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#51 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Well, we're probably going to find out, and be here to discuss it as the process occurs, so I guess it's "wait and see". I for one think that betting against the paranoia of people when it comes to "one nation under their idea of god", and the genuine nuttiness that is mormonism is a losing bet. Still, we'll see. LJS9502_basic
Wait and see what? There was opposition against a Catholic president but we had one in 1960. So religion was a departure before race. And race has been a departure before sex.

Catholic is still Christian, Mormon is Christian + a book that claims to describe some very... interesting.... ideas. I suspect that it will not be viewed as christian at all by many. Catholic is still pretty damned similar in core beliefs to other flavors of christian... mormonism is not.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] It's somewhat telling that the departure from the norm was skin color, not gender, not religion, not sexual orientation. I suspect that gender would be the next move, not religion... this country is all kinds of cwwwaaaazzzyyy about religion. Frame_Dragger
Religion was the departure in a long time ago.

Well, we're probably going to find out, and be here to discuss it as the process occurs, so I guess it's "wait and see". I for one think that betting against the paranoia of people when it comes to "one nation under their idea of god", and the genuine nuttiness that is mormonism is a losing bet. Still, we'll see. @GreySeal9: Maybe, but on the other hand it's kind of telling that Herman Cain, who is an unelectable nutcase is leading Romney... basically the whole field is taking turns leading Romeny until inevitably they all fall down and Romneyis left. The R's know that Romney has a massive uphill climb, against his religion, his healthcare record, his jobs record, and his perosonality.

Herman Cain is leading Romney? :? I mean, I know that Cain had a recent surge, but I didn't think he was leading Romney. Are you sure?

But yeah, I'm certainly not contesting that the Republicans clearly want an alternative to Romney and Romney does have issues as candidate (tho his religion certainly shouldn't be an issue) and is not particularly well-rounded. I just don't really see a splitting of the vote.

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Catholic is still Christian, Mormon is Christian + a book that claims to describe some very... interesting.... ideas. I suspect that it will not be viewed as christian at all by many. Catholic is still pretty damned similar in core beliefs to other flavors of christian... mormonism is not.Frame_Dragger
I can assure you as a Catholic I've been told by more than enough Evangelicals that I'm not Christian.

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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Catholic is still Christian, Mormon is Christian + a book that claims to describe some very... interesting.... ideas. I suspect that it will not be viewed as christian at all by many. Catholic is still pretty damned similar in core beliefs to other flavors of christian... mormonism is not.LJS9502_basic

I can assure you as a Catholic I've been told by more than enough Evangelicals that I'm not Christian.

Considering that the Catholic is the original and first Christian church, those evangelicals are just flat out stupid. Christians are people who try to be Christ like in their lives. You follow Christ, you're a Christian. The acceptance of a Catholic president was a step sideways, not a step forward.
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[QUOTE="vfibsux"]Herman Cain is the only non-politician in the running, he is who I am leaning for. I wish there were a good moderate libertarian, Ron Paul is just a nut. I will have to settle for Cain, even though I don't like the social conservative crap.Frame_Dragger
Cain is genuinely out of his mind. He think Planned Parenthood is a genocidal organization designed to lower the black population, that Sharia law is sneaking into the USA, and that's some of the LEAST crazy **** that comes out of his mouth. I don't mean he's nutty, I mena he is NUTS.

Listene to him many a day on talk radio, you have links for this stuff? I don't recall hearing anything like it, not in those drastic terms anyway.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Catholic is still Christian, Mormon is Christian + a book that claims to describe some very... interesting.... ideas. I suspect that it will not be viewed as christian at all by many. Catholic is still pretty damned similar in core beliefs to other flavors of christian... mormonism is not.TransFishers

I can assure you as a Catholic I've been told by more than enough Evangelicals that I'm not Christian.

Considering that the Catholic is the original and first Christian church, those evangelicals are just flat out stupid. Christians are people who try to be Christ like in their lives. You follow Christ, you're a Christian. The acceptance of a Catholic president was a step sideways, not a step forward.

I know that and you know that. But some groups don't allow for that. And no...it was a concern during that election....just as it is today.
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I'm happy with the decline of Rick Perry but with Mitt Romney up there it doesn't make one hell of a difference because I wouldn't want either to be President. The only one I can stand out of all of them is Ron Paul, mostly because it seems like he isn't hiding anything from the public about what he believes and thinks and his true intentions. Not to mention I think it'd be hilarious to watch a debate between Obama and Ron Paul but with the media not backing him I doubt it'll ever happen. You have to give him credit though because even with the lack of wide spread media coverage (fox news recently pulling a poll of their website with Ron paul in the lead, news stories not mentioning his place in the polls and simply skipping over him etc) He's still in third place.


