How porn could be affecting your personality.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

I have a question for the people contending the definition of addiction. How much fapping would constitute an addiction?

PWSteal_Ldpinch

I'd imagine that quantity matters not as much as the compulsion.

In terms of actual addiction, sure it would. Plenty of kids in college drink religiously until graduation w/o problem thereafter. From a practical perspective of detecting the addiction, I see your point, but quantity alone doesn't determine whether or not it is an addiction. Say some guy has a juvenile contest to off more times during the week than his peers and then afterwards returns to normal. He'll quite possibly dwarfing sex addicts in terms of frequency, yet does not have the problem.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

I have a question for the people contending the definition of addiction. How much fapping would constitute an addiction?

PWSteal_Ldpinch

[QUOTE="metroidprime55"][QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] Masturbation produces the same chemicals and physical changes in the brain. If you watch the video, the speaker say that any easily available and pleasurable stimuli produce the same physical changes.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

Fighting words from someone who spends their time e-fighting muslims and making threads about pornography.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] Masturbation produces the same chemicals and physical changes in the brain. If you watch the video, the speaker say that any easily available and pleasurable stimuli produce the same physical changes.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

You answer that question for the rest of us so we can know if we're addicted :P.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'd imagine that quantity matters not as much as the compulsion.

coolbeans90

In terms of actual addiction, sure it would. Plenty of kids in college drink religiously until graduation w/o problem thereafter. From a practical perspective of detecting the addiction, I see your point, but quantity alone doesn't determine whether or not it is an addiction. Say some guy has a juvenile contest to off more times during the week than his peers and then afterwards returns to normal. He'll quite possibly dwarfing sex addicts in terms of frequency, yet does not have the problem.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"][QUOTE="metroidprime55"] So sex can do the same thing as porn to me?TacticalDesire

Fighting words from someone who spends their time e-fighting muslims and making threads about pornography.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] But yet again you seem not to understand there is moderation to this.. That is the point, moderation.. Too much of anything can lead to damaging effects.TacticalDesire

You answer that question for the rest of us so we can know if we're addicted :P.

I watch porn a lot, but I can still go for days without and be fine. By fine, I mean no different than I usually am and always have been. Social (and in fact, general) anxiety has always been an issue for me with or without porn.

I watch porn a lot, but I can still go for days without and be fine. By fine, I mean no different than I usually am and always have been. Social (and in fact, general) anxiety has always been an issue for me with or without porn.

Spitfirer

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] Compulsion is not noticed unless the person is actively trying to eliminate the behavior. Your statement wouldn't make sense in the context of any other addiction.A drug addict does not feel withdrawal until he stops using the drug.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

In terms of actual addiction, sure it would. Plenty of kids in college drink religiously until graduation w/o problem thereafter. From a practical perspective of detecting the addiction, I see your point, but quantity alone doesn't determine whether or not it is an addiction. Say some guy has a juvenile contest to off more times during the week than his peers and then afterwards returns to normal. He'll quite possibly dwarfing sex addicts in terms of frequency, yet does not have the problem.

It is comparable insofar as alcohol can be addictive and quantity of use doesn't adequately address the issue of addiction. Yes, it physically damages the liver, but not all people are equally prone to alcoholism. One who is addicted to the substance is at an increased risk to long-term health problems due to inability/disincentive to cease excessive consumption. I can't speak for porn, but having used to smoke, the compulsion definitely was noticeable, even if it increased during withdrawal. If I were to get to the crux of the matter, I think the person to person variance is a significant factor to be considered and that stating an arbitrary number isn't necessarily accurately indicative of the gravity of one's addiction -- there may or may not be a small deviation with respect to what is considered excessive exposure over prolonged periods of time to masturbation however there also might not be. Stats would help. Moreover, I don't know that asking a bunch of teenagers on an gaming forum is likely to produce results.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]How many times do you fap per day?mrmusicman247

What. The Hell.

Per day? I barely do it evert two weeks.

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

I watch porn a lot, but I can still go for days without and be fine. By fine, I mean no different than I usually am and always have been. Social (and in fact, general) anxiety has always been an issue for me with or without porn.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

But the other fact remains, that I've always had an anxiety issue.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"][QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

I watch porn a lot, but I can still go for days without and be fine. By fine, I mean no different than I usually am and always have been. Social (and in fact, general) anxiety has always been an issue for me with or without porn.

Spitfirer

But the other fact remains, that I've always had an anxiety issue.

