How does evolution disprove the existence of God?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Doesnt change the "fact" that most of them are atheists and unquestionably biased towards things that lead to no-God.

Maybe desperate is a wrong word, I guess eager?

Stranger_4

There are studies, evidence, continuous research, results and credibility. And most importantly: will to improve and being more accurate.

Now let's compare that to religious scripture shall we.

Credibility is not yet proven 100%

Religions do not accept new information, that is proven, easily. What does that mean? Oh yeah, that it's beliefs are not based on facts but faith.

Scripture is based on the sayings of people 2000 years ago, even older. Now lets compare the means of media then and now. Do you want to start counting? It would take forever to see those major differences.

And quran is a 100% credible book as it's never been proven wrong.

Yeah, no, the fact that the Qu'ran has not been proven wrong does not make it credible. Just because something has not been proven wrong, does not make it right.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Or maybe you need to educate yourself.:)

http://alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_4.html

Stranger_4

It proves how clay has a role to play in making humans.

And I meant educate yourself "on the particular subject".

And from what material are those things made from whom we apparantly desended?Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

But the will to prove God is certainly lacking, this is a major thing, I am not saying that scientists can go on make stories and get away with it, I know it doesnt work that way but you get my point.

And quran is a 100% credible book as it's never been proven wrong.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Okay, the "bible" says that "man" was created from "dirt" and given the "breath of God"

How could anyone believe such a fairy story? It's like the cop out arguments the church always puts out once it's been undermined

Stranger_4

And man is the only being who has the sense of existing and being there and questioning the very reason for being just there. No other specie was breathed God's spirit hence they dont have the sense of existing.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"] God literally created man from dirt and then a woman from his rib. Evolution does not say that is how man came to be. Literal interpretations of Genesis are shown to be not true with evolution.MattUD1

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

But the will to prove God is certainly lacking, this is a major thing, I am not saying that scientists can go on make stories and get away with it, I know it doesnt work that way but you get my point.

And quran is a 100% credible book as it's never been proven wrong.

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

But the will to prove God is certainly lacking, this is a major thing, I am not saying that scientists can go on make stories and get away with it, I know it doesnt work that way but you get my point.

And quran is a 100% credible book as it's never been proven wrong.

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]And from what material are those things made from whom we apparantly desended?foxhound_fox

Anyways read this. I would like to hear your response to that...

http://alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_4.html

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Yes and man was made from clay.

And man is the only being who has the sense of existing and being there and questioning the very reason for being just there. No other specie was breathed God's spirit hence they dont have the sense of existing.

Stranger_4

Ever been an animal to know?

No!

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Since I obviously need to be educated :roll: I'll leave it to other users here to answer you. Oh wait, do you think any of us is educated enough? :o Just so that we know and don't bother...

Teenaged

It proves how clay has a role to play in making humans.

And I meant educate yourself "on the particular subject".

I mean you are arguing and then not even reading what someone else provides you in favour of their argument.:|

Because Fundamentalist Christians take every. single. word. in the Bible literally. Genesis says that God created the world in seven days, ergo it's true. They also believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old. The Bible doesn't actually state this, but apparently there's a method of tracing the lineage of bloodlines in the Bible by some obscure method that no one has been able to prove to me thus far... So in short, Evolution does not fit in with their Young Earth model and hence is false. No if's. No buts. End of story.Red-XIII

I don'tcare how anybody tries to make this truthful in debate, there full it.

There is NO WAY that this planet is only 6000 years old.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]If I cut you will you spill clay?

Ever been an animal to know?

Funky_Llama

No!

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]And evolution does not prove that humans evolved from some other species...

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]If I cut you will you spill an ape?

No!

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Atleast bother reading that.:roll:

It proves how clay has a role to play in making humans.

And I meant educate yourself "on the particular subject".

Stranger_4

I mean you are arguing and then not even reading what someone else provides you in favour of their argument.:|

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Of course not, humans aren't made out of apes and no one has claimed that they are.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Ok... but where is the evidence that God created man from dirt?MattUD1

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Atleast bother reading that.:roll:

It proves how clay has a role to play in making humans.

And I meant educate yourself "on the particular subject".

Stranger_4

I mean you are arguing and then not even reading what someone else provides you in favour of their argument.:|

I am really not well versed in chemistry to debate furthur with you on this. However I can tell already that it's not a fact that man wasnt made from dirt, it's just based on assumptions so far.

Anyways read this. I would like to hear your response to that...

http://alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_4.html

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Undoubtedly that came from the way decay looked.

LJS9502_basic

I'm thinking that is it. Bodies disintegrate.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Shouldn't the theists be considered biased as well............?

