How many people is God responsible for killing?

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="ThisCurse"]

Just in the timeline of the Bible alone, God killed 2,270,365 people! Sick, huh?

And Satan, who is slandered throughout that book was only responsible for 10 human deaths. And those were a result of a dare made by God himself.

FREE YOUR MIND

LikeHaterade

None. It was man's free will. Man disobeyed God and inherited Satan'ssavage nature. Your mind is bound.

God's punishment for disobeying him is death anyway, so what's the point?

He already know who will disobey him and when they will disobey him before they even think about disobeying him.

Just because God gave us free will doesn't mean he doesn't know what our actions are in the past, present, and future.

You're living in a world with a 100% death rate. What about Christians that die or athiests that live long lives.....

Oh, and you do have free will. Just because God is all-knowing doesn't mean he effects your free will.

I never said he effects free will. He just knows everything you will do with your free will up until the point you die, then he judges you.

The world isn't divided into who is Christian and who is atheist. We are all human. If someone lives a long life, then they've made wise choices in the past. Religion doesn't have any effect on longevity.

[QUOTE="NintendoGamer3"][QUOTE="ThisCurse"]

Satan truly loves us and encourages us to ENJOY our lives

God is a sick demented dictator who slays those who refuse to bow before his murederous feet. He makes Hitler look like one of the Powerpuff Girls. I am sick of his lies and what he did on 9/11/2001

Funky_Llama

Lotta things:

1:Dude..your like scaring me. XD

2:Satan doesn't love us. He hates everything..He hates love.

3:God didn't cause 9/11. That dude I forgot his name did it. A Satan follower.

4:God put us on this planet with a coice to choose who and what they belive in.

3. What, you mean a Muslim? :?

woah, just a minute there, if someone did those attacks, then in the EYES OF THE ISLAMIC LAW, HE CANNOT BE MUSLIM! simple really. just luk at my sig

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="ThisCurse"]

Just in the timeline of the Bible alone, God killed 2,270,365 people! Sick, huh?

And Satan, who is slandered throughout that book was only responsible for 10 human deaths. And those were a result of a dare made by God himself.

FREE YOUR MIND

Shad0ki11

None. It was man's free will. Man disobeyed God and inherited Satan'ssavage nature. Your mind is bound.

God's punishment for disobeying him is death anyway, so what's the point?

He already know who will disobey him and when they will disobey him before they even think about disobeying him.

Just because God gave us free will doesn't mean he doesn't know what our actions are in the past, present, and future.

You're living in a world with a 100% death rate. What about Christians that die or athiests that live long lives.....

Oh, and you do have free will. Just because God is all-knowing doesn't mean he effects your free will.

I never said he effects free will. He just knows everything you will do with your free will up until the point you die, then he judges you.

The world isn't divided into who is Christian and who is atheist. We are all human. If someone lives a long life, then they've made wise choices in the past. Religion doesn't have any effect on longevity.

What's the point you're trying to make with your first statement?

"God's punishment for disobeying him is death anyway, so what's the point?"

So what are you implying here because it contradicts your 2nd statement.

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="ThisCurse"]

Just in the timeline of the Bible alone, God killed 2,270,365 people! Sick, huh?

And Satan, who is slandered throughout that book was only responsible for 10 human deaths. And those were a result of a dare made by God himself.

FREE YOUR MIND

LikeHaterade

None. It was man's free will. Man disobeyed God and inherited Satan'ssavage nature. Your mind is bound.

God's punishment for disobeying him is death anyway, so what's the point?

He already know who will disobey him and when they will disobey him before they even think about disobeying him.

Just because God gave us free will doesn't mean he doesn't know what our actions are in the past, present, and future.

You're living in a world with a 100% death rate. What about Christians that die or athiests that live long lives.....

Oh, and you do have free will. Just because God is all-knowing doesn't mean he effects your free will.

I never said he effects free will. He just knows everything you will do with your free will up until the point you die, then he judges you.

The world isn't divided into who is Christian and who is atheist. We are all human. If someone lives a long life, then they've made wise choices in the past. Religion doesn't have any effect on longevity.

