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#51 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]How did life originate? *cough* Jesus *cough*foxhound_fox


So Jesus travelled back in time 4000 years and started life, then travelled forward in time to be crucified for humanities sins?

I hope Mindstorm at least does not believe in the young earth idea..

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Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked earth so hard it started raining babys. The end.

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#53 chessmaster1989
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I have absolutely no idea. That's all I can say.
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#54 Laughing_God
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The original Deity created time. The original Deity also created Man and Mer.
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#55 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]How did life originate? *cough* Jesus *cough*sSubZerOo


So Jesus travelled back in time 4000 years and started life, then travelled forward in time to be crucified for humanities sins?

I hope Mindstorm at least does not believe in the young earth idea..

Yes and no. I think disagree with both the naturalistic explanation and the fundamental explanation. I take some weird balance between the views. :|

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#56 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
So Jesus travelled back in time 4000 years and started life, then travelled forward in time to be crucified for humanities sins?

mindstorm

I hope Mindstorm at least does not believe in the young earth idea..

Yes and no. I think disagree with both the naturalistic explanation and the fundamental explanation. I take some weird balance between the views. :|

Wait so how old do you think the earth is?

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#57 tktomo01
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The correct answer is "Who gives a ****?!" Or the Chuck Norris one
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#58 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I hope Mindstorm at least does not believe in the young earth idea..

sSubZerOo

Yes and no. I think disagree with both the naturalistic explanation and the fundamental explanation. I take some weird balance between the views. :|

Wait so how old do you think the earth is?

As long as he says its age in years is over 9000, I'm fine :D.

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#59 BumFluff122
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How did life originate? *cough* Jesus *cough*mindstorm
Life originated with Jesus...?

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#60 tktomo01
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How did life originate? *cough* Jesus *cough*mindstorm
You could say Jesus, but isn't it God? I mean, Jesus IS God, but God is also God, and The Bible does say He was the creator, not Christ.
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#61 mindstorm
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As long as he says its age in years is over 9000, I'm fine :D.

chessmaster1989

Yes. More than that. Or about that. Maybe a lot more than that. I honestly don't care which. :P

btw, even when I was a hardcore young earth creationist I did not think the earth could be much younger than 10,000 years old.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]How did life originate? *cough* Jesus *cough*tktomo01
You could say Jesus, but isn't it God? I mean, Jesus IS God, but God is also God, and The Bible does say He was the creator, not Christ.

John 1:2-3 states, "He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." See, Jesus made us (according to Scripture). :D

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#62 RenegadePatriot
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God created life.
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#63 cavsfan2320
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Miller-Urey experiment. There are countless better articles on the subject in journals such as Nature and Science, but I douct they would be comprehended by the off-topic crowd. For the non-biologist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_urey

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#64 Dutch_Mix
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[QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"]Doesn't that directly conflict with the law of bio-genesis?foxhound_fox


Nope... not at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Until either new evidence comes along or someone comes up with a better explanation for the current evidence... abiogenesis is the most reasonable explanation for the origin of life on Earth that we have right now.

I've only just glanced at some of the models, but since you seem to know more about this than I, what experiments show conclusively how non-living matter evolved into physical life?

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Since we know that there was a beginning of lifeand that it didnt always exist, isnt it logical to believe that someone created it? I am really curious to know whether it's possible for life to have been orignated itself with all the basic structures of sex, excretion etc? Anonymous_7

We know that for sure huh? got a link? How do you know life has not always been?

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#66 ImmoDuck
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[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]Since we know that there was a beginning of lifeand that it didnt always exist, isnt it logical to believe that someone created it? I am really curious to know whether it's possible for life to have been orignated itself with all the basic structures of sex, excretion etc? bsman00

We know that for sure huh? got a link? How do you know life has not always been?

Big bang evidence, kalam cosmological argument, etc.

