How does evolution disprove the existence of God?

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

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"Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! but Allah will not fail in His promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning".

[Al-Qur'an 22:47]

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Lansdowne5

Exactly - "a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning".

It's not saying that one day = one thousand years. It is saying that in God's eyes time is irrelevant. And I'll think you'll find that another verse says the opposite. That a thousand years in the Lord's eyes is like a day of ours. Again, time is nothing to God. ;)

Why is that taken literally then? Heck why is that evern considered as apparantly time shouldnt matter?:|

And I dont know about such a verse saying the opposite, link?

[QUOTE="Thagypsy"]You know the whole garden of eden thing? According to that humans were made by god without evolution from apes. Might not make sense but I don't feel like writing a lot.Stranger_4

Evolution is just a THEORY and CREATION is yet to be proven. Funny, but you'd have to have FAITH to believe in either.VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]How come Christians automatically assume that 'god' created this universe? That whole 'god created the universe' argument is just as valid as let's say... this giant space flower created this universe. So how does this universe proves the existence of god? In my opinion, it only proves the existence of the universe, not the existence of a god.links136

and if they knew how big the universe actually is, they'd realize how rediculous for even a god to create that in six days.

Read the whole thread please!

[QUOTE="links136"]

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]How come Christians automatically assume that 'god' created this universe? That whole 'god created the universe' argument is just as valid as let's say... this giant space flower created this universe. So how does this universe proves the existence of god? In my opinion, it only proves the existence of the universe, not the existence of a god.Stranger_4

and if they knew how big the universe actually is, they'd realize how rediculous for even a god to create that in six days.

Read the whole thread please!

your gonna tell me to go read 200 posts? pass

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]Evolution is just a THEORY and CREATION is yet to be proven. Funny, but you'd have to have FAITH to believe in either.gobo212

[QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]Evolution is just a THEORY and CREATION is yet to be proven. Funny, but you'd have to have FAITH to believe in either.VideoGameGuy

evolution doesn't involve creating life

[QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]Evolution is just a THEORY and CREATION is yet to be proven. Funny, but you'd have to have FAITH to believe in either.VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"][QUOTE="gobo212"] Lol. you have no understanding of science. A scientific theory is as close to a fact as science gets. It has a massive amount of evidence. Does the theory of gravity require faith to think it is true?links136

evolution doesn't involve creating life

Because put simply it contradicts the bible. The "theory" of evolution is just that a theory..one that has many flaws. A theory that was designed to allow mankind to live a life void of aknowledgement of God.

Without going to far into it like i have done before, sick of these arguments, the world, universe is way, way, way too complicated to of happened by mere chance. Scientist know this yet will not admit to.

Aft3rsh0ck89

No offense, but the fact that you seem to be saying that the theory of evolution posits on the existence of the universe kind of tells me that you don't really know what the theory of evolution actually says... because it, well, doesn't. At all. That's the business of cosmology.

yeah misspoke there, i mean the theory that we all evolved from primitive forms of life. VideoGameGuy

We have:

- An expansive fossil record with hundreds of the transitional fossils people keep asking for.

- In-depth knowledge of DNA and similarities thereof between different animals, thus accounting for how genetic mutations can happen.

- The observation of nylon-eating bacteria, the existence of which would be impossible without evolution.

- The knowledge through examining layers of the Earth that life on the planet became more diverse as time progressed.

What more, exactly, would you like? The evidence in favor of evolution is rock-solid. The statement of "there is no evidence" does not become more true the more times it's asserted.

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]yeah misspoke there, i mean the theory that we all evolved from primitive forms of life. GabuEx

We have:

- An expansive fossil record with hundreds of the transitional fossils people keep asking for.

- In-depth knowledge of DNA and similarities thereof between different animals, thus accounting for how genetic mutations can happen.

- The observation of nylon-eating bacteria, the existence of which would be impossible without evolution.

- The knowledge through examining layers of the Earth that life on the planet became more diverse as time progressed.

What more, exactly, would you like? The evidence in favor of evolution is rock-solid. The statement of "there is no evidence" does not become more true the more times it's asserted.

How does DNA change gradually over time? I am an evolutionist but that is just something I can't grasp. Shouldn't a parent always give birth to somethign with exactly the same type of DNA as themselves. And does that DNA change over time?BumFluff122

How does DNA change gradually over time? I am an evolutionist but that is just something I can't grasp. Shouldn't a parent always give birth to somethign with exactly the same type of DNA as themselves. And does that DNA change over time?BumFluff122

Theoretically, yes. But, sometimes copies can be imperfect. Down syndrome is a good example of that - although it isn't a beneficial genetic abnormality, and as such, is not something that is propagated and which becomes dominant as a result.

