How do you feel about UFOs?

Aliens exist, but we will never meet them because they are too far away.

tocklestein2005

Other stars are too far away for us to reach with our current technology, but it's arrogant to assume that the distance is too far for another intelligent species to traverse.

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Aliens exist, but we will never meet them because they are too far away.

hartsickdiscipl

Other stars are too far away for us to reach with our current technology, but it's arrogant to assume that the distance is too far for another intelligent species to traverse.

[QUOTE="tocklestein2005"]

Aliens exist, but we will never meet them because they are too far away.

hartsickdiscipl

Other stars are too far away for us to reach with our current technology, but it's arrogant to assume that the distance is too far for another intelligent species to traverse.

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[QUOTE="tocklestein2005"]

Aliens exist, but we will never meet them because they are too far away.

MrGeezer

Other stars are too far away for us to reach with our current technology, but it's arrogant to assume that the distance is too far for another intelligent species to traverse.

In Stephen Hawking's special about aliens he suggested the possibility that there could be alien species that are so advanced that they're only limited by how much energy they can attain.

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[QUOTE="tocklestein2005"]

Aliens exist, but we will never meet them because they are too far away.

MrGeezer

Other stars are too far away for us to reach with our current technology, but it's arrogant to assume that the distance is too far for another intelligent species to traverse.

Are you suggesting that our species currently has a good understand of all the elements at work in our physical universe?

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Other stars are too far away for us to reach with our current technology, but it's arrogant to assume that the distance is too far for another intelligent species to traverse.

bgalin

In Stephen Hawking's special about aliens he suggested the possibility that there could be alien species that are so advanced that they're only limited by how much energy they can attain.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Other stars are too far away for us to reach with our current technology, but it's arrogant to assume that the distance is too far for another intelligent species to traverse.

hartsickdiscipl

Are you suggesting that our species currently has a good understand of all the elements at work in our physical universe?

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[QUOTE="tocklestein2005"]

Aliens exist, but we will never meet them because they are too far away.

xaos

Other stars are too far away for us to reach with our current technology, but it's arrogant to assume that the distance is too far for another intelligent species to traverse.

Despite what you seem to believe judging from numerous posts, Occam's razor is not infallible. It also depends largely on people's judgment, which will often lead us to completely different conclusions given the same data.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Other stars are too far away for us to reach with our current technology, but it's arrogant to assume that the distance is too far for another intelligent species to traverse.

hartsickdiscipl

Despite what you seem to believe judging from numerous posts, Occam's razor is not infallible. It also depends largely on people's judgment, which will often lead us to completely different conclusions given the same data.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Are you proposing magical technology which allows the aliens to break physics?

xaos

Are you suggesting that our species currently has a good understand of all the elements at work in our physical universe?

Absolutely not. But I think it's much more ridiculous to stick to our current, limited understanding of physics while denying many unexplainable UFO phenomenon that have hundreds if not thousands of witnesses. The more we learn, the less we really know. Each "fact" that we think we establish should teach us how little we really understand.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Are you proposing magical technology which allows the aliens to break physics?

xaos

In Stephen Hawking's special about aliens he suggested the possibility that there could be alien species that are so advanced that they're only limited by how much energy they can attain.

That's a good point and I suppose I should have elaborated. He did talk quite a bit about the use of worm holes to travel great distances quickly though, and how they could potentially power them using stars. I'm not sure if those are a possibility or not though.

I feel that I'm getting tired of people misusing the term "UFO" to mean alien spacecraft.StopThePresses

I think the idea behind the current popular use of the term "UFO" is that we are able to identify anything in our skies that is native to our planet. Obviously, this isn't always true.. and untrained observers sometimes see what they want to see. However, I tend to think that we as a species have at least a decent grasp on what we have put in the air, and what naturally flies within our atmosphere. Anything else logically would have to be extraterrestrial.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Are you suggesting that our species currently has a good understand of all the elements at work in our physical universe?

hartsickdiscipl

Absolutely not. But I think it's much more ridiculous to stick to our current, limited understanding of physics while denying many unexplainable UFO phenomenon that have hundreds if not thousands of witnesses. The more we learn, the less we really know. Each "fact" that we think we establish should teach us how little we really understand.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]I feel that I'm getting tired of people misusing the term "UFO" to mean alien spacecraft.hartsickdiscipl

I think the idea behind the current popular use of the term "UFO" is that we are able to identify anything in our skies that is native to our planet. Obviously, this isn't always true.. and untrained observers sometimes see what they want to see. However, I tend to think that we as a species have at least a decent grasp on what we have put in the air, and what naturally flies within our atmosphere. Anything else logically would have to be extraterrestrial.

