How do you feel about spousal rape as a legal issue?

If you force someone into sexual intercourse against their will, regardless of them being married to you, then it is rape.Treflis

I agree. I never forced myself on my wife. I always have to do it the old-fashioned way with some sweet talk or maybe an expensive rock.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"] Oh, it's a big deal, it's just that many seem to dress this up as an anti-male piece of legislation. Which is something I'm still absolutely not understanding.Deano

I already stated previously there is no way my wife could ever rape me.

I think it's crazy you'd support a law that could put you away for 25 years simply on someones word.

I think it's crazy you'd support a law that could put you away for 25 years simply on someones word.Deano

If you force someone into sexual intercourse against their will, regardless of them being married to you, then it is rape.Treflis

i think you should be allowed to rape your wife. after all she is your wife and should have sex with you till death due us part

[QUOTE="Treflis"]If you force someone into sexual intercourse against their will, regardless of them being married to you, then it is rape.STAR_Admiral

I honestly cannot believe some of the posts I've read in this thread.:(

i think you should be allowed

GrabTheYayo

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i think you should be allowed

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

i think you should be allowed

GrabTheYayo

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Wife...yes. Property....no.:|

LJS9502_basic

There are situations in which rape can be proven...

What if there are witnesses? What if it's caught on video? Should people get away with that just because they're having a relationship?

Or say, for example a spouse requested sex from his/her partner, the partner openly refuses, and the spouse forces himself/herself upon him/her. If that person defends himself/herself from the rapist and hurts him/her, wouldn't that actually make the rapist a victim, since rape in a relationship would be completely legal?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]countries in the middle east would dissagree

GrabTheYayo

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]countries in the middle east would dissagree

GrabTheYayo

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]countries in the middle east would dissagree

GrabTheYayo

Rape is rape, but if he's trying to rape you, why the hell would you marry him anyway?

Also, the bible can bite me, everyone has a choice.

Well, if you can't force her to cook for you every day, I don't see how this is any different.

Rape is rape, but if he's trying to rape you, why the hell would you marry him anyway?

Also, the bible can bite me, everyone has a choice.

Bladecutter56

There should be signs of something happening to prove it was actually Rape. If it was just his word against hers how could you prove anything?

Twenty "no" votes, are you ****ing kidding me?

Twenty "no" votes, are you ****ing kidding me?

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]I'm confused by your statement in the poll "No, because sex is part of the marital due according to the Bible." Just because Scripture says not to deny your spouse sexual pleasure does not mean rape is fine. :| Rape is rape regardless of any preexisting relationship.Teenaged

Heck, read the book Song of Solomon and you'll quickly notice that. From what I have gained from Scripture marriage should consist of frequent, passionate, and enjoyable sex. Sure Christians debate whether or not we should use birth control but I personally see no problem with birth control from a biblical perspective. The command to "be fruitful and multiply" should be an enjoyable experience. :P

Personally, I have every intention of "waiting until marriage" but once that honeymoon comes I shall grab some redbull and gaterade as we are locked away for a week. ;)

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]I'm confused by your statement in the poll "No, because sex is part of the marital due according to the Bible." Just because Scripture says not to deny your spouse sexual pleasure does not mean rape is fine. :| Rape is rape regardless of any preexisting relationship.mindstorm

Heck, read the book Song of Solomon and you'll quickly notice that. From what I have gained from Scripture marriage should consist of frequent, passionate, and enjoyable sex. Sure Christians debate whether or not we should use birth control but I personally see no problem with birth control from a biblical perspective. The command to "be fruitful and multiply" should be an enjoyable experience. :P

Personally, I have every intention of "waiting until marriage" but once that honeymoon comes I shall grab some redbull and gaterade as we are locked away for a week. ;)

No I dont mean if it condemns us enjoying sex. But does it condemn having sex just for pleasure? Because certain Christians do speak as if it does.Teenaged

Personally I think the idea that sex should only be for procreation is more based in tradition than Scripture. I haven't studied this specific idea historically but many times the church sees the culture exemplifying an action and then they go into the opposite direction. As an example, due to the extensive use of provocative dancing many churches have turned down the idea of dancing all together. Basically, as the culture perverts something good, the church often times overreacts by forgetting there was anything good there to begin with.

Because the culture exemplifies sexual deviancy the church has often responded by abandoning sexual altogether or by making every sexual act permissible. Sex is a very good thing but can easily be made perverse. There needs to be a balance between those two ideas.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The woman in your scenario could still get justice by charging him with assault and battery, and giving him a max sentence. Like I mentioned to the other poster a minute ago, there could even be a clause that allows for a longer sentence for this particular type of assault.