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He has no substance
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I liked him when he first came into the race, but I can't agree with him on a lot of things as they're brought into the light. Supporting in-state tuition for illegals is only encouraging illegal immigration.

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Good riddance.
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#61 surrealnumber5
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Good riddance.chessmaster1989
Chester, you dont mind if i call you Chester do you Chester? any way, i almost thought you were going to be a no show for the week, been protesting? or is school getting in the way of the important things in life, like my entertainment?

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#62 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Good riddance.chessmaster1989

I have also wondered where you've been.

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#63 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I am happy. Perry is a nutcase.

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Based on his track record in Texas and his atrocious public speaking ability, it's a good thing he's not the frontrunner anymore. Romney is the lesser of the two evils and although a lot of his policies won't do the country any good given the current economic situation, he's got some other ideas that may prove to be beneficial.

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Based on his track record in Texas and his atrocious public speaking ability, it's a good thing he's not the frontrunner anymore. Romney is the lesser of the two evils and although a lot of his policies won't do the country any good given the current economic situation, he's got some other ideas that may prove to be beneficial.Saturos3091

Obama's policies aren't doing the country any good, and Romney is running on a different economic ideology. I don't really see how it can be said that his won't have any affect when the current President isn't being effective in the first place.

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I much prefer Romney. He's a businessman and I think he's got the brains and talent to fix a struggling economy. Perry just doesnt have the skillset.

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#67 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="vfibsux"]Herman Cain is the only non-politician in the running, he is who I am leaning for. I wish there were a good moderate libertarian, Ron Paul is just a nut. I will have to settle for Cain, even though I don't like the social conservative crap.vfibsux
Cain is genuinely out of his mind. He think Planned Parenthood is a genocidal organization designed to lower the black population, that Sharia law is sneaking into the USA, and that's some of the LEAST crazy **** that comes out of his mouth. I don't mean he's nutty, I mena he is NUTS.

Listene to him many a day on talk radio, you have links for this stuff? I don't recall hearing anything like it, not in those drastic terms anyway.

Check out CNN, or Politifact, there are video clips of TV interviews. The Sharia thing was actually in an interview with Amanpour.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Chester, you dont mind if i call you Chester do you Chester? any way, i almost thought you were going to be a no show for the week, been protesting? or is school getting in the way of the important things in life, like my entertainment?

surrealnumber5

I have also wondered where you've been.

airshocker

Good to see people miss me. :P

Senior year of college started up. Lots of work what with writing my BA, TA work, and job apps/grad school apps. Free time I have is generally spent doing stuff with friends, watching anime, or gaming.

And surreal I got no real problem with you calling me chester...

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So it seems that Perry is beginning to decline. According to some polls, he no longer the frontrunner.

How do you feel about this?GreySeal9

Nothing would please me more with the upcoming election than for him to fail miserable and embarrassingly...

Signed,
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most of the repubs are just talking heads for the corporations. its painful to watch then with their sny grin and listen to the lies coming out of them. they dont seem genuine at all and its easy to tell. not to mention they all represent the status quo and would continue obama's legacy (discluding taxes and healthcare)
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Good riddance.surrealnumber5

Chester, you dont mind if i call you Chester do you Chester? any way, i almost thought you were going to be a no show for the week, been protesting? or is school getting in the way of the important things in life, like my entertainment?

Oh and if you're referencing those Wall Street protests I think they're ****ing stupid. :P
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Well, we're probably going to find out, and be here to discuss it as the process occurs, so I guess it's "wait and see". I for one think that betting against the paranoia of people when it comes to "one nation under their idea of god", and the genuine nuttiness that is mormonism is a losing bet. Still, we'll see. LJS9502_basic
Wait and see what? There was opposition against a Catholic president but we had one in 1960. So religion was a departure before race. And race has been a departure before sex.

Wait and see what just happened today, after I started posting this stuff in what I take as a fit of coincidental irony. http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/pastor-calling-mormonism-a-cult-says-perry-welcomed-his-endorsement.php
Dr. Robert Jeffress, a Dallas pastor and leader of the Southern Baptist Convention introduced Rick Perry before a nearly full crowd at the Values Voter Summit in Washington Friday. He also gave Perry his formal endorsement. After Perry's speech, Jeffress expounded to reporters about his belief (and the formal position of the SBC) that Mormonism is "a cult."TPM
CNN is going ape**** over this right now... oh, and Romney is speaking there tomorrow, should be interesting. So, it begins.
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[QUOTE="vfibsux"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Cain is genuinely out of his mind. He think Planned Parenthood is a genocidal organization designed to lower the black population, that Sharia law is sneaking into the USA, and that's some of the LEAST crazy **** that comes out of his mouth. I don't mean he's nutty, I mena he is NUTS.Frame_Dragger
Listene to him many a day on talk radio, you have links for this stuff? I don't recall hearing anything like it, not in those drastic terms anyway.

