-Austin-

:lol:

Funniest quote of the millenium thus far.

He left out the part about them being smarter too :lol:

Okay, haven't you notice that the majority of people on gamespot are atheists (or atleast the people who post) and that the gaming community is one of the least friendly communities out there. Now go to a church. I be not one person would say a rude or inconsiderate comment.

I just got kicked out of my church for poor attendance...so thanks for the kindness guys.

If you missed team practise a few times, you could understand being cut.
If you didn't pay your rent for a month you could expect to be evicted.
If you failed to make a few payments, you can expect something to be repossessed.

BUt now that the church is involved you choose to put the cart before the horse and blame the church for your lack of commitment?

So. Stereotypes, generalizations, and opinion not based on factual evidence =/= win.LJS9502_basic

Yeah, it was my opinion. Way to state the obvious. These threads are built on opinions.

Church is exactly where I've heard the majority of rude and inconsiderate comments in my life. No joke.

Deity_Slapper

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"] Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly.-Austin-

:lol:

Funniest quote of the millenium thus far.

He left out the part about them being smarter too :lol:

Okay, haven't you notice that the majority of people on gamespot are atheists (or atleast the people who post) and that the gaming community is one of the least friendly communities out there. Now go to a church. I be not one person would say a rude or inconsiderate comment.

I just got kicked out of my church for poor attendance...so thanks for the kindness guys.

Are you sure that was a church. Last time I checked you can't get kicked out of church just for not going. A church is a place for you to go and worship God when you want. It isn't like grade school where you get kicked out for missing to many days.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"] Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly.D3nnyCrane

:lol:

Funniest quote of the millenium thus far.

He left out the part about them being smarter too :lol:

Okay, haven't you notice that the majority of people on gamespot are atheists (or atleast the people who post) and that the gaming community is one of the least friendly communities out there. Now go to a church. I be not one person would say a rude or inconsiderate comment.

I just got kicked out of my church for poor attendance...so thanks for the kindness guys.

If you missed team practise a few times, you could understand being cut.
If you didn't pay your rent for a month you could expect to be evicted.
If you failed to make a few payments, you can expect something to be repossessed.

BUt now that the church is involved you choose to put the cart before the horse and blame the church for your lack of commitment?

It's so different.....

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"] Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly.FatMan1945

:lol:

Funniest quote of the millenium thus far.

He left out the part about them being smarter too :lol:

Okay, haven't you notice that the majority of people on gamespot are atheists (or atleast the people who post) and that the gaming community is one of the least friendly communities out there. Now go to a church. I be not one person would say a rude or inconsiderate comment.

I just got kicked out of my church for poor attendance...so thanks for the kindness guys.

Are you sure that was a church. Last time I checked you can't get kicked out of church just for not going. A church is a place for you to go and worship God when you want. It isn't like grade school where you get kicked out for missing to many days.

My active member status is removed. Whatever that is supposed to mean. There was a reason my attendance was poor. The current pastor drove the church into the ground and I don't really beleive in the whole religion thing anymore either.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"] Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly.-Austin-

:lol:

Funniest quote of the millenium thus far.

He left out the part about them being smarter too :lol:

Okay, haven't you notice that the majority of people on gamespot are atheists (or atleast the people who post) and that the gaming community is one of the least friendly communities out there. Now go to a church. I be not one person would say a rude or inconsiderate comment.

I just got kicked out of my church for poor attendance...so thanks for the kindness guys.

If you missed team practise a few times, you could understand being cut.
If you didn't pay your rent for a month you could expect to be evicted.
If you failed to make a few payments, you can expect something to be repossessed.

BUt now that the church is involved you choose to put the cart before the horse and blame the church for your lack of commitment?

It's so different.....

You're right, you've changed my life with 3 words...

TC, you failed trying to interpret scripture, but who said my Bible was a tolerant book that allows anything and any lifestyle? The God of the Bible is a jealous God who has laid down His expectations for His people. He does not accept the sheninigans that the world has come to accept as okay. For Him there is:

No grey area.

No exceptions.

Suggesting the Bible promotes tolerance (spiritural tolerance, that is), is a lie from the pit.

