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#101 F1_2004
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Why is everyone on gamespot always crazy about wanting more nudity on TV? Not only is all kinds of nudity ridiculously easy to find on the web, but it's way better in person than it is on TV. I honestly don't want to be sitting in my living room with my family or girlfriend or friends or whatever you have, and have to watch tons of nudity. If anything, excessive TV nudity will desensitize me to it, much like CSI and all its clones have desensitized me to violence.

It'll be a sad day when I can't enjoy real-life boobies because I've seen so many of them on TV...

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#102 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] This is an odd opinion. Personally, I've found Australia to be less conservative towards sex and nudity than the US.

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More games get banned in Australia than in the UK/US....

That's got nothing to do with attitude to sex or nudity though. Most games in Australia are refused classification (not banned, crucial distinction), due to violence or drug use reasons. Australia, from my experience, is far more liberal when it comes to nudity and sex than the USA. It's age of consent is universally lower, it's population is exponentially more secular, it's primetime television is far smuttier, and if you've driven the main highways of Sydney or Melbourne recently, you'd have noticed the giant condom, Sexpo and erectile disfunction ads.

The age of consent is consistently 16 for Australia and the UK and the most common age of consent in the US is 16 though a few states hit 17 or even 18. But then again...that's a quibble since the vast majority DO use 16. Well if we're using commercials as a basis...they ARE shown in the US on regular TV channels. So I'm not seeing that Australia is any more liberal in this area.....and they do make it harder to get games.;)

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#103 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] More games get banned in Australia than in the UK/US....LJS9502_basic

That's got nothing to do with attitude to sex or nudity though. Most games in Australia are refused classification (not banned, crucial distinction), due to violence or drug use reasons. Australia, from my experience, is far more liberal when it comes to nudity and sex than the USA. It's age of consent is universally lower, it's population is exponentially more secular, it's primetime television is far smuttier, and if you've driven the main highways of Sydney or Melbourne recently, you'd have noticed the giant condom, Sexpo and erectile disfunction ads.

The age of consent is consistently 16 for Australia and the UK and the most common age of consent in the US is 16 though a few states hit 17 or even 18. But then again...that's a quibble since the vast majority DO use 16. Well if we're using commercials as a basis...they ARE shown in the US on regular TV channels. So I'm not seeing that Australia is any more liberal in this area.....and they do make it harder to get games.;)

Well, as I said, it's my opinion, as I don't really have a quantifiable way to demonstrate that Australia is less uptight about sex (is there a quantifiable scale for national sex attitudes :P), my point was that video game classifications are not really about attitudes to sex and nudity at all. They're about pointless bureaucracy not moving with the times. The only thing I can point to is Australia has almost no religious fundamentalists compared to the USA, so it's probably more in line with Britain (it's mother country).
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#104 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] That's got nothing to do with attitude to sex or nudity though. Most games in Australia are refused classification (not banned, crucial distinction), due to violence or drug use reasons. Australia, from my experience, is far more liberal when it comes to nudity and sex than the USA. It's age of consent is universally lower, it's population is exponentially more secular, it's primetime television is far smuttier, and if you've driven the main highways of Sydney or Melbourne recently, you'd have noticed the giant condom, Sexpo and erectile disfunction ads.Danm_999

The age of consent is consistently 16 for Australia and the UK and the most common age of consent in the US is 16 though a few states hit 17 or even 18. But then again...that's a quibble since the vast majority DO use 16. Well if we're using commercials as a basis...they ARE shown in the US on regular TV channels. So I'm not seeing that Australia is any more liberal in this area.....and they do make it harder to get games.;)

Well, as I said, it's my opinion, as I don't really have a quantifiable way to demonstrate that Australia is less uptight about sex (is there a quantifiable scale for national sex attitudes :P), my point was that video game classifications are not really about attitudes to sex and nudity at all. They're about pointless bureaucracy not moving with the times. The only thing I can point to is Australia has almost no religious fundamentalists compared to the USA, so it's probably more in line with Britain (it's mother country).

Religious fundamentalists don't impact the US actually....they are a minority. I'm always surprised people have such ideas about the states.
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American and British media do this too. In fact, I'd say they do it more than the Japanese and that's REALLY saying something. Anyway, the reason you don't see as much nudity in stuff from the UK and US is that those societies have a much heavier taboo placed on sex. America is particularly sensitive to this thanks to our puritanical roots. Interestingly enough though the Puritans, while loathing sex and skin, didn't seem to have much against violence judging by their relations with the natives and their almost gleeful willingness to burn "witches", and modern American society reflects this. A guy gets shot up into a bloody mix of meat chunks and gibs? Awesome. A woman shows a nipple during the super bowl? OH DEAR GOD WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!gameguy6700

UK has a heavier taboo on sex? No it doesn't. :lol:

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#106 Sides
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Just watching a few music videos shows how bad it is.. maybe they are not nude, but it is blatantly sexed right up in your face.