Check out CNN, or Politifact, there are video clips of TV interviews. The Sharia thing was actually in an interview with Amanpour.

Burden of proof lies with the accuser sir;) But I will check around when I get the time.
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#74 DroidPhysX
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pRick Perry.

The guy who has raised taxes and doubled Texas debt. True fiscal conservative if I ever saw one.

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#75 coolbeans90
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Herman Cain is leading Romney?

GreySeal9

No, and regarding Mormonism: The evangelical wing is largely concentrated in the south - states which under no circumstances would go blue at this point in time. Swing states have independents, a group Romney polls well with. The amount of trouble Romney is given for his religious POVs, I think, will depend on how much press coverage it receives causing controversy, but I think that will largely be constricted to the primary. Could very well be wrong, though.

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Very VERY happy.

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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="vfibsux"] Listene to him many a day on talk radio, you have links for this stuff? I don't recall hearing anything like it, not in those drastic terms anyway.vfibsux
Check out CNN, or Politifact, there are video clips of TV interviews. The Sharia thing was actually in an interview with Amanpour.

Burden of proof lies with the accuser sir;) But I will check around when I get the time.

No, I agree with you... I'm actually a big fan of burden of proof, and I should have provided it. http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/herman-cain-reiterates-blacks-are-bra (chosen for video) Additional source relating to CNN http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2011/20111007054401.aspx [quote="Crooksandliars"] AMANPOUR: I want to ask you about something else that you've said. You've said -- and we're going to show a graphic -- that there's been a creeping attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government. And now listen to what Governor Chris Christie has said about the fear of Sharia law here in the United States. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CHRISTIE: This Sharia law business is crap. It's just crazy. And I'm tired of dealing with the crazies. (END VIDEO CLIP) AMANPOUR: So he's saying that those kinds of fears that you espouse and others are crazy. What do you say to that? CAIN: Call me crazy, but there are too many examples of where there has been pushback. AMANPOUR: You don't really mean this, though, do you, Mr. Cain? CAIN: Oh, yes, I do. AMANPOUR: Sharia law in the United States? CAIN: Some people would infuse Sharia law in our court system if we allow it. I honestly believe that. So even if he calls me crazy, I am going to make sure that they don't infuse it little by little by little. It's not going to be some grand scheme, little by little. So I don't mind if he calls me crazy. I'm simply saying... AMANPOUR: You're sticking to it? CAIN: I'm sticking to it. American laws in American courts, period. AMANPOUR: American laws are in American courts... CAIN: Yes. AMANPOUR: ... so the people of this country should be safe for the moment. CAIN: Exactly.

http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2011/20111007054401.aspx [quote="MRC"] Beyond the confines of a carefully managed campaign website, Cain was even more outspoken. He told the Washington Post that he considers "plausible" a theory that the abortion rights group, Planned Parenthood, was established to systematically lower the black population. "One of the motivations was killing black babies," he said, "because they didn't want to deal with the problems of illiteracy and poverty."

It's an interesting moment when you listen to a black guy essentially equate black people with the "problems of illiteracy and poverty". SO yeah... he's out of what little mind he has.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Herman Cain is leading Romney?

No, and regarding Mormonism: The evangelical wing is largely concentrated in the south - states which under no circumstances would go blue at this point in time. Swing states have independents, a group Romney polls well with. The amount of trouble Romney is given for his religious POVs, I think, will depend on how much press coverage it receives causing controversy, but I think that will largely be constricted to the primary. Could very well be wrong, though.

Gah, my bad, it's 20% Mitt The ****, 17% Cain The Insane. Who will win? I think we need an MMA match. :D
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I'm glad. Him having a real shot at the presidency is a terrifying notion. I hope some one more reasonable takes his place as the frontrunner.

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I'm quite relived that Perry is no longer the "Hot Shot" of the GOP, although he isn't out of the race entirely, he still has some supporters. I don't want Perry getting the nominee so I am happy about this. Also Palin has dropped out of the race so that makes me VERY happy! Still though there is no stop of GOP nominees it seems like and the current forerunner right now seems to be Romeny, who I don't care too much for either. One the one hand I like how he isn't extreame like the majority of the Republican candidates , but on the other hand Romney isn't really a good choice either IMO as he isn't going to change anything and he flip flops all the damn time.

I would still like to see Huntsmen get the nominee but he doesn't get much media attention so he goes unaware alot, but I think he would be the best choice. Recently though the GOP also has Caine making some strides aswell, but I don't care for him too much either. Also there is Ron Paul and while I think he has some good ideas, sometimes he goes too overboard with them, but alteast he's honest.