What's the point you're trying to make with your first statement?

"God's punishment for disobeying him is death anyway, so what's the point?"

So what are you implying here because it contradicts your 2nd statement.

According to the Bible sin leads to death.

It's not my personal belief, but I thought I might just bring it up.

The Noahs Ark story is a well know in the bible and CHristian relate to it. If they believe its true then they believe God kills those who go against his will. Do I personally believe a great flood happened? Nope, but my point is that all the people who do are being controlled by the words of that book. Its like asking if every SS soldier believed in Hitlers agenda. Likely not, but disobeying his commands would ceratinly lead to thier death.

ThisCurse

With the difference of course being that Hitler was real... and Stalin... and Mao.

I just tend to think that people with strong ideologies often are motivated to kill people, sometimes very large numbers of people, and it's not usually because of the substance of their beliefs but a simple need of theirs to force others to agree with them. I don't believe it's really justified historically to limit that to religious ideology. Philosophy is a tool by which we gather a body of knowledge together in order to make sense to our existence and provide some order to it, but there will always be the danger of some using it to justify attrocities -- and that will be the case whether or not the philosophy has a touch of mysticism stuck within it.

[QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Greatgone12"]

They interpret "holy visions" differently. Theokhoth

Mmm. . . .no. Try again. Make-up question!:D

Ooh, but you were closer with the first answer.

The pivotal difference between the three religions is Jesus.

In Christianity, Jesus is God.

In Judaism and Islam, He is not.

Therefore, Christianity, Islam and Judaism worship different deities.

In Christianity, some consider Jesus (P.B.U.H.) as Son of God. Others consider him as part of trinity, or God's manifestation on Earth. (Remeber, that trinity does include God in heaven).

Islam says, that christians are ascribing these false attributes to God. Neither does he have a son, nor does he need to manifest himself in human form on earth.

Judaism, I think, doesnot believe in Jesus (P.B.U.H.) as Prophet or God both. Still, they do worship the same God muslims do.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="ThisCurse"]

Just in the timeline of the Bible alone, God killed 2,270,365 people! Sick, huh?

And Satan, who is slandered throughout that book was only responsible for 10 human deaths. And those were a result of a dare made by God himself.

FREE YOUR MIND

Shad0ki11

None. It was man's free will. Man disobeyed God and inherited Satan'ssavage nature. Your mind is bound.

God's punishment for disobeying him is death anyway, so what's the point?

He already know who will disobey him and when they will disobey him before they even think about disobeying him.

Just because God gave us free will doesn't mean he doesn't know what our actions are in the past, present, and future.

Those things are far above our level. It's like an ant trying to understand rocket engineering. I was just making the statement that the death in the world wasn't from God, but from Satan and man's mistake of disobeying God.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]How is God bullying Christians when God doesn't force anyone to believe in him?

ThisCurse

Yeah, Im not threatened, but spiritual people actaully believe they will spend an eternity is a fire pit if they dont live thier life in His name.

I'm a Christian and I don't necessarilly believe Hell is literal fire. I think it's much, much worse. You shouldn't really assume to know what others believe.

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="ThisCurse"]

Just in the timeline of the Bible alone, God killed 2,270,365 people! Sick, huh?

And Satan, who is slandered throughout that book was only responsible for 10 human deaths. And those were a result of a dare made by God himself.

FREE YOUR MIND

Trashface

None. It was man's free will. Man disobeyed God and inherited Satan'ssavage nature. Your mind is bound.

God's punishment for disobeying him is death anyway, so what's the point?

He already know who will disobey him and when they will disobey him before they even think about disobeying him.

Just because God gave us free will doesn't mean he doesn't know what our actions are in the past, present, and future.

Those things are far above our level. It's like an ant trying to understand rocket engineering. I was just making the statement that the death in the world wasn't from God, but from Satan and man's mistake of disobeying God.

So Satan kills people?