It is, however, a book of peace and discipline. I hope everyone is smart enough to understand the difference between being peaceful and accepting everything (chaos).

The Bible is peace within the boundaries of His law. Activities outside of his bounds are and will always be unacceptable.

Dreams-Visions

Yeah, so umm...why exactly would god ask us to do things, and then get mad if we don't do them? If god gets mad when people do not fulfill his requests, doesn't that make him a slave? A slave to crippling, distracting, destructive emotion? Wouldn't an all-powerful deity be above such pettiness?

And even if he can't tolerate anything "outside of his bounds", why can't he just snap his fingers and make the bad go away, instead of exercising such brutal revenge all the time? Seems like he either has no control of his emotions, or he enjoys being violent. Either way, not a very cool dude. Kind of childish, if you ask me...throwing all those temper tantrums all the time... :roll:

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

Church is exactly where I've heard the majority of rude and inconsiderate comments in my life. No joke.

LJS9502_basic

Well good for you...although I'm not convinced that's true.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

TC, you failed trying to interpret scripture, but who said my Bible was a tolerant book that allows anything and any lifestyle? The God of the Bible is a jealous God who has laid down His expectations for His people. He does not accept the sheninigans that the world has come to accept as okay. For Him there is:

No grey area.

No exceptions.

Suggesting the Bible promotes tolerance (spiritural tolerance, that is), is a lie from the pit.

It is, however, a book of peace and discipline. I hope everyone is smart enough to understand the difference between being peaceful and accepting everything (chaos).

The Bible is peace within the boundaries of His law. Activities outside of his bounds are and will always be unacceptable.

Deity_Slapper

Yeah, so umm...why exactly would god ask us to do things, and then get mad if we don't do them? If god gets mad when people do not fulfill his requests, doesn't that make him a slave? A slave to crippling, distracting, destructive emotion? Wouldn't an all-powerful deity be above such pettiness?

For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

And since you have been freed from sin, you have become slaves of righteousness.

And even if he can't tolerate anything "outside of his bounds", why can't he just snap his fingers and make the bad go away, instead of exercising such brutal revenge all the time? Seems like he either has no control of his emotions, or he enjoys being violent. Either way, not a very cool dude. Kind of childish, if you ask me...throwing all those temper tantrums all the time... :roll:Deity_Slapper

But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.

he wants people to freely chose him. He presents the options. Isn't it amazing how many people choose death over life?

We must all remember the Bible is a book of stories, nothing more. Perhaps yes, at the time they were accurate accounts of what Jesus and his disciples were doing, but we must take into consideration that the Bible has changed over the centuries from the original scriptures. They have been twisted and changed so that it served the Church and leaders at the time conveniently. Sad, but true for Islam, and other religions. Maybe Buddhism is an exception...carrot-cake

but if that's what you really want to believe, good luck.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

Church is exactly where I've heard the majority of rude and inconsiderate comments in my life. No joke.

Deity_Slapper

Well good for you...although I'm not convinced that's true.

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]We must all remember the Bible is a book of stories, nothing more. Perhaps yes, at the time they were accurate accounts of what Jesus and his disciples were doing, but we must take into consideration that the Bible has changed over the centuries from the original scriptures. They have been twisted and changed so that it served the Church and leaders at the time conveniently. Sad, but true for Islam, and other religions. Maybe Buddhism is an exception...Dreams-Visions

but if that's what you really want to believe, good luck.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

Church is exactly where I've heard the majority of rude and inconsiderate comments in my life. No joke.

LJS9502_basic

Well good for you...although I'm not convinced that's true.

I don't think you're lying. I think you just might want to block out what makes you uncomfortable...selective memory, it's called.

I don't think you're lying. I think you just might want to block out what makes you uncomfortable...selective memory, it's called.

Deity_Slapper

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

TC, you failed trying to interpret scripture, but who said my Bible was a tolerant book that allows anything and any lifestyle? The God of the Bible is a jealous God who has laid down His expectations for His people. He does not accept the sheninigans that the world has come to accept as okay. For Him there is:

No grey area.

No exceptions.

Suggesting the Bible promotes tolerance (spiritural tolerance, that is), is a lie from the pit.