And no, DNA does not change over time. The point in time at which mutations occur is during development prior to birth.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How does DNA change gradually over time? I am an evolutionist but that is just something I can't grasp. Shouldn't a parent always give birth to somethign with exactly the same type of DNA as themselves. And does that DNA change over time?foxhound_fox

But there must be a few strands of DNA that don't mutate. Those being the ones that make us human. I don't think evolution could occur on an entire society as a result of one mutation of one individual being spread amongst it's children. BumFluff122

If a mutation makes an animal better able to survive and produce offspring than animals without that mutation, then eventually natural selection dictates that that mutation will become dominant in that environment, as animals with it are better able to contribute to the gene pool than those without it. Evolution does not say that some animal with a mutated DNA sequence will somehow pass that mutation on to other animals in the same generation. It is only after many generations that the mutation will eventually become dominant.

But there must be a few strands of DNA that don't mutate. Those being the ones that make us human. I don't think evolution could occur on an entire society as a result of one mutation of one individual being spread amongst it's children. BumFluff122

If a mutation makes an animal better able to survive and produce offspring than animals without that mutation, then eventually natural selection dictates that that mutation will become dominant in that environment, as animals with it are better able to contribute to the gene pool than those without it. Evolution does not say that some animal with a mutated DNA sequence will somehow pass that mutation on to other animals in the same generation. It is only after many generations that the mutation will eventually become dominant.

GabuEx

How would a particular mutation today spread over the entirety of the Earth? It would be very hard and most likely wouldn't occur then. I've read various books on this and I've even read Darwin's books on natural and sexual selection. I just can't grasp how humans would evolve into something other than modern humans on such a massive scale. What do you think would occur if there was a small group of people who;s malformed genes began spreading throughout a community?BumFluff122

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How would a particular mutation today spread over the entirety of the Earth? It would be very hard and most likely wouldn't occur then. I've read various books on this and I've even read Darwin's books on natural and sexual selection. I just can't grasp how humans would evolve into something other than modern humans on such a massive scale. What do you think would occur if there was a small group of people who;s malformed genes began spreading throughout a community?foxhound_fox

How would a particular mutation today spread over the entirety of the Earth? It would be very hard and most likely wouldn't occur then. I've read various books on this and I've even read Darwin's books on natural and sexual selection. I just can't grasp how humans would evolve into something other than modern humans on such a massive scale. What do you think would occur if there was a small group of people who;s malformed genes began spreading throughout a community?BumFluff122

Why, exactly, would a particular mutation need to spread over the entirety of the Earth? Evolution never suggests that it would. Indeed, two animals in different environments may very well evolve in entirely different ways, because different environments affect what qualities increase or decrease an animal's chance at survival. The difference in skin tone in humans as you go further north is a pretty good example of that - skin with a lot of melanin in it decreases a human's risk of skin cancer, but at the same time, increases a human's risk of being vitamin D deficient. In a place near the equator, skin cancer is much more likely to be problematic, whereas in a place far from the equator, not so much.

Sickle-cell anemia is another good example of this. A human with full-on sickle-cell anemia has a drastically lessened life expectancy, so normally one would expect people with it to die out. However, those who are carriers of the sickle-cell genes, but do not have the disease itself, have a much higher resistence to malaria, so in regions of the world where malaria is a strong cause of death, the gene for sickle-cell anemia can actually be beneficial. However, in regions not susceptible to malaria, this is not the case.

I'll make an example. Dark skinned ancient humans moved northward from Africa into Europe. They could no longer take in all the sunlight they needed to produce an adequate amount of vitamin D in their system to avoid rickets. Therefor their skin began to change colour to allow a greater intake of sunlight and therefor more production of vitamin D to remain healthy. I am aware that this may not be the only reason why dark skin tranformed to light skin in these early hominids but if it did how did it occur? And why would it propogate through the population of these early dark skinned hominids?BumFluff122

It propagated through the population (over a very long period of time, mind you) because those with the genetic abnormality of lighter skin had a larger life expectancy, and as such, more children were born with this mutation than without. Thus, over many generations, lighter-skinned humans became more prevalent because their genetic material enabled them to better produce offspring, and thus evolution occurred.

Evolution is just a THEORY and CREATION is yet to be proven. Funny, but you'd have to have FAITH to believe in either.VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I'll make an example. Dark skinned ancient humans moved northward from Africa into Europe. They could no longer take in all the sunlight they needed to produce an adequate amount of vitamin D in their system to avoid rickets. Therefor their skin began to change colour to allow a greater intake of sunlight and therefor more production of vitamin D to remain healthy. I am aware that this may not be the only reason why dark skin tranformed to light skin in these early hominids but if it did how did it occur? And why would it propogate through the population of these early dark skinned hominids?GabuEx

It propagated through the population (over a very long period of time, mind you) because those with the genetic abnormality of lighter skin had a larger life expectancy, and as such, more children were born with this mutation than without. Thus, over many generations, lighter-skinned humans became more prevalent because their genetic material enabled them to better produce offspring, and thus evolution occurred.