Teenaged

But it's just boggles me how something can be proven to be a billion years old, I mean billion, but I am not educated in science so cant say anything more, choose accounting and business from grade 9.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Ofcourse they are biased. But the thing is that we have critics to judge our sriptures and basically whatever they want to of our religion, but unfortuantely there arent any believing scientists. A normal person cannot get first hand expericne to all those things and it's just not the same way as a believer going there and discovering things.

Stranger_4

But it's just boggles me how something can be proven to be a billion years old, I mean billion, but I am not educated in science so cant say anything more, choose accounting and business from grade 9.

[QUOTE=" foxhound_fox "][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]What does the old testament have to do with quran? Vanadium2k8

This is what I don't get. If humans didn't writethe freakin book then who did, I'm guessing it was something that was described in "2000 a Space Odyssy" right?:roll:

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]If I cut you will you spill clay?

Ever been an animal to know?

Funky_Llama

No!

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm thinking that is it. Bodies disintegrate.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]If I cut you will you spill an ape?

No!

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]I am sure it cannot convince me I am made out of clay.... :roll: *leaves to enter the oven and be baked*

Teenaged

I mean you are arguing and then not even reading what someone else provides you in favour of their argument.:|

It's getting late with me as well so maybe am going off as well..

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"] I don't think I follow. Perhaps it is the wording that throws me off. You mean how a human body looks when it is (or after it is done) decaying might lead one to suspect that man was literally created from soil?Teenaged

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]If I cut you will you spill an ape?

No!

Stranger_4

But it's just boggles me how something can be proven to be a billion years old, I mean billion, but I am not educated in science so cant say anything more, choose accounting and business from grade 9.

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Atleast read it!:lol:

I mean you are arguing and then not even reading what someone else provides you in favour of their argument.:|

Stranger_4

It's getting late with me as well so maybe am going off as well..

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]I am sure it cannot convince me I am made out of clay.... :roll: *leaves to enter the oven and be baked*

Funky_Llama

I mean you are arguing and then not even reading what someone else provides you in favour of their argument.:|

I mean it's something physical we have so it shouldnt be hard to disprove...

The Bible never stated that for one thing. You have misunderstood the creation story.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm thinking that is it. Bodies disintegrate.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Of course not, humans aren't made out of apes and no one has claimed that they are.-Sun_Tzu-

No, -Sun_Tzu-, the correct response is "Straw man is made of straw... :|" :P

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Atleast read it!:lol:

I mean you are arguing and then not even reading what someone else provides you in favour of their argument.:|

Stranger_4

I mean it's something physical we have so it shouldnt be hard to disprove...

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]But you evolved from ape, cant I evolve from clay?

chessmaster1989

No, -Sun_Tzu-, the correct response is "Straw man is made of straw... :|" :P

If that's so absurd then why dont you prove that man wasnt made out of clay?:lol:

I mean it's something physical we have so it shouldnt be hard to disprove...

Stranger_4

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Atleast read it!:lol:

I mean you are arguing and then not even reading what someone else provides you in favour of their argument.:|

Stranger_4

I mean it's something physical we have so it shouldnt be hard to disprove...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The Bible never stated that for one thing. You have misunderstood the creation story.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]I am really not well versed in chemistry to debate furthur with you on this. However I can tell already that it's not a fact that man wasnt made from dirt, it's just based on assumptions so far.

Anyways read this. I would like to hear your response to that...

http://alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_4.html

foxhound_fox

We donot know how life started and if it started from clay than the scriptures remain true on the clay thing...and no we dont have concrete information on whether humans evolved from some other creature or not...and I have seen a few documentaries on evolution...I know what I am saying on the humans evolving thing..

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]The resemblance to clay was used metaphoricaly I suppose.....

Teenaged

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The straw man is made from straw.-Sun_Tzu-

No, -Sun_Tzu-, the correct response is "Straw man is made of straw... :|" :P

:P

Maybe it's "Straw man evolved from dinosairs" :P

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]When jumping from one language to another sometimes the word is translated a bit differently. Languages are not 100% translated.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Ofcourse they are biased. But the thing is that we have critics to judge our sriptures and basically whatever they want to of our religion, but unfortuantely there arent any believing scientists. A normal person cannot get first hand expericne to all those things and it's just not the same way as a believer going there and discovering things.

Stranger_4

But it's just boggles me how something can be proven to be a billion years old, I mean billion, but I am not educated in science so cant say anything more, choose accounting and business from grade 9.

Symbolic people. Ever notice what their names mean?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Honestly it's 2:00 after midnight here. Do you think I have the courage? Just answer to my other posts, please.

Teenaged

It's getting late with me as well so maybe am going off as well..

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]What other posts?

It's getting late with me as well so maybe am going off as well..

Stranger_4