I don't think art is necessary.

I have always had to deal with my own cenundrum.

I am a very good drawer and very artistic and creative and original and charasmatic and powerfuland everything that a good artist is.

Yet, I have always kind of hated my gift because I always felt like it wasn't good for anything, like my gift could only lead to a luxary, but not a necessity.

I always explained to people tha I thought art was useless and they said "no it's not, people need to feel human" and I always disagreed with them and wanted my talent to be something like science where I thought it was useful and beneficial.

To me, art wasn't necessary, because it's not really 'necessary' to have a painting hanging on a wall. A painting never treated cancer or built a bridge.

I always felt guilty for being good at something that I thought was useless, too easy.

However, it's not that I was wrong or that the people that disagreed with me were wrong, we were both right in our own way, which led me to this conclusion:

"Art as a painting or a sculpture isn't necessary, but EMOTIONAL STIMULATION is."

Music has always been so important to me, because it soothed my head and caressed my demons and I emotionally connected to it so strongly.

It's that EMOTIONAL CONNECTION that good art conveys that is necessary for a person, not necessarily the art itself. It doesn't have to be a painting to be 'art,' it can be music, a book, a poem, a drawing or painting, an idea, SOMETHING that causes the person to make a sincere connection, causes them to 'awe' in its beauty.

So now I don't feel guilty for being a good artist, because someday I hope to sincerely inspire or have someone take refuge in the power of MY work, like I have done in the music of my favorite bands, that wereable tocause that 'STIR'within me.

Without artistic expression, practical things loose their importance as well because the quality of life declines.

Yet, I have always kind of hated my gift because I always felt like it wasn't good for anything, like my gift could only lead to a luxary, but not a necessity.

im_really_rich

So?

Everything but food and water is a luxury if you think about it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with luxury.

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"]Wow. Way to toot your own horn with that second line. Yeesh. >_>DJ_Lae

Hey, at least you're good at SOMETHING. Some people just plain can't do ANYTHING right.

I will say with no personal doubt that art is the essence of human life. It's natural imo, as natural is the search for beauty.

Think of it that way:

In greek art is tehni (τεχνη): tehni means "something that is born/created (by humans)". Thus every human creation that has specific principles and recognisable form is art. We create art every day imo.

As of what some people call "true art", I say that this is what makes life full, but I am not eager to live a non-full life without art by far.

And think if this: can you live without music, can you live without observation of beautiful things.

Some people will say that the primitive people had no serious art and they were just fine. Why would our evolvement make art a necessity?

Back then beauty was given by nature itself. Nature "gave birth/created", nature was art itself. And besides people were drawing in caves. This is the first genuine form of art. That's why I think that art could be characterised as the creative capability of humans, and this I believe to be inherent to us. :)

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="22Toothpicks"]Wow. Way to toot your own horn with that second line. Yeesh. >_>22Toothpicks

It's true. You haven't even seen my art.

I'm not going to pretend to be humble, I'm going to be honest about myself and ADMIT that I am very good.

I have the courage to admit the truth, and I don't care if I seem "pompous" or "conceited" because of it, because I know it's true and the truth is the truth.

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"] I'd go a bit farther and say that sentence reeks of self-fellatio.im_really_rich

It's true. You haven't even seen my art.

I'm not going to pretend to be humble, I'm going to be honest about myself and ADMIT that I am very good.

I have the courage to admit the truth, and I don't care if I seem "pompous" or "conceited" because of it, because I know it's true and the truth is the truth.

I will say with no personal doubt that art is the essence of human life. It's natural imo, as natural is the search for beauty.

Think of it that way:

In greek art is tehni (τεχνη): tehni means "something that is born/created (by humans)". Thus every human creation that has specific principles and recognisable form is art. We create art every day imo.

As of what some people call "true art", I say that this is what makes life full, but I am not eager to live a non-full life without art by far.

And think if this: can you live without music, can you live without observation of beautiful things.

Some people will say that the primitive people had no serious art and they were just fine. Why would our evolvement make art a necessity?

Back then beauty was given by nature itself. Nature "gave birth/created", nature was art itself. And besides people were drawing in caves. This is the first genuine form of art. That's why I think that art could be characterised as the creative capability of humans, and this I believe to be inherent to us. :)

Teenaged

It's not just that prehistoric peoples were painting in caves, but they could very well be drawing on a chunk of wood in their village, "notebook paper" to them.

The cave paintings were hidden from the ravages of weather and the humans and that's how they survived for so long. But these cave paintings would be considered the 'epics' of their times.

In reality, many prehistoric people probably drew on anywhere, sketching, what we would call "doodling," people doodle in math class everyday and it should be no different for the prehistoric people that there was plenty of doodling, small little drawings that surely wouldn't survive. Prehistoric people doodled as much as any other person in the world today.

It's just that the cave paintings would have the nature of being the "very ambitious community project," because it was much more laborious to do a cave-painting than a simple doodle and these cave paintings would be to them like the Eifel Tower or the Statue of Liberty is to us.

Make sense?

Well, its a good thing that the American educational system agrees with you.

Art, music, drama, etc. have all taken a cut in funds while investment in sporting events has shockingly risen.

Art is an emotional, creative, sometimes spiritual thing that impacts people around the world and communicates the thoughts and feelings of the original creator.

To say that we don't need it to live is a little absurd. If you want to look at it this way, throw your computer out the window, you don't need it to live.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I will say with no personal doubt that art is the essence of human life. It's natural imo, as natural is the search for beauty.