Why that didn't occur to me I'll never know. It's almost 3:00 in the morning here. Maybe that's why.BumFluff122

No worries. If you believe that something is true, it's generally a good idea to actually understand how it works, so I'm happy to explain. ;)

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Why that didn't occur to me I'll never know. It's almost 3:00 in the morning here. Maybe that's why.GabuEx

No worries. If you believe that something is true, it's generally a good idea to actually understand how it works, so I'm happy to explain. ;)

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How would a particular mutation today spread over the entirety of the Earth? It would be very hard and most likely wouldn't occur then. I've read various books on this and I've even read Darwin's books on natural and sexual selection. I just can't grasp how humans would evolve into something other than modern humans on such a massive scale. What do you think would occur if there was a small group of people who;s malformed genes began spreading throughout a community?GabuEx

Why, exactly, would a particular mutation need to spread over the entirety of the Earth? Evolution never suggests that it would. Indeed, two animals in different environments may very well evolve in entirely different ways, because different environments affect what qualities increase or decrease an animal's chance at survival. The difference in skin tone in humans as you go further north is a pretty good example of that - skin with a lot of melanin in it decreases a human's risk of skin cancer, but at the same time, increases a human's risk of being vitamin D deficient. In a place near the equator, skin cancer is much more likely to be problematic, whereas in a place far from the equator, not so much.

Sickle-cell anemia is another good example of this. A human with full-on sickle-cell anemia has a drastically lessened life expectancy, so normally one would expect people with it to die out. However, those who are carriers of the sickle-cell genes, but do not have the disease itself, have a much higher resistence to malaria, so in regions of the world where malaria is a strong cause of death, the gene for sickle-cell anemia can actually be beneficial. However, in regions not susceptible to malaria, this is not the case.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]What does the old testament have to do with quran? foxhound_fox

Doesn't mathematics disprove evolution? VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How would a particular mutation today spread over the entirety of the Earth? It would be very hard and most likely wouldn't occur then. I've read various books on this and I've even read Darwin's books on natural and sexual selection. I just can't grasp how humans would evolve into something other than modern humans on such a massive scale. What do you think would occur if there was a small group of people who;s malformed genes began spreading throughout a community?Fyrhtu

Why, exactly, would a particular mutation need to spread over the entirety of the Earth? Evolution never suggests that it would. Indeed, two animals in different environments may very well evolve in entirely different ways, because different environments affect what qualities increase or decrease an animal's chance at survival. The difference in skin tone in humans as you go further north is a pretty good example of that - skin with a lot of melanin in it decreases a human's risk of skin cancer, but at the same time, increases a human's risk of being vitamin D deficient. In a place near the equator, skin cancer is much more likely to be problematic, whereas in a place far from the equator, not so much.

Sickle-cell anemia is another good example of this. A human with full-on sickle-cell anemia has a drastically lessened life expectancy, so normally one would expect people with it to die out. However, those who are carriers of the sickle-cell genes, but do not have the disease itself, have a much higher resistence to malaria, so in regions of the world where malaria is a strong cause of death, the gene for sickle-cell anemia can actually be beneficial. However, in regions not susceptible to malaria, this is not the case.

1. Someone's been playing too much Pokemon. :x

2. Hee hee hee.

[QUOTE="Fyrhtu"]

Evolving can be very deceiving to certain people. Does it mean... a orgasm growing to a more mature form? or something entirely different?Funky_Llama

1. Someone's been playing too much Pokemon. :x

2. Hee hee hee.

Evolution is just a THEORY and CREATION is yet to be proven. Funny, but you'd have to have FAITH to believe in either.VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]Evolution is just a THEORY and CREATION is yet to be proven. Funny, but you'd have to have FAITH to believe in either.scorch-62

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]Evolution is just a THEORY and CREATION is yet to be proven. Funny, but you'd have to have FAITH to believe in either.scorch-62

Nothing can be 110% correct.

Also, scientific theories express credibility through the amount of evidence (read: facts) that supports it.

It doesn't. It does disprove creationism, however.MetroidPrimePwn

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]It doesn't. It does disprove creationism, however.MattUD1

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]It doesn't. It does disprove creationism, however.Lansdowne5

It's not evolution that disproves god, Its the fact that in all of mankind's scientific endeavours we have never EVER come across any single shred of evidence that lends any credence to the existence of some mystical sky wizard.

There is no heaven also because we've flown ALL the way out of the atmosphere and found nothing, the only thing below us is our planet, no hell.

The Christian mythos was thought up by a bunch of iron age goat herders, and I wouldn't trust a goat herder to comprehend the universe.

yeah misspoke there, i mean the theory that we all evolved from primitive forms of life. VideoGameGuy

We have:

- An expansive fossil record with hundreds of the transitional fossils people keep asking for.

- In-depth knowledge of DNA and similarities thereof between different animals, thus accounting for how genetic mutations can happen.

- The observation of nylon-eating bacteria, the existence of which would be impossible without evolution.

- The knowledge through examining layers of the Earth that life on the planet became more diverse as time progressed.

What more, exactly, would you like? The evidence in favor of evolution is rock-solid. The statement of "there is no evidence" does not become more true the more times it's asserted.