How do you feel about India and China entering the US auto market?

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China will eventually take over the world.

Chinese cars should never be allowed on US soil. They're death traps.

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Chinese cars should never be allowed on US soil. They're death traps.

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bigfootstew

The U.S. DOT would never let those cars on American streets without being built better. We are already losing the car market to Japan, so this doesn't bug me much. I WANT a cheaper, easier-to-fix, more reliable and more valuable car ...

What I am more concerned with is the bigger picture. The US needs to gain any ground that was lost elsewhere. So we lose the cars, but maybe we become the number one exporter of .... gypsum or custom=built log cabins, video games or ... porn. Whatever.

The US needs to maintain a top producing position in the world.

Chinese cars should never be allowed on US soil. They're death traps.

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bigfootstew

Well having foreign manufacturers entering a local market is never a good thing for the economy, this obviously gives consumers the choice of an outsourced product. Not only is this a product from elsewhere, but if these proposed vehicles are the ones you are referring to http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/CheapChineseCarsSpeedTowardUS.aspx ; then I feel that the North American markets are going to suffer severely, all things considered with the state of the car corporations.PistolGripPump

The problem I see is not with having foreign manufacturers in the US. The Japanese and Germans have great engineers and make some of the best cars in the world. They've opened plants in the southern US which have created a lot of jobs.

My problem is specifically with the Chinese. They have no sense of quality and do not value human life. They make shoddy and dangerous products and are content to be the world's sweat shop. The last thing we need them making are our cars. Need I remind you of their lead toys, poisoned pet food, poisoned baby formula, or corrosive dry wall that emits noxious sulfur compounds and has cost thousands of people their homes?

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Chinese cars should never be allowed on US soil. They're death traps.

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my_mortal_coil

The U.S. DOT would never let those cars on American streets without being built better. We are already losing the car market to Japan, so this doesn't bug me much. I WANT a cheaper, easier-to-fix, more reliable and more valuable car ...

What I am more concerned with is the bigger picture. The US needs to gain any ground that was lost elsewhere. So we lose the cars, but maybe we become the number one exporter of .... gypsum or custom=built log cabins, video games or ... porn. Whatever.

The US needs to maintain a top producing position in the world.

Sure they would if someone handed them a big enough bribe. You can do anything in this country if you have plenty of money and lobbyists.

And the scary part is that plenty of people would buy them. The same people who now buy Kias, Hyundais, and other crappy cars.

Well having foreign manufacturers entering a local market is never a good thing for the economy, this obviously gives consumers the choice of an outsourced product. Not only is this a product from elsewhere, but if these proposed vehicles are the ones you are referring to http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/CheapChineseCarsSpeedTowardUS.aspx ; then I feel that the North American markets are going to suffer severely, all things considered with the state of the car corporations.PistolGripPump

If they can do it better, and cheaper, why not? Going by what you're saying every market should be closed to trade, which would ruin every economy in the world. Free trade is good.

[QUOTE="PistolGripPump"]Well having foreign manufacturers entering a local market is never a good thing for the economy, this obviously gives consumers the choice of an outsourced product. Not only is this a product from elsewhere, but if these proposed vehicles are the ones you are referring to http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/CheapChineseCarsSpeedTowardUS.aspx ; then I feel that the North American markets are going to suffer severely, all things considered with the state of the car corporations.daqua_99

If they can do it better, and cheaper, why not? Going by what you're saying every market should be closed to trade, which would ruin every economy in the world. Free trade is good.

The Chinese don't do anything better. Just cheaper. Chinese products are garbage. Dangerous garbage.

I'm all for free trade, but I wouldn't shed a tear if we banned the import of all Chinese made goods and moved production elsewhere.

[QUOTE="PistolGripPump"]Well having foreign manufacturers entering a local market is never a good thing for the economy, this obviously gives consumers the choice of an outsourced product. Not only is this a product from elsewhere, but if these proposed vehicles are the ones you are referring to http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/CheapChineseCarsSpeedTowardUS.aspx ; then I feel that the North American markets are going to suffer severely, all things considered with the state of the car corporations.bigfootstew

The problem I see is not with having foreign manufacturers in the US. The Japanese and Germans have great engineers and make some of the best cars in the world. They've opened plants in the southern US which have created a lot of jobs.

My problem is specifically with the Chinese. They have no sense of quality and do not value human life. They make shoddy and dangerous products and are content to be the world's sweat shop. The last thing we need them making are our cars. Need I remind you of their lead toys, poisoned pet food, poisoned baby formula, or corrosive dry wall that emits noxious sulfur compounds and has cost thousands of people their homes?