Think of it that way:

In greek art is tehni (τεχνη): tehni means "something that is born/created (by humans)". Thus every human creation that has specific principles and recognisable form is art. We create art every day imo.

As of what some people call "true art", I say that this is what makes life full, but I am not eager to live a non-full life without art by far.

And think if this: can you live without music, can you live without observation of beautiful things.

Some people will say that the primitive people had no serious art and they were just fine. Why would our evolvement make art a necessity?

Back then beauty was given by nature itself. Nature "gave birth/created", nature was art itself. And besides people were drawing in caves. This is the first genuine form of art. That's why I think that art could be characterised as the creative capability of humans, and this I believe to be inherent to us. :)

im_really_rich

It's not just that prehistoric peoples were painting in caves, but they could very well be drawing on a chunk of wood in their village, "notebook paper" to them.

The cave paintings were hidden from the ravages of weather and the humans and that's how they survived for so long. But these cave paintings would be considered the 'epics' of their times.

In reality, many prehistoric people probably drew on anywhere, sketching, what we would call "doodling," people doodle in math class everyday and it should be no different for the prehistoric people that there was plenty of doodling, small little drawings that surely wouldn't survive. Prehistoric people doodled as much as any other person in the world today.

It's just that the cave paintings would have the nature of being the "very ambitious community project," because it was much more laborious to do a cave-painting than a simple doodle and these cave paintings would be to them like the Eifel Tower or the Statue of Liberty is to us.

Make sense?

The above is nonsense in case I didn't get your point there. :P Clarify if I am wrong.

I just found something interesting here. It says that the word art is related (from what I understood) to the greek word "artios" which means complete, right.

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"]Wow. Way to toot your own horn with that second line. Yeesh. >_>DJ_Lae

So is that good or bad? :?

Society would be an empty void without art.

I think you are selling art a little short. If it wasn't for good art, lems and cowswouldn't know if their system was any good or not.

Art is also very strong in communication, and communication can very important and influential in life. Be it in marketing or making an effective film, good art can be responsible for generating much revenue for companies, and people having jobs does the most good for everyone IMO.

If you love art, I wouldn't abandon it because of what you are thinking. Good art can play a very positive influential role in someones life.

I always explained to people tha I thought art was useless and they said "no it's not, people need to feel human" and I always disagreed with them and wanted my talent to be something like science where I thought it was useful and beneficial.

im_really_rich

Leonardo Da Vinchi used his art as an inspiration for his inventions. Art and science can be mixed to create useful things.

Without art life would be very dull.

Everything is art. Look at a cloud. Without art you would live in purgatory, a void.

Everything is art. Look at a cloud. Without art you would live in purgatory, a void.

modestkraut1291

[QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]

Everything is art. Look at a cloud. Without art you would live in purgatory, a void.

thepwninator

Sounds like a statement from C3PO. Art is humans recreating the things they see in the world so without beautiful clouds there would be no art.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"] :lol: Awesome.22Toothpicks

It's true. You haven't even seen my art.

I'm not going to pretend to be humble, I'm going to be honest about myself and ADMIT that I am very good.

I have the courage to admit the truth, and I don't care if I seem "pompous" or "conceited" because of it, because I know it's true and the truth is the truth.

The last one is a self-portrait.

Well, its a good thing that the American educational system agrees with you.

Art, music, drama, etc. have all taken a cut in funds while investment in sporting events has shockingly risen.

Art is an emotional, creative, sometimes spiritual thing that impacts people around the world and communicates the thoughts and feelings of the original creator.

To say that we don't need it to live is a little absurd. If you want to look at it this way, throw your computer out the window, you don't need it to live.

starfox15

im_really_rich

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

DJ_Lae

Abstract expression.

I just make it up as I go, make it up from my mind.

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

It's true. You haven't even seen my art.

I'm not going to pretend to be humble, I'm going to be honest about myself and ADMIT that I am very good.

I have the courage to admit the truth, and I don't care if I seem "pompous" or "conceited" because of it, because I know it's true and the truth is the truth.

im_really_rich

The last one is a self-portrait.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

DJ_Lae

Looks more like hair to me.

Looks more like hair to me.

MrGeezer

Maybe it's an amalgam of both, depicting the effort people spend on their hair in order to attract andsnare members of the opposite sex.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]

Everything is art. Look at a cloud. Without art you would live in purgatory, a void.

modestkraut1291

Sounds like a statement from C3PO. Art is humans recreating the things they see in the world so without beautiful clouds there would be no art.

[QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]

[QUOTE="thepwninator"] Art is an inherently human creation. As a result, a cloud is not "art". It is beautiful, yes, but not "art".thepwninator

Sounds like a statement from C3PO. Art is humans recreating the things they see in the world so without beautiful clouds there would be no art.

Without artistic expression, practical things loose their importance as well because the quality of life declines.

Mr47fitter

Of course it's not required for us to live, it just makes life better. And there's nothing wrong with that.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="modestkraut1291"]

Sounds like a statement from C3PO. Art is humans recreating the things they see in the world so without beautiful clouds there would be no art.

PannicAtack

I am not against art, some of you are getting the wrong impression.

What I meant is that a piece of art itself does not prove to be a necessity, but the beauty and emotion that the art work brings is.

Maybe my opinion on this is a bit skewed because my Grandfather was an art lover, My Dad is an artist, and I want to be a Digital Artist.

But Art is very neccesary.

Without art you have minimal expression.

Art helps define a culture.

And for people with conditions such as aspergers, art is a good thing (from my own experience).