Overall though I am quite dissapointed in who are candidates are, wether they be Republican or Democrat, there doesn't really seem to be any good choice. And I don't like the current extreames that the GOP is moving towards and I think it will hurt them later...

And I'm saying all this a conservative, I'm independent and I'm not an extreame either.

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it was fun watching this guy dive into his downward spiral. his own state doesnt like him. he just wins every election because hes a republican and texas is 90% republican.

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Sad. He needs to keep going until someone does an SNL impression of him.

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He was nutty and anti science, can't say I'm sad to see him go.

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#84 Lach0121
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All of the candidates so far that have been anounced, are poor choices for president to be honest.

Rick Perry is a prime example.

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Sad. He needs to keep going until someone does an SNL impression of him.

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First episode of the new season has, I want to say, Alec Baldwin doing an impression of him.

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I feel that every presidential candidate is a complete joke and Obama will win by default.

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I feel that every presidential candidate is a complete joke and Obama will win by default.

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Unlikely. I haven't seen a recent poll that shows any indication of a significant edge.
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Sad. He needs to keep going until someone does an SNL impression of him.

Lach0121

First episode of the new season has, I want to say, Alec Baldwin doing an impression of him.

Must've missed it. Now I'll have to find it. :P
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I wish I could be Michelle Bachman's campaign manager. I could totally get the woman elected. She has the strong fiscally conservative views that will appeal to the Tea Party and she is also a social conservative.She has a solid voting record, and she seems intelligent. It's a shame that nobody is talking about her. I feel like if she were to say something besides "REPEAL OBAMACARE" and "I have 20-whatever kids" then people would begin to take notice. I'm going to laugh when she wins the Iowa caucus though where she won the strawpole. Maybe then she will get some serious mainstream support. This business about electability just kills me too. She could beat Obama if she did it right.

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I wish I could be Michelle Bachman's campaign manager. I could totally get the woman elected. She has the strong fiscally conservative views that will appeal to the Tea Party and she is also a social conservative.She has a solid voting record, and she seems intelligent. It's a shame that nobody is talking about her. I feel like if she were to say something besides "REPEAL OBAMACARE" and "I have 20-whatever kids" then people would begin to take notice. I'm going to laugh when she wins the Iowa caucus though where she won the strawpole. Maybe then she will get some serious mainstream support. This business about electability just kills me too. She could beat Obama if she did it right.

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Bachmann wants tight regulation of a citizens private life. That's strike 1,2 and 3.

"She seems intelligent"? :lol:

Where did you get that notion from?

Also, Huckabee won the Iowa Caucus in '08 and....

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#91 chessmaster1989
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I wish I could be Michelle Bachman's campaign manager. I could totally get the woman elected. She has thestrong fiscally conservative views that will appeal to the Tea Party and she is also a social conservative.She has a solid voting record, and she seems intelligent. It's a shame that nobody is talking about her. I feel like if she were to say something besides "REPEAL OBAMACARE" and "I have 20-whatever kids" then people would begin to take notice. I'm going to laugh when she wins the Iowa caucus though where she won the strawpole. Maybe then she will get some serious mainstream support. This business about electability just kills me too. She could beat Obama if she did it right.

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#92 Frame_Dragger
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I wish I could be Michelle Bachman's campaign manager. I could totally get the woman elected. She has the strong fiscally conservative views that will appeal to the Tea Party and she is also a social conservative.She has a solid voting record, and she seems intelligent. It's a shame that nobody is talking about her. I feel like if she were to say something besides "REPEAL OBAMACARE" and "I have 20-whatever kids" then people would begin to take notice. I'm going to laugh when she wins the Iowa caucus though where she won the strawpole. Maybe then she will get some serious mainstream support. This business about electability just kills me too. She could beat Obama if she did it right.

Bachmann wants tight regulation of a citizens private life. That's strike 1,2 and 3.

"She seems intelligent"? :lol:

Where did you get that notion from?

Also, Huckabee won the Iowa Caucus in '08 and....

In the strict sense she's intelligent; the real question is she more intelligent than things like squirrels and Nancy Grace? Is she even sentient, and if not... can we use her for zoo-meat?
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I wish I could be Michelle Bachman's campaign manager. I could totally get the woman elected. She has the strong fiscally conservative views that will appeal to the Tea Party and she is also a social conservative.She has a solid voting record, and she seems intelligent. It's a shame that nobody is talking about her. I feel like if she were to say something besides "REPEAL OBAMACARE" and "I have 20-whatever kids" then people would begin to take notice. I'm going to laugh when she wins the Iowa caucus though where she won the strawpole. Maybe then she will get some serious mainstream support. This business about electability just kills me too. She could beat Obama if she did it right.

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She couldn't beat him earlier when it came to issues with actual substance, no way she can beat him in something as superficial as a campaign.