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#67 Anonymous_7
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[QUOTE="bsman00"]

[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]Since we know that there was a beginning of life and that it didnt always exist, isnt it logical to believe that someone created it? I am really curious to know whether it's possible for life to have been orignated itself with all the basic structures of sex, excretion etc? ImmoDuck

We know that for sure huh? got a link? How do you know life has not always been?

Big bang evidence, kalam cosmological argument, etc.

Yup.
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#68 bsman00
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[QUOTE="bsman00"]

[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]Since we know that there was a beginning of lifeand that it didnt always exist, isnt it logical to believe that someone created it? I am really curious to know whether it's possible for life to have been orignated itself with all the basic structures of sex, excretion etc? ImmoDuck

We know that for sure huh? got a link? How do you know life has not always been?

Big bang evidence, kalam cosmological argument, etc.

So you are telling me for sure you can prove there was no life before the big bang? just not possible

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Since we know that there was a beginning of life and that it didnt always exist, isnt it logical to believe that someone created it? I am really curious to know whether it's possible for life to have been orignated itself with all the basic structures of sex, excretion etc? Anonymous_7
If it is logical to believe someone created life... how did they create life? How is that logical?
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#70 Dr_Brocoli
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[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"][QUOTE="_Ben99_"]you really don't know? instead of asking strangers on forums why don't you bother and seek answers in religionDutch_Mix

What seek answers? "God created it" is going to be their answer..

What's the alternative? Science has no answer for where life came from.

Yes it does. Geordi and the movie explained it to you. Is your comprehension really that bad?
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#71 Anonymous_7
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[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]Since we know that there was a beginning of life and that it didnt always exist, isnt it logical to believe that someone created it? I am really curious to know whether it's possible for life to have been orignated itself with all the basic structures of sex, excretion etc? Dr_Brocoli
If it is logical to believe someone created life... how did they create life? How is that logical?

Becasue they had the knowledge to create it? You have to either believe that, a) God always existed or suddenly came into existence one day with all His powers OR b) The fundamental forces of nature always existed or suddenly came to be out of nothing. Neither is really logical however just looking at how complex the living organisms on earth are and just how beautiful and well designed earth looks, it is certainly more logical to believe that someone created it.
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:lol: how is "someone created it" the most logical/first thing that comes to your mind?
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#73 foxhound_fox
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I've only just glanced at some of the models, but since you seem to know more about this than I, what experiments show conclusively how non-living matter evolved into physical life?Dutch_Mix

None, yet. That's why it is a field in its infancy. But so far, it shows a lot of promise. Unless you can come up with a better explanation that is demonstrable either theoretically or observably, abiogenesis remains the best and most reasonable explanation we have.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]As long as he says its age in years is over 9000, I'm fine :D.

mindstorm

Yes. More than that. Or about that. Maybe a lot more than that. I honestly don't care which. :P

btw, even when I was a hardcore young earth creationist I did not think the earth could be much younger than 10,000 years old.

how can someone honestly ignore ALL GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE that the earth is OVER 4 BILLION YEARS OLD?!

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:lol: how is "someone created it" the most logical/first thing that comes to your mind? Brainkiller05
If you see a well crafted watch, will you think that someone created it or it just happened to be created itself?
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1 word: aliens

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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]:lol: how is "someone created it" the most logical/first thing that comes to your mind? Anonymous_7
If you see a well crafted watch, will you think that someone created it or it just happened to be created itself?

.. Life is anything but well crafted.. Rabits have to eat their own crap just to survive.. Their intestines are before their stomach, because they evolved from carnivores.. What does that mean? They have to eat their crap to gain the nutrients their stomach broke down.
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#78 DarkPrinceXC
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[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"][QUOTE="Dutch_Mix"]

What's the alternative? Science has no answer for where life came from.

Superbored

I wish God made it clear that He exists, it's so depressing. :(

Have faith! Blindly believe what people tell you!