I don't think you mentioned this, but some other people seem concerned about the "hassle" of changing the law. If you're really interested in justice, that hassle shouldn't matter.

GabuEx

A max sentence for assault and battery is probably no more than five years. In some states, it's even less than a year. In California, it's six months. If you lived in California, and your husband brutally raped you, he could get no more than six months in jail. And you're calling this justice.

Let's recap.

You have stated that a wife in a marriage is obligated to have sex with her husband whenever he wants, no matter what, even if she doesn't want sex at the time.

You have stated that if a wife is raped by her husband because she didn't want sex, then the rape is her fault.

You have stated that if a wife has a video of her refusing sex and screaming for help while her husband rapes her, he should not be able to be charged with rape, simply because she is married to him.

You have stated that assault and battery is an acceptable substitute, despite the fact that you have openly admitted the massive difference in maximum sentence for assault and battery compared to rape.

I tend to look very unfavorably upon those who cry "sexism", but in this situation I am finding such a charge very, very difficult not to make. Your position is utterly indefensible, and frankly, I pray that you are not serious, because if you are, I feel genuine pity for you, as if so, then you are truly lost.

As I think we have officially left the bounds of even slight reasonability, I will say only one more thing before leaving this thread permanently: if, in order to maintain your interpretation of a holy book, you find yourself needing to oppose the legal ability to charge a rapist with rape, even in the face of utterly undeniable evidence... then you might want to revisit that interpretation.

You know.. Men are sometimes raped by women, too. It would be a 2-way street. You make it sound like this is meant to target women.

My statements also included the possibility of adding a clause to the assault and battery charge to allow for a long sentence in cases like this. Funny that you didn't "recap" that.

I have no issue with charging a rapist with rape. I contend that rape should be treated as assault once you're married to someone, live with them, and have an ongoing sexual relationship with them. More or less, that a true "rape" isn't possible anymore under these circumstances. Abuse, yes.. but I think that once you show a willingness to have sex with someone all the time, you shouldn't be able to charge them with straight-up rape. I know most of you disagree with this, but that's how I see it. I think that marriage should be the official line where the charges can't be filed as such.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]No I dont mean if it condemns us enjoying sex. But does it condemn having sex just for pleasure? Because certain Christians do speak as if it does.mindstorm

Personally I think the idea that sex should only be for procreation is more based in tradition than Scripture. I haven't studied this specific idea historically but many times the church sees the culture exemplifying an action and then they go into the opposite direction. As an example, due to the extensive use of provocative dancing many churches have turned down the idea of dancing all together. Basically, as the culture perverts something good, the church often times overreacts by forgetting there was anything good there to begin with.

Because the culture exemplifies sexual deviancy the church has often responded by abandoning sexual altogether or by making every sexual act permissible. Sex is a very good thing but can easily be made perverse. There needs to be a balance between those two ideas.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]No I dont mean if it condemns us enjoying sex. But does it condemn having sex just for pleasure? Because certain Christians do speak as if it does.Teenaged

Personally I think the idea that sex should only be for procreation is more based in tradition than Scripture. I haven't studied this specific idea historically but many times the church sees the culture exemplifying an action and then they go into the opposite direction. As an example, due to the extensive use of provocative dancing many churches have turned down the idea of dancing all together. Basically, as the culture perverts something good, the church often times overreacts by forgetting there was anything good there to begin with.

Because the culture exemplifies sexual deviancy the church has often responded by abandoning sexual altogether or by making every sexual act permissible. Sex is a very good thing but can easily be made perverse. There needs to be a balance between those two ideas.

Some people believe you should be able to rape your spouse?

More reason to completely abolish marriage.

Spousal rape is already illegal, at least in my state. Is this even an issue? I don't think it is.

At no point in a legally binding marriage license does it give either person possession of the Other's body. I think that for obvious reasons, any accusation of rape in a marriage should be looked at from a different perspective and with more scrutiny and would definitely not be as clear cut as one that did not involve two married people.

Of course the involved parties are also at fault for still being in such a relationship to begin with. If you are not willing to freely satisfy your partner you owe it to them to leave so they can get their fix elsewhere. Of course there are mitigating factors when sex is witheld in the short term so i am speaking mostly of long term lacks of intimacy.

I knew this thread sounded like it would get interesting *continues to lurk*kamikaze_pigmy

I've already gone through 5 tubs of MJ brand popcorn just reading this thread.