It is, however, a book of peace and discipline. I hope everyone is smart enough to understand the difference between being peaceful and accepting everything (chaos).

The Bible is peace within the boundaries of His law. Activities outside of his bounds are and will always be unacceptable.

Dreams-Visions

Yeah, so umm...why exactly would god ask us to do things, and then get mad if we don't do them? If god gets mad when people do not fulfill his requests, doesn't that make him a slave? A slave to crippling, distracting, destructive emotion? Wouldn't an all-powerful deity be above such pettiness?

For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

And since you have been freed from sin, you have become slaves of righteousness.

And even if he can't tolerate anything "outside of his bounds", why can't he just snap his fingers and make the bad go away, instead of exercising such brutal revenge all the time? Seems like he either has no control of his emotions, or he enjoys being violent. Either way, not a very cool dude. Kind of childish, if you ask me...throwing all those temper tantrums all the time... :roll:Deity_Slapper

But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.

he wants people to freely chose him. He presents the options. Isn't it amazing how many people choose death over life?

Uhh...is this blackregiment's alt account? :lol: Seriously, how in the hell does posting bible verses prove anything? Should I post quotes from Green Eggs And Ham, if you aren't convinced that Sam like his eggs green with his ham?

And what did that free will comment have to do with god acting like such a tyrant? It wasn't even relative. If god is loving, he could show it by just making the evil people disappear as if they never existed...or at least a more punishment more reasonable than eternal torture...or drowing in an epic flood, etc.

Seriously, this god guy is such a drama queen.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]We must all remember the Bible is a book of stories, nothing more. Perhaps yes, at the time they were accurate accounts of what Jesus and his disciples were doing, but we must take into consideration that the Bible has changed over the centuries from the original scriptures. They have been twisted and changed so that it served the Church and leaders at the time conveniently. Sad, but true for Islam, and other religions. Maybe Buddhism is an exception...carrot-cake

but if that's what you really want to believe, good luck.

*shakes hand, walks in opposite direction*

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]We must all remember the Bible is a book of stories, nothing more. Perhaps yes, at the time they were accurate accounts of what Jesus and his disciples were doing, but we must take into consideration that the Bible has changed over the centuries from the original scriptures. They have been twisted and changed so that it served the Church and leaders at the time conveniently. Sad, but true for Islam, and other religions. Maybe Buddhism is an exception...Dreams-Visions

but if that's what you really want to believe, good luck.

*shakes hand, walks in opposite direction*

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

I don't think you're lying. I think you just might want to block out what makes you uncomfortable...selective memory, it's called.

LJS9502_basic

Well, you can't block out the most impactful events, but little snaps here and there that people dish out...they can easily go in one ear and out the other...but it doesn't mean it never happened.

I mean, just look at what happened with the banned chick...she talked a lot of crap, but I really don't remember most of what she said...my brain just tossed it out subconciously, like it just knew it wasn't worth storing in the ol' memory banks.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

TC, you failed trying to interpret scripture, but who said my Bible was a tolerant book that allows anything and any lifestyle? The God of the Bible is a jealous God who has laid down His expectations for His people. He does not accept the sheninigans that the world has come to accept as okay. For Him there is:

No grey area.

No exceptions.

Suggesting the Bible promotes tolerance (spiritural tolerance, that is), is a lie from the pit.

It is, however, a book of peace and discipline. I hope everyone is smart enough to understand the difference between being peaceful and accepting everything (chaos).

The Bible is peace within the boundaries of His law. Activities outside of his bounds are and will always be unacceptable.

Deity_Slapper

Yeah, so umm...why exactly would god ask us to do things, and then get mad if we don't do them? If god gets mad when people do not fulfill his requests, doesn't that make him a slave? A slave to crippling, distracting, destructive emotion? Wouldn't an all-powerful deity be above such pettiness?

For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

And since you have been freed from sin, you have become slaves of righteousness.

And even if he can't tolerate anything "outside of his bounds", why can't he just snap his fingers and make the bad go away, instead of exercising such brutal revenge all the time? Seems like he either has no control of his emotions, or he enjoys being violent. Either way, not a very cool dude. Kind of childish, if you ask me...throwing all those temper tantrums all the time... :roll:Deity_Slapper

But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.

he wants people to freely chose him. He presents the options. Isn't it amazing how many people choose death over life?