So, if you believe what this video says, then that must mean you're blindly believing what he is telling you. Because, you know, we weren't around 550 million years ago to witness what happened. Just sayin'.
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I do not know the answer, but AFAIK, life was created by a string of random events.

While it seems extremely unlikely that these events would occur at random, one must remember that Earth like planets (seems to be) rare when compared with the amount of uninhabitable spheres of rock, gas, and plasma that populate space.

One must also put into account that Earth is probably not the first planet with life, and the possibility that our scientific theories and definitions are irrelevant, and simply dont work in unseen areas of space. Afterall, Humans, and other "Living" inhabitants of Earth associate what is real with what we can pick up with any of our senses and (Mostly with Humans) any technology that enhances those senses.

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[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]:lol: how is "someone created it" the most logical/first thing that comes to your mind? sSubZerOo
If you see a well crafted watch, will you think that someone created it or it just happened to be created itself?

.. Life is anything but well crafted.. Rabits have to eat their own crap just to survive.. Their intestines are before their stomach, because they evolved from carnivores.. What does that mean? They have to eat their crap to gain the nutrients their stomach broke down.

Who said that life is perfect? The rabbit is still a complex creation.. Look at humans, just how incredibly complex we are...I mean if you saw a watch with scraches on it and it sometimes shows the wrong time, would you suddenly think that it came into existence itself? I highly doubt so..
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i suggest everyone that is confused to either watch carl sagan's " cosmos " video series.. or take an anthropology class ASAP... ignorance is not bliss.nimatoad2000
I don't want to crap on your suggestion (because it is a good suggestion), but Carl Sagan's work is out of date. The video series and books are interesting, and are certainly an approachable starting point, but I would suggest other sources before Carl Sagan now, because his information can lead to confusion. Another research scientist whose work I think anyone interested in this subject should look into is Louis Pasteur, who disproved spontaneous generation.

I like reading your posts Foxfound Fox. You're one of the most articulate people on Gamespot. :)

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If you see a well crafted watch, will you think that someone created it or it just happened to be created itself?Anonymous_7

We know a watch has a creator, they are called jewelers. Also, life is not well crafted... if it were, there wouldn't be disease or genetic defects.

The teleological argument is some big fail.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]If you see a well crafted watch, will you think that someone created it or it just happened to be created itself?Anonymous_7
.. Life is anything but well crafted.. Rabits have to eat their own crap just to survive.. Their intestines are before their stomach, because they evolved from carnivores.. What does that mean? They have to eat their crap to gain the nutrients their stomach broke down.

Who said that life is perfect? The rabbit is still a complex creation.. Look at humans, just how incredibly complex we are...I mean if you saw a watch with scraches on it and it sometimes shows the wrong time, would you suddenly think that it came into existence itself? I highly doubt so..

We also have numerous defects, dieases, etc etc.. Something that has been built up by chance for billions of years.. Furthermore complexity is a matter of perspective.. They seem complex to us, due to our limited knowledge of biology.
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I like this version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp1Ke-13dTc

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Luck. Sheer luck.
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We would obviously know the answer to that question

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[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] .. Life is anything but well crafted.. Rabits have to eat their own crap just to survive.. Their intestines are before their stomach, because they evolved from carnivores.. What does that mean? They have to eat their crap to gain the nutrients their stomach broke down.sSubZerOo
Who said that life is perfect? The rabbit is still a complex creation.. Look at humans, just how incredibly complex we are...I mean if you saw a watch with scraches on it and it sometimes shows the wrong time, would you suddenly think that it came into existence itself? I highly doubt so..

We also have numerous defects, dieases, etc etc.. Something that has been built up by chance for billions of years.. Furthermore complexity is a matter of perspective.. They seem complex to us, due to our limited knowledge of biology.

Also the point is that we developed through very small improvments, very small improvments over a very long timecan produce anything. Open your mind to the length of time we have had to evolve and then you may come to reason.