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[QUOTE="xaos"] No it's not; it's simply an application of Occam's razorxaos

Despite what you seem to believe judging from numerous posts, Occam's razor is not infallible. It also depends largely on people's judgment, which will often lead us to completely different conclusions given the same data.

I don't understand why so many people think that the events surrounding UFO reports are so extraordinary that they're hard to believe. Once you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable (or extraordinary in some people's view), must be the truth. Many conventional explanations for UFO sightings/Alien abductions are impossible. Therefore the most likely conclusion is that the people making the report are telling the truth. I find it much more scientific to believe in the logical implications of an unprecedented event than to try to categorize all such events as something that they clearly are not.

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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]I feel that I'm getting tired of people misusing the term "UFO" to mean alien spacecraft.StopThePresses

I think the idea behind the current popular use of the term "UFO" is that we are able to identify anything in our skies that is native to our planet. Obviously, this isn't always true.. and untrained observers sometimes see what they want to see. However, I tend to think that we as a species have at least a decent grasp on what we have put in the air, and what naturally flies within our atmosphere. Anything else logically would have to be extraterrestrial.

The level of technology needed to accelerate a mile-wide object from zero to out-of-sight of a commercial airline pilot within a second or 2 would be in use if we had it. Things like that would be of tremendous use to both the military and the private sector. If we had developed such a thing on our own, it wouldn't sit on the sidelines.

I don't understand why so many people think that the events surrounding UFO reports are so extraordinary that they're hard to believe. Once you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable (or extraordinary in some people's view), must be the truth. Many conventional explanations for UFO sightings/Alien abductions are impossible. Therefore the most likely conclusion is that the people making the report are telling the truth. I find it much more scientific to believe in the logical implications of an unprecendented event than to try to categorize all such events as something that they clearly are not.

hartsickdiscipl

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I don't understand why so many people think that the events surrounding UFO reports are so extraordinary that they're hard to believe. Once you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable (or extraordinary in some people's view), must be the truth. Many conventional explanations for UFO sightings/Alien abductions are impossible. Therefore the most likely conclusion is that the people making the report are telling the truth. I find it much more scientific to believe in the logical implications of an unprecendented event than to try to categorize all such events as something that they clearly are not.

xaos

Now you want me to give examples of things that are publicly available on the internet? I'm not going to do the work for you. All it takes is watching a few episodes of UFO hunters, UFO files, etc.. to get a half-dozen examples of such events. Gordon Cooper, a former Apollo astronaut came out and said that he has seen Alien craft in space, as well as chased them with a jet fighter within our atmosphere. Numerous commerical and military pilots have given accounts of craft over a mile wide nearly intersecting the flight path of their planes. The evidence is there, but if you go in with the idea that credible people are lying or delusional, you'll find a way not to believe.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think the idea behind the current popular use of the term "UFO" is that we are able to identify anything in our skies that is native to our planet. Obviously, this isn't always true.. and untrained observers sometimes see what they want to see. However, I tend to think that we as a species have at least a decent grasp on what we have put in the air, and what naturally flies within our atmosphere. Anything else logically would have to be extraterrestrial.

hartsickdiscipl

The level of technology needed to accelerate a mile-wide object from zero to out-of-sight of a commercial airline pilot within a second or 2 would be in use if we had it. Things like that would be of tremendous use to both the military and the private sector. If we had developed such a thing on our own, it wouldn't sit on the sidelines.

[QUOTE="xaos"]Can you give some examples of specific instances where you feel like extraterrestrials are the most parsimonious explanation?hartsickdiscipl

Now you want me to give examples of things that are publicly available on the internet? I'm not going to do the work for you.

I think they're all BP's fault.Engrish_Major

i thought it was that commie obama's fault

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"][QUOTE="xaos"]Can you give some examples of specific instances where you feel like extraterrestrials are the most parsimonious explanation?xaos

Now you want me to give examples of things that are publicly available on the internet? I'm not going to do the work for you.