Uhh...is this blackregiment's alt account? :lol: Seriously, how in the hell does posting bible verses prove anything? Should I post quotes from Green Eggs And Ham, if you aren't convinced that Sam like his eggs green with his ham?

And what did that free will comment have to do with god acting like such a tyrant? It wasn't even relative. If god is loving, he could show it by just making the evil people disappear as if they never existed...or at least a more punishment more reasonable than eternal torture...or drowing in an epic flood, etc.

Seriously, this god guy is such a drama queen.

You said it seems like slavery? guess what? The Believer is now a slave of sorts. He's been bought with a price (Christ's sacrifice) and are expected to behave in a way reflective of the Kingdom they now consider themselves apart of.

The scriptures point out that realtiy for the believer. And confirm that your feeling is correct: we are slaves. But He is good. And patient, clearly. We should all be thankful that God's grace is as active as his wrath SHOULD BE.

And no, God should't make evil people disappear. How do you purify gold without the fire that burns away the contamination? Without challenge and struggle? How do you prove love without giving someone the choice to not love you? How do you keep a tree growing without regular pruning?

When you learn the answers to those basic questions, I think you have your answers. I'll take my leave. Have a good one.

Well, you can't block out the most impactful events, but little snaps here and there that people dish out...they can easily go in one ear and out the other...but it doesn't mean it never happened.

I mean, just look at what happened with the banned chick...she talked a lot of crap, but I really don't remember most of what she said...my brain just tossed it out subconciously, like it just knew it wasn't worth storing in the ol' memory banks.

Deity_Slapper

Christians call it tolerant because in addition to the intolerant passages, there are indeed quite a few passages which are tolerant by the standards of ancient religions from that period of time, especially in the New Testament.pianist

It doesn't work that way. I'd remember if my church did that. Sorry. Perhaps it's time for you to admit that not all religious people are evil. Otherwise, you become intolerant and frankly...uninformed.LJS9502_basic

Umm...I don't think they are all evil, and I never said they were...and I never would say they are! Evil religious people are far and few between actually. Talking crap in church doesn't make them evil, they were just confused, misled, and brainwashed.

Dude, most of my family are christians. They're not evil. Wait, I've said this before even...I believe that the religious among us are innocent victims. You know I've said that, and it's what I believe. People aren't evil for being victimized, it's not their fault...hell, I sure wasn't evil when I was a christian.

who's blackregiment? I posted bible verses to present a perspective?Dreams-Visions

A worn out, stale perspective that I've been exposed to a thousand times. Save it.

You said it seems like slavery? guess what? The Believer is now a slave of sorts. He's been bought with a price (Christ's sacrifice) and are expected to behave in a way reflective of the Kingdom they now consider themselves apart of. Dreams-Visions

Did we ask for Jesus to die for our sins? How fair is that? I didn't even ask Jesus to take the blame for the wrong things I do, but now that he did, I've gotta make it up to him? Screw that. That's the ultimate in slavery. We aren't really free after all I guess...gotta use my "free will" to give thanks to Jesus for something I didn't ask for... :roll:

The scriptures point out that realtiy for the believer. And confirm that your feeling is correct: we are slaves. But He is good. And patient, clearly. We should all be thankful that God's grace is as active as his wrath SHOULD BE. Dreams-Visions

Clearly patient? How about non-existent? That's why you haven't heard any noise from him. :lol:

And no, God should't make evil people disappear. How do you purify gold without the fire that burns away the contamination? Without challenge and struggle? How do you prove love without giving someone the choice to not love you? How do you keep a tree growing without regular pruning?

When you learn the answers to those basic questions, I think you have your answers. I'll take my leave. Have a good one.

Dreams-Visions

People aren't made of gold, god doesn't need challenges and struggle to grow from if he is already perfect, and god didn't really give us the option not to love him, because not loving him results in eternal torture. Not much of a choice there, especially since he designed us with fear of such torture.

How easy it is for god to get what he wants...just create creatures who fear punishment, and then threaten them with punishment. Easy win for him, and that makes him looks like a coward to me.

