How does evolution disprove the existence of God?

Because its Religion vs Science, and all silly people believe in religion:roll:FirstDiscovery

I dont get this. If God exists then He created the laws of science and nature, so it's only logical to believe that He would have them applied from the beginning of the chain.

Am I missing something about evolution or what?

Stranger_4

Because evolution says that humans are the result of billions of years of evolution. Christians believe that 6000 years ago, God created the earth in seven days. Both of these cannot be right. And simply saying that God did everything is not an acceptable answer either.

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I dont get this. If God exists then He created the laws of science and nature, so it's only logical to believe that He would have them applied from the beginning of the chain.

Am I missing something about evolution or what?

Rocky32189

Because evolution says that humans are the result of billions of years of evolution. Christians believe that 6000 years ago, God created the earth in seven days. Both of these cannot be right. And simply saying that God did everything is not an acceptable answer either.

Not all Christians believe that by the way. I'm Christian myself, and do not believe the Earth is only 6000 years old. The Bible never makes such a claim.

I will disagree. That's not the purpose of science. The fact that it sometimes prove certain religious beliefs wrong is almost coincidental, not intentional. The problem lies on religion's unwillingness to evolve. In fact it hasn't even "considered" evolving unless there is too much pressure from the believers themselves who now tend to adhere to science as well.Teenaged

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."Galileo

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.Einstein

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I dont get this. If God exists then He created the laws of science and nature, so it's only logical to believe that He would have them applied from the beginning of the chain.

Am I missing something about evolution or what?

Rocky32189

Because evolution says that humans are the result of billions of years of evolution. Christians believe that 6000 years ago, God created the earth in seven days. Both of these cannot be right. And simply saying that God did everything is not an acceptable answer either.

Man should question, but never should man feel they have the keys to all the answers.

FirstDiscovery

It's just unfair to say that; in the same way it is unfair to say for instance that atheists are atheists because they hate god. Not that you said any of these things but people can easily draw the conclusions they want in order to use them against you. For instance someone could quote you and say: "So you admitt it. Science just hates religion and that's why it discovers what it discovers. Then science is not credible". Yeah it's a very stretched conclusion to make but nothing suprises me in GS anymore.

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]

Man should question, but never should man feel they have the keys to all the answers.

Teenaged

It's just unfair to say that; in the same way it is unfair to say for instance that atheists are atheists because they hate god. Not that you said any of these things but people can easily draw the conclusions they want in order to use them against you. For instance someone could quote you and say: "So you admitt it. Science just hates religion and that's why it discovers what it discovers. Then science is not credible". Yeah it's a very stretched conclusion to make but nothing suprises me in GS anymore.

All those who say the Bible doesn't grasp the sciences do not know of what they speak. In fact, without the Bible, many simply scientific theories we have now probably wouldn't have been discovered until 100-200 years later. Also we do not know if God made the world in literally 7 days...

God is that important that you need to capitalize "he" lol? Makes followers seem like that dont amount to much and are worth nothing compared to him lolzDr_Brocoli

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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]

Man should question, but never should man feel they have the keys to all the answers.

FirstDiscovery

It's just unfair to say that; in the same way it is unfair to say for instance that atheists are atheists because they hate god. Not that you said any of these things but people can easily draw the conclusions they want in order to use them against you. For instance someone could quote you and say: "So you admitt it. Science just hates religion and that's why it discovers what it discovers. Then science is not credible". Yeah it's a very stretched conclusion to make but nothing suprises me in GS anymore.

What conclusion?

God is that important that you need to capitalize "he" lol? Makes followers seem like that dont amount to much and are worth nothing compared to him lolzDr_Brocoli

to people who keep saying the bible isn't literal etc. I ask you then what point did all those gibberish have? it was clearly meant to be an explanation of the world. a failed explanation that any smart individual would reject. you have to let go of unskillful things and embrace skillful things. not continue to blind yourself with mysticism and imaginary problems.Great_Ragnarok

because many creationists think that god created everything how it is and we haven't changed at all.shoeman12

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]because many creationists think that god created everything how it is and we haven't changed at all.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="shoeman12"]because many creationists think that god created everything how it is and we haven't changed at all.shoeman12

anecdotal evidence is generally discredited.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

I dont get this. If God exists then He created the laws of science and nature, so it's only logical to believe that He would have them applied from the beginning of the chain.