I've already done the work for myself and come to my own conclusion. I take the fact that you have come to a different conclusion as evidence that you haven't sought out the same information. This is not something that's going to be handed to you, you have to go get it.

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[QUOTE="StopThePresses"] Many UFO's have historically been government experiments. Someone knows what they are. That doesn't mean everyone does.StopThePresses

The level of technology needed to accelerate a mile-wide object from zero to out-of-sight of a commercial airline pilot within a second or 2 would be in use if we had it. Things like that would be of tremendous use to both the military and the private sector. If we had developed such a thing on our own, it wouldn't sit on the sidelines.

So now you're saying that you can identify such an object? Please, let me and the pilots who saw these things in on the secret.

In 1979 they filmed a UFO and tracked it on military radar. That is pretty convincing. It was off New Zealand coast.

I think they are tasty.

I think that logically, if aliens were able to build a FTL travel system and travel the thousands (millions? billions?) of light years to reach us, there would be more evidence than grainy black and white photos and ambiguous Youtube videos.

I don't believe in them. If aliens are really visiting earth, I wonder what the **** they've been doing. They've done a pretty good job of never being caught.

Case in point, even if you for some reason or another you believe that green men are visiting this planet, you shouldn't worry, as they haven't done anything.

I think it's highly unlikely that aliens have ever visited Earth. For a civilization that advanced what significance would a "young" and "primitive"" civilization like us have to do to get their attention.

I believe the UFOs are most of the time fake, but based on archaeological samples of sculptures andhieroglyphs i assume they exist, probably not in the earth but across the galaxy maybe, besides i really don't think we are alone in the universe otherwise this is the lamest universe i've ever been.

Don't believe in them..

I think it's highly unlikely that aliens have ever visited Earth. For a civilization that advanced what significance would a "young" and "primitive"" civilization like us have to do to get their attention.

Rougehunter

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The level of technology needed to accelerate a mile-wide object from zero to out-of-sight of a commercial airline pilot within a second or 2 would be in use if we had it. Things like that would be of tremendous use to both the military and the private sector. If we had developed such a thing on our own, it wouldn't sit on the sidelines.

hartsickdiscipl

So now you're saying that you can identify such an object? Please, let me and the pilots who saw these things in on the secret.

I think that aliens and the like do exist, but that they've been to earth, I don't think so.

Well i have most definitely, and recently saw some UFO's.... which means Unidentified Flying Objects. I know there were not satellites, cause they dont move the way what I saw did, which also means it wasnt a shooting star or anything like that. So, yea, UFOS... I dunno what they are so who am i to say they are "alien craft"? xhellcatx

I have also seen UFOs on a couple of occasions that could not be identified as "sputnik" or any other satellite and I could not place as any type of air craft and I was rather spooked by a hovering light one night but it also was a fairly short distance from an Air Force Base which I later discovered ran flight tests from time to time.

maybe I saw an early version of one of the things that I later saw on a flight line in Kuwait ....

.......there are some things we will always have to wonder about because the answer just never comes.

also I do am sure there is intelligent life out there somewhere.

humanity is surely NOT the apex of existence - any really advanced civilization will avoid the barrio district of the universe.

there will not be any traffic here as long as we are on an unpaved road so to speak which is probably for the best as far as we are concerned.

my final thought on this matter:

The human race........was probably created as comic relief

Whether or not aliens/UFOs, or etc. have actually visited earth, you'd have to be one ignorant and naive person to believe that there isn't a possibility of other life in such a vast universe.

So long as it's a UFO with no ET involved, then I believe in UFOs.

I remember traveling along Nevada Highway 95 down south towards Las Vegas back in 1982. We saw something flying through the evening twilight sky very far away. We couldn't figure out what it was. It turned out later it was an F-117.

ET? I'll believe it when I see it.

I think all these ufo's people see are just advanced, experimental air craft that militaries are testing. Imo.

Same way as I feel about ghosts - skeptical. Shame really as I wouldn't mind having an alien around for dinner one evening.

That reminds of a TV prank in the UK back in the eightieshere where they tricked a lady in believing a UFO had crashed in her back garden. After singing to craft, an alien appeared and in a quintessential English manner she asked it if wanted a cup of tea. Ridiculous...