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#107 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Religious fundamentalists don't impact the US actually....they are a minority. I'm always surprised people have such ideas about the states.

My point was, there are more religious fundamentalists in the USA than there are in Australia (ie; almost zero). I'm aware that the vast majority of the US population are not fundamentalists.
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#108 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Religious fundamentalists don't impact the US actually....they are a minority. I'm always surprised people have such ideas about the states.

My point was, there are more religious fundamentalists in the USA than there are in Australia (ie; almost zero). I'm aware that the vast majority of the US population are not fundamentalists.

And sex and nudity are not hidden in the US.
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#109 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Religious fundamentalists don't impact the US actually....they are a minority. I'm always surprised people have such ideas about the states.

My point was, there are more religious fundamentalists in the USA than there are in Australia (ie; almost zero). I'm aware that the vast majority of the US population are not fundamentalists.

And sex and nudity are not hidden in the US.

No, I don't imagine they are. My point was I was perplexed as to why you envisaged Australia as a nation more repressive towards sex than the USA.
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#110 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] My point was, there are more religious fundamentalists in the USA than there are in Australia (ie; almost zero). I'm aware that the vast majority of the US population are not fundamentalists.

And sex and nudity are not hidden in the US.

No, I don't imagine they are. My point was I was perplexed as to why you envisaged Australia as a nation more repressive towards sex than the USA.

I enivision it as stricter in general due to the game situation.
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The age of consent is consistently 16 for Australia and the UK and the most common age of consent in the US is 16 though a few states hit 17 or even 18. But then again...that's a quibble since the vast majority DO use 16. Well if we're using commercials as a basis...they ARE shown in the US on regular TV channels. So I'm not seeing that Australia is any more liberal in this area.....and they do make it harder to get games.;)

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Well, as I said, it's my opinion, as I don't really have a quantifiable way to demonstrate that Australia is less uptight about sex (is there a quantifiable scale for national sex attitudes :P), my point was that video game classifications are not really about attitudes to sex and nudity at all. They're about pointless bureaucracy not moving with the times. The only thing I can point to is Australia has almost no religious fundamentalists compared to the USA, so it's probably more in line with Britain (it's mother country).

Religious fundamentalists don't impact the US actually....they are a minority. I'm always surprised people have such ideas about the states.

Yeah, I don't know why all of the countries where gay marriage is not a big deal would think that.

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#112 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And sex and nudity are not hidden in the US.LJS9502_basic
No, I don't imagine they are. My point was I was perplexed as to why you envisaged Australia as a nation more repressive towards sex than the USA.

I enivision it as stricter in general due to the game situation.

That's a silly extrapolation though. That's like me, for example, imagining the USA has comparatively lax drug laws because it has comparatively lax firearm control laws.
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#113 entropyecho
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Their women are hotter.

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#114 StopThePresses
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Religious fundamentalists don't impact the US actually....they are a minority. I'm always surprised people have such ideas about the states.

My point was, there are more religious fundamentalists in the USA than there are in Australia (ie; almost zero). I'm aware that the vast majority of the US population are not fundamentalists.

And sex and nudity are not hidden in the US.

Even nudity with no sexual content is considered more "obscene" in our media than violence, based upon movie and television ratings. This seems to be somewhat unique to America among Western countries.
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#115 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] My point was, there are more religious fundamentalists in the USA than there are in Australia (ie; almost zero). I'm aware that the vast majority of the US population are not fundamentalists.

And sex and nudity are not hidden in the US.

Even nudity with no sexual content is considered more "obscene" in our media than violence, based upon movie and television ratings. This seems to be somewhat unique to America among Western countries.

Ratings don't mean it's obscene. It means it's geared for specific demographics.:|
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#116 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] No, I don't imagine they are. My point was I was perplexed as to why you envisaged Australia as a nation more repressive towards sex than the USA.

I enivision it as stricter in general due to the game situation.

That's a silly extrapolation though. That's like me, for example, imagining the USA has comparatively lax drug laws because it has comparatively lax firearm control laws.

This seems to disagree with your opinion that games aren't a problem in Australia due to sexual content.
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And sex and nudity are not hidden in the US.LJS9502_basic
Even nudity with no sexual content is considered more "obscene" in our media than violence, based upon movie and television ratings. This seems to be somewhat unique to America among Western countries.