Am I missing something about evolution or what?

Rocky32189

Because evolution says that humans are the result of billions of years of evolution. Christians believe that 6000 years ago, God created the earth in seven days. Both of these cannot be right. And simply saying that God did everything is not an acceptable answer either.

In response to the OP, it does not disprove a God, but it is a problem for believers in a personal God. Evolution forces us to shift our assesment of our importance even further down than Copernicus' theory of heliocentricity. It tells us that we are not inherently special, but the result of natural forces over a long period of time. There was nothing special about our creation, we are no more the end product of creation than any over living organism.

How has it been proved that humanity was not made from dirt?Stranger_4

Evolution is immoral Rigga911

[QUOTE="Rigga911"]Evolution is immoral Teenaged

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because genesis says god created man and then woman from a ribcage of man.

and evolution disproves this theory.

MattUD1

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]

Man should question, but never should man feel they have the keys to all the answers.

Teenaged

It's just unfair to say that; in the same way it is unfair to say for instance that atheists are atheists because they hate god. Not that you said any of these things but people can easily draw the conclusions they want in order to use them against you. For instance someone could quote you and say: "So you admitt it. Science just hates religion and that's why it discovers what it discovers. Then science is not credible". Yeah it's a very stretched conclusion to make but nothing suprises me in GS anymore.

In response to the OP, it does not disprove a God, but it is a problem for believers in a personal God. Evolution forces us to shift our assesment of our importance even further down than Copernicus' theory of heliocentricity. It tells us that we are not inherently special, but the result of natural forces over a long period of time. There was nothing special about our creation, we are no more the end product of creation than any over living organism.

_glatisant_

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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]

Man should question, but never should man feel they have the keys to all the answers.

Stranger_4

It's just unfair to say that; in the same way it is unfair to say for instance that atheists are atheists because they hate god. Not that you said any of these things but people can easily draw the conclusions they want in order to use them against you. For instance someone could quote you and say: "So you admitt it. Science just hates religion and that's why it discovers what it discovers. Then science is not credible". Yeah it's a very stretched conclusion to make but nothing suprises me in GS anymore.

And I could go on assuming that theists are insecure people and are desperate to salvage the last thing that keeps them sane. See it works both ways. But this last assumption of mine is as absurd and offensive as the one you made. Not that I thought you were credible thus far, but you are really not helping your case here.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]How has it been proved that humanity was not made from dirt?foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]How does it?

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]How has it been proved that humanity was not made from dirt?Stranger_4

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[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]How has it been proved that humanity was not made from dirt?Stranger_4

Okay, the "bible" says that "man" was created from "dirt" and given the "breath of God"

How could anyone believe such a fairy story? It's like the cop out arguments the church always puts out once it's been undermined

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Oh, trust me I have nothing for-religion to say at its current state. I am just saying that the reason science evolves is not to battle religion. That just happens to happen.

It's just unfair to say that; in the same way it is unfair to say for instance that atheists are atheists because they hate god. Not that you said any of these things but people can easily draw the conclusions they want in order to use them against you. For instance someone could quote you and say: "So you admitt it. Science just hates religion and that's why it discovers what it discovers. Then science is not credible". Yeah it's a very stretched conclusion to make but nothing suprises me in GS anymore.

Teenaged

And I could go on assuming that theists are insecure people and are desperate to salvage the last thing that keeps them sane. See it works both ways. But this last assumption of mine is as absurd and offensive as the one you made. Not that I thought you were credible thus far, but you are really not helping your case here.

Maybe desperate is a wrong word, I guess eager?

Doesnt change the "fact" that most of them are atheists and unquestionably biased towards things that lead to no-God. Maybe desperate is a wrong word, I guess eager?Stranger_4

it does'nt but its an acceptable alternaitive



You found a chest!!!!!!

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[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Most scientists are atheists. And I am damn sure many of them are desperate to try and disprove God to the whole world, I know the latter is a bit of an assumption but that's what I have noticed whenever watching a scientist talking in a documantary or somthing.

