How does evolution disprove the existence of God?

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#1 Stranger_4
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I dont get this. If God exists then He created the laws of science and nature, so it's only logical to believe that He would have them applied from the beginning of the chain.

Am I missing something about evolution or what?

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my anthropology teacher stresses this soo much EVOLUTION DOSN'T ATTEMPT TO DISPROVE GOD

EDIT : but what it does do is show that life on earth is not very divine, its actually very random, mutations happen in species and they change, some mutations are negitive ( this isn't divine or well planned like ppl say gods work is) i just took my anthro midterm today, i'm blown out right now so sorrry thats all im gonna say

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#3 black_cat19
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It doesn't, and no one ever said it did (at least none who support it, go figure...).
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#4 Red-XIII
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Because Fundamentalist Christians take every. single. word. in the Bible literally. Genesis says that God created the world in seven days, ergo it's true. They also believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old. The Bible doesn't actually state this, but apparently there's a method of tracing the lineage of bloodlines in the Bible by some obscure method that no one has been able to prove to me thus far... So in short, Evolution does not fit in with their Young Earth model and hence is false. No if's. No buts. End of story.
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#5 foxhound_fox
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It doesn't. Where did you get that silly idea from?
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It contradicts God made Adam and Eve.
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#7 foxhound_fox
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my anthropology teacher stresses this soo much EVOLUTION DOSN'T ATTEMPT TO DISPROVE GOD

EDIT : but what it does do is show that life on earth is not very divine, its actually very random, mutations happen in species and they change, some mutations are negitive ( this isn't divine or well planned like ppl say gods work is) i just took my anthro midterm today, i'm blown out right now so sorrry thats all im gonna say

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Natural selection is the exact opposite of "random."
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#8 links136
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it doesn't, its just that every religous fundamentalist thinks that due to their narrow minded ways
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#9 PlasmaBeam44
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It doesn't and it wasn't meant to. It's to explain the world around us with thought, reason, and research instead of just saying "some invisble man in the sky did it".
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it disproves the claim that humanity was made in god's image... if we have evolved or are evolving, then obvious the claim comes under fire
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#11 PBSnipes
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It doesn't. All it does is prove that, surprisingly enough, a book from 2000-odd years ago did not have a particularly good grasp of the sciences.

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#12 nimatoad2000
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]

my anthropology teacher stresses this soo much EVOLUTION DOSN'T ATTEMPT TO DISPROVE GOD

EDIT : but what it does do is show that life on earth is not very divine, its actually very random, mutations happen in species and they change, some mutations are negitive ( this isn't divine or well planned like ppl say gods work is) i just took my anthro midterm today, i'm blown out right now so sorrry thats all im gonna say


Natural selection is the exact opposite of "random."

mutations are random, mutations that are bad die off , but RANDOM mutations that are good bring higher net reproductive sucess, thus natural selection chooses the mutations that bring positive results. but as i said, mutations in the first place are random, and mutations are the way change happens. ALSO : at the time darwin release " on the origin of species" the church was horribly upset because not only did evolution say that their was no adam and eve, that we came from primates, theirs also that the bible says that god created animals and then humans.. well evolution said that their are extinct animals and species derive from ancestor species... yeah.. not very " divine"
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Because God could not possibly allow a creature as grotesque as the duck-billed platypus to enter existence.
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It doesn't try to and doesn't need to. His supposed holy books disprove themselves.
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#15 PBSnipes
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it disproves the claim that humanity was made in god's image... if we have evolved or are evolving, then obvious the claim comes under fireAncientNecro
What if god is a single-celled organism? :o
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It doesn't. Generally it is considered to disprove the story of Genesis, although some people will shoehorn evolution into their beliefs and say that Genesis is not meant to be taken literally.
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oh jeebus again
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#18 gobo212
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I'll believe evolution when it become more than a "theory" (AKA a guess).
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I'll believe evolution when it become more than a "theory" (AKA a guess).gobo212

Out of curiosity, do you believe that atoms exist?

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I'll believe evolution when it become more than a "theory" (AKA a guess).gobo212

The Theory of Evolution isn't a guess. You fail.