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[QUOTE="PistolGripPump"]Well having foreign manufacturers entering a local market is never a good thing for the economy, this obviously gives consumers the choice of an outsourced product. Not only is this a product from elsewhere, but if these proposed vehicles are the ones you are referring to http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/CheapChineseCarsSpeedTowardUS.aspx ; then I feel that the North American markets are going to suffer severely, all things considered with the state of the car corporations.Angry_Mushroom

The problem I see is not with having foreign manufacturers in the US. The Japanese and Germans have great engineers and make some of the best cars in the world. They've opened plants in the southern US which have created a lot of jobs.

My problem is specifically with the Chinese. They have no sense of quality and do not value human life. They make shoddy and dangerous products and are content to be the world's sweat shop. The last thing we need them making are our cars. Need I remind you of their lead toys, poisoned pet food, poisoned baby formula, or corrosive dry wall that emits noxious sulfur compounds and has cost thousands of people their homes?

They will never be up to spec. The problem is specifically with their culture.

Germans, Japanese, even Koreans strive for perfection in their engineering. The Chinese have absolutely no sense of quality. It's just not a concern for them.They want to make things as cheaply as possible. And if it breaks right away, even better for them, because you'll have to buy another one right away.

Chinese cars should never be allowed on US soil. They're death traps.

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bigfootstew

That is nothing.

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The cargo survived...

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[QUOTE="PistolGripPump"]Well having foreign manufacturers entering a local market is never a good thing for the economy, this obviously gives consumers the choice of an outsourced product. Not only is this a product from elsewhere, but if these proposed vehicles are the ones you are referring to http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/CheapChineseCarsSpeedTowardUS.aspx ; then I feel that the North American markets are going to suffer severely, all things considered with the state of the car corporations.bigfootstew

If they can do it better, and cheaper, why not? Going by what you're saying every market should be closed to trade, which would ruin every economy in the world. Free trade is good.

The Chinese don't do anything better. Just cheaper. Chinese products are garbage. Dangerous garbage.

I'm all for free trade, but I wouldn't shed a tear if we banned the import of all Chinese made goods and moved production elsewhere.

Banning all imports from China would absolutely ruin the economy. Whilst yes the Chinese do make dangerous goods, it is also the responsibility of regulators and consumers to make sure products are safe for the market. Don't get me wrong, I believe the Chinese have a lot to answer for in terms of quality, but when it comes to things s important as food and as dangerous as cars, there needs to be restrictions on every import, not just those from China

Not Good.

I love my Toyota Tundra, and my wife loves her Camry.

I'm going to stick with the highest quality cars I can find. Unfortunately, U.S. automakers are hamstrung by ridiculous regulations and unions. No such problem in Japan.

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

Chinese cars should never be allowed on US soil. They're death traps.

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my_mortal_coil

The U.S. DOT would never let those cars on American streets without being built better. We are already losing the car market to Japan, so this doesn't bug me much. I WANT a cheaper, easier-to-fix, more reliable and more valuable car ...

What I am more concerned with is the bigger picture. The US needs to gain any ground that was lost elsewhere. So we lose the cars, but maybe we become the number one exporter of .... gypsum or custom=built log cabins, video games or ... porn. Whatever.

The US needs to maintain a top producing position in the world.

lol those crash tests are terrible. Compare them to Mercedes crash tests... But anyways they would surely be modified to pass North American safety tests if they decided to sell in North America. Don't know if they'll make it, though. The automobile industry is one where quality and aesthetic are still incredibly important.

US car makers need to improve their standards. One of the best ways to achieve this is through competition.Bourbons3

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]US car makers need to improve their standards. One of the best ways to achieve this is through competition.STAR_Admiral

US car makers need to improve their standards. One of the best ways to achieve this is through competition.Bourbons3

I will never buy a Chinese made car. Lead based Wheaties are not the breakfast of champions either.

I read somewhere a long time back that GM sold the molds for the 1955-1957 Chevy to India.

That irks me: they should be in the Smithsonian.

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]US car makers need to improve their standards. One of the best ways to achieve this is through competition.dk00111

American cars and German cars should be the only cars allowed in America. We live in America, for God's sake. Why support the Japanese or Korean economy? German cars are fine, because German companies trade fair, but Japanese and Korean car companies... pft. Scumbags.

American cars and German cars should be the only cars allowed in America. We live in America, for God's sake. Why support the Japanese or Korean economy? German cars are fine, because German companies trade fair, but Japanese and Korean car companies... pft. Scumbags.