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] Physical changes in the brain take years to develop. The few days that you go without porn is negligible compared to the length of time you've been watching porn.PWSteal_Ldpinch

But the other fact remains, that I've always had an anxiety issue.

mfw you'd pay attention to non-scientific posts than mine: :/

Your post isn't very scientific. When did you start watching porn regularly? When did notice your anxiety?PWSteal_Ldpinch

I noticed my anxiety long before watching porn.

If I have any issues due to porn, it's more of an over-indulgance. I've had that issue in the past and taking a short break from it helped. I'd experience boredom and loss of interest, but that was due to clinical depression, something which I had the physical symptoms of, again, long before I started watching porn.

My intention all along was really to say that for me, porn has never really been an issue.

Just thought you aspies might be interested.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

Nope.

It is comparable insofar as alcohol can be addictive and quantity of use doesn't adequately address the issue of addiction. Yes, it physically damages the liver, but not all people are equally prone to alcoholism. One who is addicted to the substance is at an increased risk to long-term health problems due to inability/disincentive to cease excessive consumption. I can't speak for porn, but having used to smoke, the compulsion definitely was noticeable, even if it increased during withdrawal. If I were to get to the crux of the matter, I think the person to person variance is a significant factor to be considered and that stating an arbitrary number isn't necessarily accurately indicative of the gravity of one's addiction -- there may or may not be a small deviation with respect to what is considered excessive exposure over prolonged periods of time to masturbation however there also might not be. Stats would help. Moreover, I don't know that asking a bunch of teenagers on an gaming forum is likely to produce results.

coolbeans90

Psychological addiction does not indicate the extent of the damage. As you said, people are not all equally prone to alcoholism. However, the biochemical pathways in the liver that are necessary for the degradation of alcohol are the same in all people, and liver damage occurs at the same rate, regardless of the individual's psychological addiction to alcohol. Likewise, porn and masturbation also result in physical changes, independent of the individual's desire to consume them. My arguement is that consumption produces physical changes at a certain rate, regardless of the individual's assessment of his own addiction.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

It is comparable insofar as alcohol can be addictive and quantity of use doesn't adequately address the issue of addiction. Yes, it physically damages the liver, but not all people are equally prone to alcoholism. One who is addicted to the substance is at an increased risk to long-term health problems due to inability/disincentive to cease excessive consumption. I can't speak for porn, but having used to smoke, the compulsion definitely was noticeable, even if it increased during withdrawal. If I were to get to the crux of the matter, I think the person to person variance is a significant factor to be considered and that stating an arbitrary number isn't necessarily accurately indicative of the gravity of one's addiction -- there may or may not be a small deviation with respect to what is considered excessive exposure over prolonged periods of time to masturbation however there also might not be. Stats would help. Moreover, I don't know that asking a bunch of teenagers on an gaming forum is likely to produce results.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

Psychological addiction does not indicate the extent of the damage. As you said, people are not all equally prone to alcoholism. However, the biochemical pathways in the liver that are necessary for the degradation of alcohol are the same in all people, and liver damage occurs at the same rate, regardless of the individual's psychological addiction to alcohol. Likewise, porn and masturbation also result in physical changes, independent of the individual's desire to consume them. My arguement is that consumption produces physical changes at a certain rate, regardless of the individual's assessment of his own addiction.

We are in agreement, then.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

It is comparable insofar as alcohol can be addictive and quantity of use doesn't adequately address the issue of addiction. Yes, it physically damages the liver, but not all people are equally prone to alcoholism. One who is addicted to the substance is at an increased risk to long-term health problems due to inability/disincentive to cease excessive consumption. I can't speak for porn, but having used to smoke, the compulsion definitely was noticeable, even if it increased during withdrawal. If I were to get to the crux of the matter, I think the person to person variance is a significant factor to be considered and that stating an arbitrary number isn't necessarily accurately indicative of the gravity of one's addiction -- there may or may not be a small deviation with respect to what is considered excessive exposure over prolonged periods of time to masturbation however there also might not be. Stats would help. Moreover, I don't know that asking a bunch of teenagers on an gaming forum is likely to produce results.

coolbeans90

Psychological addiction does not indicate the extent of the damage. As you said, people are not all equally prone to alcoholism. However, the biochemical pathways in the liver that are necessary for the degradation of alcohol are the same in all people, and liver damage occurs at the same rate, regardless of the individual's psychological addiction to alcohol. Likewise, porn and masturbation also result in physical changes, independent of the individual's desire to consume them. My arguement is that consumption produces physical changes at a certain rate, regardless of the individual's assessment of his own addiction.