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#21 SpaceMoose
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I'll believe evolution when it become more than a "theory" (AKA a guess).gobo212
If a "theory" in science is a guess, would you care to tell me what a "hypothesis" is?
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[QUOTE="gobo212"]I'll believe evolution when it become more than a "theory" (AKA a guess).GabuEx

Out of curiosity, do you believe that atoms exist?

As long as atoms have free will. (Oh man, nobody is really going to get why I said that. :P )
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Sorry guys I was just pulling your chains. Worked like a charm.
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#24 foxhound_fox
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I'll believe evolution when it become more than a "theory" (AKA a guess).gobo212

The Webster's English Dictionary definition of "theory" is not the kind of "theory" used in science. A theory is a particular explanation of a set or either directly observable and/or mathematically demonstrable facts that are very real. The word in science that is synonymous to "guess" is hypothesis. An idea formed by a scientist who must do research and experiments to find facts to support that guess. If he finds them, it becomes a working theory that must be peer-reviewed by other scientists who then try to re-create his conditions before it is published to the whole scientific community. If he can't find them, he throws it out and starts with a new idea.

A theory in science is a "fact." As much a fact as can be explained by the current evidence that has been discovered to support it. If you spent some time educating yourself about evolution, there would be no need to "believe" in it, since you would realize it is true.

Sorry guys I was just pulling your chains. Worked like a charm.gobo212

Quite. Nicely played. Still, its good to have the explanations here for those who actually share those views.
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#25 gobo212
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Quite. Nicely played. Still, its good to have the explanations here for those who actually share those views.foxhound_fox
True. I stated in the recent thread about evolution that the most laughable argument against evolution is that it is "just a theory." I was just seeing if any would pick up on that.
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#26 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Quite. Nicely played. Still, its good to have the explanations here for those who actually share those views.gobo212
True. I stated in the recent thread about evolution that the most laughable argument against evolution is that it is "just a theory." I was just seeing if any would pick up on that.

Bah, Poe's Law always succeeds. :P

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[QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Quite. Nicely played. Still, its good to have the explanations here for those who actually share those views.GabuEx

True. I stated in the recent thread about evolution that the most laughable argument against evolution is that it is "just a theory." I was just seeing if any would pick up on that.

Bah, Poe's Law always succeeds. :P

It's true. The ridiculousness of some of these arguments is astounding.
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#29 foxhound_fox
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A guess in scientific terms is a hypothesis. Theory is more than that. It is an idea that can be backed up with evidence. Just not to the most absolute degree as with a law.ThePlothole

That's four gobo.
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[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]A guess in scientific terms is a hypothesis. Theory is more than that. It is an idea that can be backed up with evidence. Just not to the most absolute degree as with a law.foxhound_fox

That's four gobo.

I don't care if it was a joke. I despise anyone who misuses the terms.

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#31 gobo212
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="ThePlothole"]A guess in scientific terms is a hypothesis. Theory is more than that. It is an idea that can be backed up with evidence. Just not to the most absolute degree as with a law.ThePlothole

That's four gobo.

I don't care if it was a joke. I despise anyone who misuses the terms.

Well thankfully I have taken a science class/read a textbook in my lifetime so I know what the terms mean.
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I don't care if it was a joke. I despise anyone who misuses the terms.ThePlothole

Given my falling for the joke and subsequent response, I definitely think I despise it more. :P
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It doesn't, its just too often in the ages here on OT that a person is science extreme or religion extreme and they have trouble seeing a middle ground, I always tell people: who says god didn't give the spark for evolution?
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Anyways.... I'm religious (Jewish), but I don't believe in a literal interpretation of biblical event. I basically see them as stories designed to convey a message. And I do recognize Evolution.

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#35 Stranger_4
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It doesn't. All it does is prove that, surprisingly enough, a book from 2000-odd years ago did not have a particularly good grasp of the sciences.

PBSnipes
Quran actually did. Nothing in it contradicts science..
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It doesn't, but in Genesis in the Bible, it states that every creature was made in its present state (I think, sorry if I'm wrong >__>)
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#37 foxhound_fox
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Quran actually did. Nothing in it contradicts science..Stranger_4

False. There are plenty of claims in the Quran that are contradicted by science. The Quran contains the Old Testament.
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[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Quran actually did. Nothing in it contradicts science..foxhound_fox

False. There are plenty of claims in the Quran that are contradicted by science. The Quran contains the Old Testament.