God is a slave to his own desires, because he gets mad when he doesn't get what he wants.

How human of him, too...I wonder, could it be MANKIND who gave god all of these "qualities" that are strikingly similar to our own? He shouldn't be like us at all, if he's the creator of the entire universe. I'm pretty sure mankind can't create a universe.

And what if I don't want Jesus to take the blame for anything bad I might do? Can I just tell him, "hey, I'm a real man, and I'll take the responsibility for my actions. You don't need to shed your blood for me, thanks." Shouldn't that settle that...ESPECIALLY if we have free will? Can't I use my free will to declare that Jesus is free from the responsibility of carrying the burden of my sins? You know, so that I don't have to owe him anything? Cause I don't feel very "free" if I have to spend my whole life trying to make it up to him.

Can't I ask god for that?

Me - "Hey god, let Jesus off the hook, I can deal with the repurcussions of my actions. In exchange for this, I'd like to not be forced to choose to love you or otherwise face hell."

Sounds fair to me, what about you? And if god wouldn't grant me that request, then he might as well have not given me free will. If he denies this request, then he is denying me the freedom which I desire. Therefore, I couldn't be free, I'd be unhappy, and there'd be no point in having free will for anything else.

Here is a list of Bible quotes that I wish were told as much as that John 3:16 line.

Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn't receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don't believe in him. Jude 5

Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:

Don't associate with non-Christians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8

Judge other religions for not following Christ:

Whoever denies"that Jesus is the Christ"is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

Christians are"of God;"everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

The non-Christian is"a deceiver and an anti-Christ"2 John 1:7

Anyone who doesn't share Paul's beliefs has"an evil heart."Hebrews 3:12

False Jews are members of"the synagogue of Satan."Revelations 2:9, 3:9

Here are my two personal favorites:

Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10

A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33

This is why I deserted Christianity and became an Atheist. To be honest all religious books are equally intolerant.

felixlynch777

Wow, thats EXTREMELY IGNORENT!

I gotta thank the bible for inspiring this legnedairy quote

"Austin 316 says i just whipped ur ass" :P

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

The bible teaches us to love one another and to help out our fellow man. Sure, the bible has it's mistakes, but you have got to remember that the bible was written by man. It has taught billions of people morals which is a hell of a lot more than what any atheist has ever taught. Which is why on average, Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly. This thread proves this point. All I see is Atheists trying to bash religion using what they read on the internet. Most christians just ignore topics like these because they don't live just to bash other people's beliefs.

P.S. You can twist the words in the bible all you want to make it fit into your evil agenda,but that doesnt change the fact that the book has done alot of good for humanity and whether god exists or not (and dont even act like you know), the bible is still much needed in today's society.

felixlynch777

Come on are you kidding me, Clearly the Bible does not teach us to love our fellow man. It has also taught billions of evil things tom people. Christians are more friendly. A year ago, I was picking up my brother from Church and when I walked in, I was spat on by the priest. It seems my brother told the priest that I was an atheist. So yeah Christians are friendly, hey the friendliest guy on Earth, Hitler was a Christian so I see your point.

I'm not trying to promote an 'evil agenda', I'm quoting from the Bible that I have here in front of me. Please, sane Christians, tell this guy that he's wrong.

First of all, I am not as ignorant as what I just wrote, I was just going to the defensive to prove a point and I went too far. Second of all, when I talk about the bible, I mean the new testement, and the bible specifically tells us not to use violence even when violence is brought upon us. Third of all, I have a tough time believing a priest spat on you purposly, but if he did, then he isn't much of a christian.

Your 'evil agenda' is to insult Christians by insulting the very book that they worship with. You are also using quotes from a website that you haven't even double-checked to see if they were accurate. If you are calling me an insane Christian, then what does that make you?

[QUOTE="felixlynch777"][QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

The bible teaches us to love one another and to help out our fellow man. Sure, the bible has it's mistakes, but you have got to remember that the bible was written by man. It has taught billions of people morals which is a hell of a lot more than what any atheist has ever taught. Which is why on average, Christians have better morals than atheists, and not to mention they are infinitely times more friendly. This thread proves this point. All I see is Atheists trying to bash religion using what they read on the internet. Most christians just ignore topics like these because they don't live just to bash other people's beliefs.