I just tend to think that people with strong ideologies often are motivated to kill people, sometimes very large numbers of people, and it's not usually because of the substance of their beliefs but a simple need of theirs to force others to agree with them. I don't believe it's really justified historically to limit that to religious ideology.m0zart

More people have died in the name of Jesus than in the name of Hitler

These are rough but fairly educated estimates:

809 million people have died in religious wars

209 million have died in the name of Communism

62 million died in World War 2

[QUOTE="ThisCurse"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]How is God bullying Christians when God doesn't force anyone to believe in him?

Trashface

Yeah, Im not threatened, but spiritual people actaully believe they will spend an eternity is a fire pit if they dont live thier life in His name.

I'm a Christian and I don't necessarilly believe Hell is literal fire. I think it's much, much worse. You shouldn't really assume to know what others believe.

Interesting, I grew up Christian, both my parents were Sunday School teachers and I have read the Bible cover-to-cover at least 7 times. Eternal hellfire was what my sect believed in, you must subscribe to a splinter cell.

0.

We have the choice to do whatever we want.... Or do we? Does god make all of our choices for us?

You might be saying no! i can chose to wear a sweater or not. Well maybe whatever your choice was, is what God planned for you to do. Think about that

There is only one answer to this question, and the answer is none.

But, there are multiple explantations.

An Athiest might say: God has never killed anyone, becuase he does not exist,

A Christian would say: God doesnt kill people, people kill people with their own free will.

I'm not sure how any other religions would answer this, so i'm not going to mention any others.

[QUOTE="ThisCurse"]

The Noahs Ark story is a well know in the bible and CHristian relate to it. If they believe its true then they believe God kills those who go against his will. Do I personally believe a great flood happened? Nope, but my point is that all the people who do are being controlled by the words of that book. Its like asking if every SS soldier believed in Hitlers agenda. Likely not, but disobeying his commands would ceratinly lead to thier death.

m0zart

With the difference of course being that Hitler was real... and Stalin... and Mao.

I just tend to think that people with strong ideologies often are motivated to kill people, sometimes very large numbers of people, and it's not usually because of the substance of their beliefs but a simple need of theirs to force others to agree with them. I don't believe it's really justified historically to limit that to religious ideology. Philosophy is a tool by which we gather a body of knowledge together in order to make sense to our existence and provide some order to it, but there will always be the danger of some using it to justify attrocities -- and that will be the case whether or not the philosophy has a touch of mysticism stuck within it.

Sigh, you keep doing it. You keep pushing that religion isn't the reason for killing, that religion just a scapegoat. Why you wrap it in lots of articulate wording I am not sure, make you feel more intelligent? I don't know but I try to give presentations based on my audience, but anyways that's just my opinion.

The topic was God killed a lot of people and that he's not so friendly. Not that religion kills people or not. He has an definite point, according to the bible, god killed a lot of people and Satan killed around 10 I guess. It's all just a ironic joke, so no use wasting too much breath on it.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="NintendoGamer3"][QUOTE="ThisCurse"]

Satan truly loves us and encourages us to ENJOY our lives

God is a sick demented dictator who slays those who refuse to bow before his murederous feet. He makes Hitler look like one of the Powerpuff Girls. I am sick of his lies and what he did on 9/11/2001

GFahim

Lotta things:

1:Dude..your like scaring me. XD

2:Satan doesn't love us. He hates everything..He hates love.

3:God didn't cause 9/11. That dude I forgot his name did it. A Satan follower.

4:God put us on this planet with a coice to choose who and what they belive in.

3. What, you mean a Muslim? :?

woah, just a minute there, if someone did those attacks, then in the EYES OF THE ISLAMIC LAW, HE CANNOT BE MUSLIM! simple really. just luk at my sig

:roll: You see the ':?' face? That indicates that I'm not honestly suggesting that Muslims are Satanists.

out of all the insanely stupid threads ive encounted in OT this one take the cake.

isnt it ironic that the people most critical of christianity are the ones that know absolutly nothing about it?

0 zero zilch absolutely no one.

0 zero zilch absolutely no one.

syorks1

What about the woman in the Bible he turned into a pillar of salt? You think she was still alive after being smited like that?