Like?
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Quran actually did. Nothing in it contradicts science..Stranger_4

According to modern interpretations, yes, interpretations which are updated every time new information comes out that must be "found" to have been prophesized in the Qur'an. The fact that the Qur'an has never once been used to predict scientific discoveries before they are actually made makes the idea rather questionable that these things are in fact actually found in the book.

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Like?Stranger_4

Basically the entirety of the Old Testament.
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Evolution doesn't attempt to disprove God. Its just shows how we came to exist, and how life on this planet has developed.
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#42 domatron23
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Evolution is mutually exclusive to ex-nihilo creation of species, not God. Mind you to some people the Bible=God so if Genesis or some other part is discredited then the whole thing is discredited. Oh and some people also use evolution as the driving force behind dysteleological arguments which attempt to show that there is no God.
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#43 domatron23
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Oh cool Stranger_4 is one of those rare Islamic fundamentalists. I must admit that I know diddly squat about the Quran so can someone tell me what it has to say about the origin of species? I'm too lazy to research it myself.
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[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Quran actually did. Nothing in it contradicts science..GabuEx

According to modern interpretations, yes, interpretations which are updated every time new information comes out that must be "found" to have been prophesized in the Qur'an. The fact that the Qur'an has never once been used to predict scientific discoveries before they are actually made makes the idea rather questionable that these things are in fact actually found in the book.

What? Who told you that the interpretations are "updated". What are you talking about?:?

And again what are you talking about having being found? I mean the wordings of the quran have always been the same, like the quran said that mountains are like pegs and only later has it been discovered by science.

Some people will try to "force and just fit in" some quranic verses into science but who cares? Let them do that and as long as those verses arent contradicting, who cares!

And really if a man in the 7th century is writing that book all by himself then how on earth does he not go wrong at all?

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[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Like?foxhound_fox

Basically the entirety of the Old Testament.

What does the old testament have to do with quran?

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What? Who told you that the interpretations are "updated". What are you talking about?:?

And again what are you talking about having being found? I mean the wordings of the quran have always been the same, like the quran said that mountains are like pegs and only later has it been discovered by science.

Some people will try to "force and just fit in" some quranic verses into science but who cares? Let them do that and as long as those verses arent contradicting, who cares!

And really if a man in the 7th century is writing that book all by himself then how on earth does he not go wrong at all?

Stranger_4

"Like pegs." What does that even mean? Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth in the 3rd Century B.C. A good 1800 years before the West (and I am sure the Middle East and Islamic countries are included as well) even concluded the Earth was not flat.
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What does the old testament have to do with quran? Stranger_4

Um, the same books that are in the Torah and the Old Testament are in the Quran. The only difference between the Quran and the Bible is that after the Old Testament, it takes a different literary route.
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It contradicts God made Adam and Eve.KYLEseXY

If they can prove that humans evolved from another species, that is.
They have found similarities in both, but nothing in between (Fossils during the evolution etc.)
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[QUOTE="KYLEseXY"]It contradicts God made Adam and Eve.mastersword007

If they can prove that humans evolved from another species, that is.
They have found similarities in both, but nothing in between (Fossils during the evolution etc.)

What are you talking about? Countless "in between" fossils have been found.

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[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]What? Who told you that the interpretations are "updated". What are you talking about?:?

And again what are you talking about having being found? I mean the wordings of the quran have always been the same, like the quran said that mountains are like pegs and only later has it been discovered by science.

Some people will try to "force and just fit in" some quranic verses into science but who cares? Let them do that and as long as those verses arent contradicting, who cares!

And really if a man in the 7th century is writing that book all by himself then how on earth does he not go wrong at all?

foxhound_fox


"Like pegs." What does that even mean? Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth in the 3rd Century B.C. A good 1800 years before the West (and I am sure the Middle East and Islamic countries are included as well) even concluded the Earth was not flat.

What does that have to do with mountains??

Anyways,

http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-b.htm