Ratings don't mean it's obscene. It means it's geared for specific demographics.:|

Okay, so then what is the reason that is considered more acceptable for children to see violence than it is for them to see full nudity with no sexual content? Why is this not the case in other countries?
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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"] Even nudity with no sexual content is considered more "obscene" in our media than violence, based upon movie and television ratings. This seems to be somewhat unique to America among Western countries.

Ratings don't mean it's obscene. It means it's geared for specific demographics.:|

Okay, so then what is the reason that is considered more acceptable for children to see violence than it is for them to see full nudity with no sexual content? Why is this not the case in other countries?

Violence is rated harsher. Excessive violence is usually an R. While you can see nudity in PG13.....and probably PG.
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#119 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I enivision it as stricter in general due to the game situation.LJS9502_basic
That's a silly extrapolation though. That's like me, for example, imagining the USA has comparatively lax drug laws because it has comparatively lax firearm control laws.

This seems to disagree with your opinion that games aren't a problem in Australia due to sexual content.

Does it? The list you provided honestly makes the argument Australia has a bigger problem with violence or drugs.

Of the list you provided, only 7 of 35 games were banned based on grounds of sexual content (and even many of those were in conjunction with violence and drug use). Only 4 of the 23 games were denied rating based on sexual reasons alone, and of those four only two remain unreleased (the other two being released with censored versions).

And as I've said, the lack of an R18+ video game rating does not mean Australia is sexually restrictive if it conforms to all other norms regarding sexuality. What it means is that Australia has as stupid video game rating system which many gamers in the country have been trying to change.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] That's a silly extrapolation though. That's like me, for example, imagining the USA has comparatively lax drug laws because it has comparatively lax firearm control laws.

This seems to disagree with your opinion that games aren't a problem in Australia due to sexual content.

Does it? Of the list you provided, only 7 of 35 games were banned based on grounds of sexual content (and even many of those were in conjunction with violence and drug use). Only 4 of the 23 games were denied rating based on sexual reasons alone, and of those four only two remain unreleased (the other two being released with censored versions). And as I've said, the lack of an R18+ video game rating does not mean Australia is sexually restrictive if it conforms to all other norms regarding sexuality.

Yeah it does...since you rather strongly implied games aren't banned due to sexual content but only violence. Only takes one on the list to disprove that theory.;)
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#121 Danm_999
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Yeah it does...since you rather strongly implied games aren't banned due to sexual content but only violence. Only takes one on the list to disprove that theory.;) LJS9502_basic

I never said anything of the sort. My exact words were:

Most games in Australia are refused classification (not banned, crucial distinction), due to violence or drug use reasons.

Your list proves it. Most games on that list were refused classification for violence or drug concerns, not sexual content concerns. Had I said "All games" or even "Games", you'd be correct. I did not however.

Anyway, I feel we've come a bit off topic here on the thread here. I'm going to call it a day, have a good one.

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The vast majority of americans are EXTREMELY sexually confused. A country has to be deeply disturbed in it's views of nudity if a thing like 'Girls gone wild' can be a multi-million dollar industry.

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Well, I can't speak for everyone, but the Girls Gone Wild series represents innocence, freedom and purity for me.

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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ratings don't mean it's obscene. It means it's geared for specific demographics.:|LJS9502_basic
Okay, so then what is the reason that is considered more acceptable for children to see violence than it is for them to see full nudity with no sexual content? Why is this not the case in other countries?

Violence is rated harsher. Excessive violence is usually an R. While you can see nudity in PG13.....and probably PG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_America_film_rating_system#From_M_to_PG

If a film contains male rear nudity, it is more likely to be given a lower rating than if the nudity were female. Male nudity is generally regarded as ribald (i.e. mooning) or natural, while female nudity is generally regarded as sexual. When it comes to exposed genitalia, there appears to be a double standard that allows male genitals to be shown much more often and more graphically than female genitals. Some films containing full-frontal male nudity have received PG and PG-13 ratings, such as The Cider House Rules (PG-13), in which a male migrant worker takes a shower and his genitalia are visible for a few seconds, though the scene is very brief and not in a sexual context. Films containing male or female full-frontal nudity usually earn an R rating, or possibly NC-17 if depicted in sexual situations.

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because we prefer violence in our media. It's just a cultural thing.
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Because the UK is more or less built on catholicism and the US is more or less built on protestantism. They're two countries which, despite being less and less religious, have developed over the last few hundreds years in line with 'christian values' which still permeate everything from the law to basic society standards.
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I don't know, but it's pretty funny. My parents always tell me to leave the room if they know nudity will be shown on a movie. It's prettty funny because I'm mature enough to handle nudity and have already seen like 50 hours worth of porn. But no, nudity will corrupt me.