We are in agreement, then.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

Psychological addiction does not indicate the extent of the damage. As you said, people are not all equally prone to alcoholism. However, the biochemical pathways in the liver that are necessary for the degradation of alcohol are the same in all people, and liver damage occurs at the same rate, regardless of the individual's psychological addiction to alcohol. Likewise, porn and masturbation also result in physical changes, independent of the individual's desire to consume them. My arguement is that consumption produces physical changes at a certain rate, regardless of the individual's assessment of his own addiction.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

We are in agreement, then.

No, you didn't.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] No I just rectum-wrecked your argument.coolbeans90

No, you didn't.

In your own words, you said:

I'd imagine that quantity matters not as much as the compulsion.

coolbeans90

I argued that a person's compulsion is irrelevant with respect to the physical changes. I rectum-wrecked your argument.

Nope.

Suzy_Q_Kazoo

In your own words, you said:

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'd imagine that quantity matters not as much as the compulsion.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

I argued that a person's compulsion is irrelevant with respect to the physical changes. I rectum-wrecked your argument.

Clearly said statement was made in the context of addiction (i.e. compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance), not physical harm.

Clearly said statement was made in the context of addiction (i.e. compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance), not physical harm.

coolbeans90

No your argument doesn't make sense either way. Compulsion would not be a problem if physical harm was not a factor. Even though we are compelled to breathe air, it isn't a problem since air is harmless.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Clearly said statement was made in the context of addiction (i.e. compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance), not physical harm.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

No your argument doesn't make sense either way. Compulsion would not be a problem if physical harm was not a factor. Even though we are compelled to breathe air, it isn't a problem since air is harmless.

My argument had nothing to do with whether or not addictions are inherently harmful. Jesus, you are terrible at this.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Clearly said statement was made in the context of addiction (i.e. compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance), not physical harm.

coolbeans90

No your argument doesn't make sense either way. Compulsion would not be a problem if physical harm was not a factor. Even though we are compelled to breathe air, it isn't a problem since air is harmless.

My argument had nothing to do with whether or not addictions are harmful. Jesus, you are terrible at this.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

No your argument doesn't make sense either way. Compulsion would not be a problem if physical harm was not a factor. Even though we are compelled to breathe air, it isn't a problem since air is harmless.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

My argument had nothing to do with whether or not addictions are harmful. Jesus, you are terrible at this.

I said that compulsion matters more than quantity with respect to whether or not it is an addiction - NOT that it matters more in a general sense. Whether or not one has the "compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance" (by definition, addiction) is unrelated to whether or not said substances are harmful. Your observation that addiction is not a problem when the substance isn't harmful is utterly inconsequential to the argument and is nothing other than a red herring. That said, I am done here.

coolbeans' and sun's *debating skills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PW's.

* obvious "mass" addition required for light amusement.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

My argument had nothing to do with whether or not addictions are harmful. Jesus, you are terrible at this.

coolbeans90

I said that compulsion matters more than quantity with respect to whether or not it is an addiction - NOT that it matters more in a general sense. Whether or not one has the "compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance" (by definition, addiction) is unrelated to whether or not said substances are harmful. Your observation that addiction is not a problem when the substance isn't harmful is utterly inconsequential to the argument and is nothing other than a red herring. That said, I am done here.

And I said that quantity matters more than compulsion with respect to whether or not porn is harmful. I thought we were debating the effect of porn while you were debating the definition of "addiction". There was a misunderstanding.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] The topic is not a question, FMAB_GTO

coolbeans' and sun's *debating skills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PW's.

* obvious "mass" addition required for light amusement.

Spitfirer

You're not exactly impartial since you hate my views on Islam and you share fapping material with beans.

There was a misunderstanding.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

That was the conclusion that I initially came to when I stated: "Then we are in agreement". Then more of the same happened.

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] The topic is not a question, PWSteal_Ldpinch

Spitfirer does post good material on TDH. But that said, my frequency ain't that high.

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]

Nope.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"][QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]

Nope.

Suzy_Q_Kazoo

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] How often do you watch porn?Suzy_Q_Kazoo

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"][QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] How often do you watch porn?PWSteal_Ldpinch

Without porn I think I would be killing by now... :P

Watching two people **** is bad for you? Seriously, how do people believe any of this BS. Porn addiction is laughable and how many people are seriously addicted to porn? You don't need porn to have an orgasm. It'd probably be more accurate to say they are addicted to sex in general, or even masterbating rather than porn. Banning porn would just push it underground and cause even more problems.

Casually viewing porn isn't negatively affecting anything. There is no difference between doing that and using your imagination or having sex. I just laugh at people who are on the anti-porn BS. Why dont you guys go attack a real issue?

I believe Kirk Franklin (gospel musician) used to be a porn addict.

http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/interviews/kirkFranklin_scottross_042004.aspx