0 zero zilch absolutely no one.

syorks1

You have a Jesus thing in your sig, I assume you may have read some parts of the Bible. God kills and he does it vengefully.

None!

[QUOTE="syorks1"]

0 zero zilch absolutely no one.

ThisCurse

You have a Jesus thing in your sig, I assume you may have read some parts of the Bible. God kills and he does it vengefully.

Old testament.

[QUOTE="ThisCurse"][QUOTE="syorks1"]

0 zero zilch absolutely no one.

cyberdarkkid

You have a Jesus thing in your sig, I assume you may have read some parts of the Bible. God kills and he does it vengefully.

Old testament.

So? It's still God right?

(just playing devil's advocate here :P)

Sigh, you keep doing it. You keep pushing that religion isn't the reason for killing, that religion just a scapegoat. Cereo1

I didn't do that at all. In fact, I specifically stated that religious fanatics do often kill people -- a LOT of people.

I am simply objecting to the common position that religion is the segment of philosophy primarily responsible for killing. Religion is basically a body of thought, a simple philosophy. It doesn't "kill" anyone. People do that. And they generally do that when they decide that others must agree with their philosophy "or else". And those who hold to any philosophy strictly enough and with the same level of demand against other individuals are just as likely to kill. This past century has demonstrated this fact to me and many others, specifically that the presence of spiritual mysticism in a philosphy isn't necessary for the fanatics of a philosophy to demand the heads of those who disagree.

Why you wrap it in lots of articulate wording I am not sure, make you feel more intelligent? I don't know but I try to give presentations based on my audience, but anyways that's just my opinion.Cereo1

If you are having trouble understanding my responses, you could always ask for clarification. I don't mind. If you aren't having trouble, they why let it bother you if my responses are a bit wordy? I prefer to state my position as thoroughly as possible. You don't have to like it, obviously, but that doesn't mean you should be trolling me with rhetorical questions like "make you feel more intelligent?"

If you can't respond to me without the ad hominems, then I'd just assume you didn't respond to me at all.

The topic was God killed a lot of people and that he's not so friendly. Not that religion kills people or not. He has an definite point, according to the bible, god killed a lot of people and Satan killed around 10 I guess. It's all just a ironic joke, so no use wasting too much breath on it.Cereo1

It's not a joke topic. It's framed in hyperbole, but it's dead serious. It's an allegorical approach to blaming religion for murder. In any case, I suggest that you take your own advice and ignore the "joke topic" if challenges to its veracity don't suit you.

Why have the mods refrained from creating one big religion thread for everyone to argue in?

WHY?

People were killed because they didn't follow God's law, don't mess God...seriously.

Zephgaldarien

None. Yes people have killed in the name of God forever, but I can't say God himself did it. And I'm an Atheist.btaylor2404

Yeah, umm, the Bibile claims God killed those people. And dont get me started on anyone who calls themselves Athiest.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]None. Yes people have killed in the name of God forever, but I can't say God himself did it. And I'm an Atheist.ThisCurse

Yeah, umm, the Bibile claims God killed those people. And dont get me started on anyone who calls themselves Athiest.

Well I don't take the Bible as fact so there's that argument. Sorry you don't care for others point of view.

God is going to kill you too. ;)

SIapshot

And you, and me, if there is one...because no one lives forever.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]None. Yes people have killed in the name of God forever, but I can't say God himself did it. And I'm an Atheist.ThisCurse

Yeah, umm, the Bibile claims God killed those people. And dont get me started on anyone who calls themselves Athiest.

I'm not an Atheist, I'm a non-practicing Catholic.

wow thats a crazy answer. things like the crusades come to mind. the way islam was initialy spread.

terrorist screaming god is great everytime the murder somebody.

its awful.

[QUOTE="ThisCurse"]

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]None. Yes people have killed in the name of God forever, but I can't say God himself did it. And I'm an Atheist.btaylor2404

Yeah, umm, the Bibile claims God killed those people. And dont get me started on anyone who calls themselves Athiest.

Well I don't take the Bible as fact so there's that argument. Sorry you don't care for others point of view.

I think we're assuming for the purposes of argument that the Bible is true.