Stranger_4

And I could go on assuming that theists are insecure people and are desperate to salvage the last thing that keeps them sane. See it works both ways. But this last assumption of mine is as absurd and offensive as the one you made. Not that I thought you were credible thus far, but you are really not helping your case here.

Maybe desperate is a wrong word, I guess eager?

There are studies, evidence, continuous research, results and credibility. And most importantly: will to improve and being more accurate.

Now let's compare that to religious scripture shall we.

Credibility is not yet proven 100%

Religions do not accept new information, that is proven, easily. What does that mean? Oh yeah, that it's beliefs are not based on facts but faith.

Scripture is based on the sayings of people 2000 years ago, even older. Now lets compare the means of media then and now. Do you want to start counting? It would take forever to see those major differences.

it does'nt but its an acceptable alternaitive



You found a chest!!!!!!

kemar7856

Lets just say God created all elements.

Okay, the "bible" says that "man" was created from "dirt" and given the "breath of God"

How could anyone believe such a fairy story? It's like the cop out arguments the church always puts out once it's been undermined

T_P_O

And man is the only being who has the sense of existing and being there and questioning the very reason for being just there. No other specie was breathed God's spirit hence they dont have the sense of existing.

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The gigantic fossil record and all the evidence pointing towards genetic decent.

Teenaged

http://alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_4.html

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Okay, the "bible" says that "man" was created from "dirt" and given the "breath of God"

How could anyone believe such a fairy story? It's like the cop out arguments the church always puts out once it's been undermined

Stranger_4

And man is the only being who has the sense of existing and being there and questioning the very reason for being just there. No other specie was breathed God's spirit hence they dont have the sense of existing.

Ever been an animal to know?

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[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]And from what material are those things made from whom we apparantly desended?

Stranger_4

http://alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_4.html

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]A BIT OF AN ASSUMPTION?!?!?!?!? It is wishful thinking judging by the fact that in case it were true (unluckily for you it is not) then science would be discredited.

And I could go on assuming that theists are insecure people and are desperate to salvage the last thing that keeps them sane. See it works both ways. But this last assumption of mine is as absurd and offensive as the one you made. Not that I thought you were credible thus far, but you are really not helping your case here.

Teenaged

Maybe desperate is a wrong word, I guess eager?

There are studies, evidence, continuous research, results and credibility. And most importantly: will to improve and being more accurate.

Now let's compare that to religious scripture shall we.

Credibility is not yet proven 100%

Religions do not accept new information, that is proven, easily. What does that mean? Oh yeah, that it's beliefs are not based on facts but faith.

Scripture is based on the sayings of people 2000 years ago, even older. Now lets compare the means of media then and now. Do you want to start counting? It would take forever to see those major differences.

And quran is a 100% credible book as it's never been proven wrong.

But the will to prove God is certainly lacking, this is a major thing, I am not saying that scientists can go on make stories and get away with it, I know it doesnt work that way but you get my point.

And quran is a 100% credible book as it's never been proven wrong.

Stranger_4

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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Okay, the "bible" says that "man" was created from "dirt" and given the "breath of God"

How could anyone believe such a fairy story? It's like the cop out arguments the church always puts out once it's been undermined

Teenaged

And man is the only being who has the sense of existing and being there and questioning the very reason for being just there. No other specie was breathed God's spirit hence they dont have the sense of existing.

Ever been an animal to know?

No!

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Yes and man was made from clay.

And man is the only being who has the sense of existing and being there and questioning the very reason for being just there. No other specie was breathed God's spirit hence they dont have the sense of existing.

Stranger_4

Ever been an animal to know?

No!

Let me explain this to you. Scientists say we derive from apes, we are not made out of apes. ;)

Let's see the religious side. It says man is made out of clay.

I trust you will find the answer.

If I cut you will you spill an ape?No!Stranger_4

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Do you really expect an answer somewhat similar to "dirt" for this question? I will dissapoint you.

Teenaged

http://alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_4.html

It proves how clay has a role to play in making humans.

And I meant educate yourself "on the particular subject".