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[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]If you see a well crafted watch, will you think that someone created it or it just happened to be created itself?foxhound_fox


We know a watch has a creator, they are called jewelers. Also, life is not well crafted... if it were, there wouldn't be disease or genetic defects.

The teleological argument is some big fail.


What if they were put there on purpose for population control!?

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]If you see a well crafted watch, will you think that someone created it or it just happened to be created itself?carrot-cake


We know a watch has a creator, they are called jewelers. Also, life is not well crafted... if it were, there wouldn't be disease or genetic defects.

The teleological argument is some big fail.


What if they were put there on purpose for population control!?

If god were so perfect and omnipotent, why did he create a world with lack of resources and space such to the extent where we need population control?
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What if they were put there on purpose for population control!?carrot-cake

No need for population control with an entire world population of a few million a couple thousand years ago.

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#91 Wolls
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What if they were put there on purpose for population control!?

Well then it failed missorubly with over 6 billion of us and a max human sustainable population of 1 billion

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#92 foxhound_fox
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Well then it failed missorubly with over 6 billion of us and a max human sustainable population of 1 billion

Wolls


"Over" doesn't quite represent where the population is right now... its almost at 7 billion (6.77).

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[QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]If you see a well crafted watch, will you think that someone created it or it just happened to be created itself?foxhound_fox


We know a watch has a creator, they are called jewelers. Also, life is not well crafted... if it were, there wouldn't be disease or genetic defects.

The teleological argument is some big fail.

Well the watch will also have defects and wont function forever. :| And it could have "disease" as well, that's why there are warranties you know...
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Furthermore complexity is a matter of perspective.. They seem complex to us, due to our limited knowledge of biology.sSubZerOo
Sorry but that's a ridiculous argument. They are complex as far as we are concerned. A cheetah matching the accelaration of a ferrari is not complex I guess cuz our knowlegde of mechnical engineering is limited right?
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Anonymous_7"]Who said that life is perfect? The rabbit is still a complex creation.. Look at humans, just how incredibly complex we are...I mean if you saw a watch with scraches on it and it sometimes shows the wrong time, would you suddenly think that it came into existence itself? I highly doubt so.. Wolls

We also have numerous defects, dieases, etc etc.. Something that has been built up by chance for billions of years.. Furthermore complexity is a matter of perspective.. They seem complex to us, due to our limited knowledge of biology.

Also the point is that we developed through very small improvments, very small improvments over a very long timecan produce anything. Open your mind to the length of time we have had to evolve and then you may come to reason.

I can leave all the necessary materials needed to make a watch somewhere and I can asure in even a billion years the watch wouldnt be made but the materials would expire or just break away... Heck I can leave enough materials to make 1000 watches and not a single one would be made...
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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
We know a watch has a creator, they are called jewelers. Also, life is not well crafted... if it were, there wouldn't be disease or genetic defects.

The teleological argument is some big fail.

Vandalvideo


What if they were put there on purpose for population control!?

If god were so perfect and omnipotent, why did he create a world with lack of resources and space such to the extent where we need population control?

Life is apparantly a "test".....although I ****ing hate this so called test. :@
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#97 Anonymous_7
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Also wouldnt that little bit of life need to survive for so long before it would grow enough to make the chances of total extinction very low? It really does make me think that there has to be a God.
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Well the watch will also have defects and wont function forever. :| And it could have "disease" as well, that's why there are warranties you know...Anonymous_7

Then you take it back to the jeweler and get it fixed. How does this prove God exists?

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#99 Omega_Zero69
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we evolved from trees :P
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#100 D_Battery
Member since 2009 • 2478 Posts

Thank God this hasn't turned into a Jesus-fest yet...

There are certainly many scientific explanations to the phenomenon of life, but those that wish to follow any other must know that they do not so out of purely logical reasoning but faith. To accept an explanation which does not make the most logical sense as far as our best methods of inquiry can tell us requires either some sort of knowledge which the rest of us do not possess, or faith.