P.S. You can twist the words in the bible all you want to make it fit into your evil agenda,but that doesnt change the fact that the book has done alot of good for humanity and whether god exists or not (and dont even act like you know), the bible is still much needed in today's society.

FatMan1945

Come on are you kidding me, Clearly the Bible does not teach us to love our fellow man. It has also taught billions of evil things tom people. Christians are more friendly. A year ago, I was picking up my brother from Church and when I walked in, I was spat on by the priest. It seems my brother told the priest that I was an atheist. So yeah Christians are friendly, hey the friendliest guy on Earth, Hitler was a Christian so I see your point.

I'm not trying to promote an 'evil agenda', I'm quoting from the Bible that I have here in front of me. Please, sane Christians, tell this guy that he's wrong.

First of all, I am not as ignorant as what I just wrote, I was just going to the defensive to prove a point and I went too far. Second of all, when I talk about the bible, I mean the new testement, and the bible specifically tells us not to use violence even when violence is brought upon us. Third of all, I have a tough time believing a priest spat on you purposly, but if he did, then he isn't much of a christian.

Your 'evil agenda' is to insult Christians by insulting the very book that they worship with. You are also using quotes from a website that you haven't even double-checked to see if they were accurate. If you are calling me an insane Christian, then what does that make you?

Well I can assure you, I was just as surprised when the guy spat on me. Many of the quotes are from the new testament as well, some even from Jesus himself.

I'm not insulting, I'm just merely quoting verses form the"word of God", is that insulting? Because Christians do it all the time.

And the Bible is classified as bothbooks, new and old.

God is a slave to his own desires, because he gets mad when he doesn't get what he wants.

How human of him, too...I wonder, could it be MANKIND who gave god all of these "qualities" that are strikingly similar to our own? He shouldn't be like us at all, if he's the creator of the entire universe. I'm pretty sure mankind can't create a universe.

And what if I don't want Jesus to take the blame for anything bad I might do? Can I just tell him, "hey, I'm a real man, and I'll take the responsibility for my actions. You don't need to shed your blood for me, thanks." Shouldn't that settle that...ESPECIALLY if we have free will? Can't I use my free will to declare that Jesus is free from the responsibility of carrying the burden of my sins? You know, so that I don't have to owe him anything? Cause I don't feel very "free" if I have to spend my whole life trying to make it up to him.

Can't I ask god for that?

Me - "Hey god, let Jesus off the hook, I can deal with the repurcussions of my actions. In exchange for this, I'd like to not be forced to choose to love you or otherwise face hell."

Sounds fair to me, what about you? And if god wouldn't grant me that request, then he might as well have not given me free will. If he denies this request, then he is denying me the freedom which I desire. Therefore, I couldn't be free, I'd be unhappy, and there'd be no point in having free will for anything else.

Deity_Slapper

You haven't been following my posts, then. If we assume God exists (big assumption) and that It is omnipotent, as described in the Abrahamic religions (the only ones debated thus far) then It doesn't have to hearken to you, a finite creature, bent on destroying Its religion.

Therefore, if God is omnipotent, then any definition of God beyond infinity or a synonym of such is inaccurate. Being omnipotent, God is infinite, therefore any rational term (emotion, title, etc.) is inaccurate to the point of blasphemy, not that you care about blasphemy.

The whole point of Jesus dying for our sins is that he takes away the Original Sin, nothing more. We are still accountable for what we do on Earth, but the Hebrew concept of original sin is, in the eyes of Christians, eradicated. We no longer have to follow the laws of Leviticus because of Jesus dying for our sins. You, as you said, are free to do whatever you wish, but you don't have Jesus covering you if you should screw up in the eyes of God. And in any case, it wasn't as if Jesus was commanded by God to die for our sins, he chose to do so, using your precious free will.

Your entire argument has been a crock. You have been proven wrong so many times that I don't know why I bother posting this reply. If you have a brain in your skull, you will leave this thread and let people not blinded by their own pride and bigotry continue a more informed debate.