Vivian7

"Scumbags"? More like their cars were worth a damn. They won fair and square. Germany and the US can go home crying.

Of course this doesn't mean I'm against protectionism - but it's too late for that now. Japanese and Korean companies already hire many employees in the US.

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American cars and German cars should be the only cars allowed in America. We live in America, for God's sake. Why support the Japanese or Korean economy? German cars are fine, because German companies trade fair, but Japanese and Korean car companies... pft. Scumbags.

Famiking

"Scumbags"? More like their cars were worth a damn. They won fair and square. Germany and the US can go home crying.

Of course this doesn't mean I'm against protectionism - but it's too late for that now. Japanese and Korean companies already hire many employees in the US.

American cars and German cars should be the only cars allowed in America. We live in America, for God's sake. Why support the Japanese or Korean economy? German cars are fine, because German companies trade fair, but Japanese and Korean car companies... pft. Scumbags.Vivian7

How are they scumbags? I'm really interested in why you believe this. You provided no logical reason (or even an illogical reason) for the disdain that you have for the Koreans and Japanese. Furthermore, the only developed economies of note that don't "trade fair" are China and the U.S. Japan has problems in terms of how their businesses and government are run, but these problems don't really translate to many trade-oriented issues.

US car makers need to improve their standards. One of the best ways to achieve this is through competition.Bourbons3

Regardless of all of this, the Chinese will not be entering our market any time soon. Tata, on the other hand, just may. One of their stated goals is meeting American-Euro standards, and, remembering an article that I read recently (in The Economist), Tata has made it clear that it would like to begin manufacturing and selling within Eastern Europe by 2015. Ambitious, yes, but certainly possible.

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The problem I see is not with having foreign manufacturers in the US. The Japanese and Germans have great engineers and make some of the best cars in the world. They've opened plants in the southern US which have created a lot of jobs.

My problem is specifically with the Chinese. They have no sense of quality and do not value human life. They make shoddy and dangerous products and are content to be the world's sweat shop. The last thing we need them making are our cars. Need I remind you of their lead toys, poisoned pet food, poisoned baby formula, or corrosive dry wall that emits noxious sulfur compounds and has cost thousands of people their homes?

bigfootstew

They will never be up to spec. The problem is specifically with their culture.

Germans, Japanese, even Koreans strive for perfection in their engineering. The Chinese have absolutely no sense of quality. It's just not a concern for them.They want to make things as cheaply as possible. And if it breaks right away, even better for them, because you'll have to buy another one right away.

racist much??

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[QUOTE="Angry_Mushroom"] It's obvious that their products aren't up to spec, but when they finally attain the standards what then? After a certain point I think that we'll need another "kia" type car brand. Since both the Korean brands are now rather upmarket. dontshackzmii

They will never be up to spec. The problem is specifically with their culture.

Germans, Japanese, even Koreans strive for perfection in their engineering. The Chinese have absolutely no sense of quality. It's just not a concern for them.They want to make things as cheaply as possible. And if it breaks right away, even better for them, because you'll have to buy another one right away.

racist much??

I sincerely wish Chinese companies find a way to improve their products so that they don't become the laughing stock as witnessed in countless of user comments on the Internet.

You're absolutely right on simplistic terms, but an overall analysis of this specific topic - the possible introduction of Chinese and Indian cars into the American market, would not have that impact, for a couple of different reasons...

HerrJosefK

Let me clear up what I said; free trade is good, however when foreign countries introduce a product which has clearly been deemed unsafe when in a crash, why should they be allowed to bring it into our market? Sure it may be cheap, but you can't put a price on a life. I'm assuming there must be a safety regulation established within government that could restrict these cars.PistolGripPump

The reason why there is still no single Chinese car for sale in North America is because they have failed several crash tests, so if they bring them here, that means they would have passed (albeit probably not excel) safety regulations.

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[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

They will never be up to spec. The problem is specifically with their culture.

Germans, Japanese, even Koreans strive for perfection in their engineering. The Chinese have absolutely no sense of quality. It's just not a concern for them.They want to make things as cheaply as possible. And if it breaks right away, even better for them, because you'll have to buy another one right away.

HerrJosefK

racist much??

It doesn't irk me much. They'll have to pass mad safety inspections to sell them. Personally, I probably wouldn't buy one. I doubt they'd be anything like Japanese automobiles in terms of quality. I don't see them harming the U.S. auto industry much, although the only one I really care for is the Ford group. Why not allow them to sell cars here?

More choices is always good for consumers.

let's hope they're as safe and match standard specs.

Maybe then I can sell my SUV and get a Sedan.