I don't think art is necessary.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] Sounds like an ad hominem attack. Art is humans bringing many parts together to create a coherent whole designed to have some sort of meaning. The speeches of Demosthenes are art, but they are not representations of something found in nature. The Phaedrus by Plato is art, but it is not a representation of anything found in nature. A cloud cannot be art because it does not have a mind behind it, and, therefore, is a semi-random event. It lacks meaning.thepwninator

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

im_really_rich

Abstract expression.

I just make it up as I go, make it up from my mind.

Abstract expression is just an excuse for having no ideas.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"] Cobwebs?swazidoughman

Abstract expression.

I just make it up as I go, make it up from my mind.

Abstract expression is just an excuse for having no ideas.

Abstract expression is my favorite form of art, and is one of the best 'self-portraits' an artist can make.

Abstract expression is meant to be a 'self-portrait of the artist's mind,' because it takes the feelings inside the artist and gives it its own unique form onto the paper.

I've dealt with people like you my entire life who hate abstract expression. People saying "what is it," "I don't get it," "It doesn't mean anything."

People too naive or creativeto see the beauty of something without having to know what something is.

Fine. Whatever. Go look at another PLF if it strikes your fancy more. PLF, Portrait-Landscape-Flower, real original art there, never been done before. :roll:

Your textures are fantastic, I can say that, but the self-portrait is a bit lacking, particularly in the composition. Still, the textures are very beautiful - keep it up. :DKOTORkicker

Thanks.

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

Abstract expression is just an excuse for having no ideas.

im_really_rich

Abstract expression is my favorite form of art, and is one of the best 'self-portraits' an artist can make.

Abstract expression is meant to be a 'self-portrait of the artist's mind,' because it takes the feelings inside the artist and gives it its own unique form onto the paper.

I've dealt with people like you my entire life who hate abstract expression. People saying "what is it," "I don't get it," "It doesn't mean anything."

People too naive or creativeto see the beauty of something without having to know what something is.

Fine. Whatever. Go look at another PLF if it strikes your fancy more. PLF, Portrait-Landscape-Flower, real original art there, never been done before. :roll:

I enjoy abstract art, mostly because it often focuses on textures and shapes over colours, and being colourblind it's hard to appreciate colour as much. I notice similar differences with photographs by colourblind artists, since the pictures (even if they are in colour) focus more on shapes and patterns than varying colours.

But even though I have a number of abstract paintings in my apartment, there's also part of me that's extremely leery of the artform as it's exceptionally easy to slap a bunch of random shapes on a canvas and call it art.

No one can dispute what it means, because it's the artist's creation. Did he put effort into it? Does it it mean anything? It doesn't matter, and no one will ever know, and no one will ever be able to dispute it without being viewed as, in your words, naive or uncreative.

I know a couple of guys who managed to make a decent bit of coin through university by cranking out random paintings in between cases of beer and joints. Ultimately then it becomes a balance, and whether the person who buys those paintings views them as more important than the artist did. Is it deceitful? God yes. But there's not much I can do about it, and it bothers me.

Hell, I don't really know if the artists who did my paintings really put effort into them or were just in it for financial gain.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

Abstract expression is just an excuse for having no ideas.

DJ_Lae

Abstract expression is my favorite form of art, and is one of the best 'self-portraits' an artist can make.

Abstract expression is meant to be a 'self-portrait of the artist's mind,' because it takes the feelings inside the artist and gives it its own unique form onto the paper.

I've dealt with people like you my entire life who hate abstract expression. People saying "what is it," "I don't get it," "It doesn't mean anything."

People too naive or creativeto see the beauty of something without having to know what something is.

Fine. Whatever. Go look at another PLF if it strikes your fancy more. PLF, Portrait-Landscape-Flower, real original art there, never been done before. :roll:

I enjoy abstract art, mostly because it often focuses on textures and shapes over colours, and being colourblind it's hard to appreciate colour as much. I notice similar differences with photographs by colourblind artists, since the pictures (even if they are in colour) focus more on shapes and patterns than varying colours.

But even though I have a number of abstract paintings in my apartment, there's also part of me that's extremely leery of the artform as it's exceptionally easy to slap a bunch of random shapes on a canvas and call it art.

No one can dispute what it means, because it's the artist's creation. Did he put effort into it? Does it it mean anything? It doesn't matter, and no one will ever know, and no one will ever be able to dispute it without being viewed as, in your words, naive or uncreative.

I know a couple of guys who managed to make a decent bit of coin through university by cranking out random paintings in between cases of beer and joints. Ultimately then it becomes a balance, and whether the person who buys those paintings views them as more important than the artist did. Is it deceitful? God yes. But there's not much I can do about it, and it bothers me.

Hell, I don't really know if the artists who did my paintings really put effort into them or were just in it for financial gain.

I do what I do because I love it, and I like pulling lines out of my head and putting them on the paper.

There are some very good abstract paintings, especially from deviantART, these are some of my favorites:

and I don't think fast food is necessary.

Art is in almost everything...

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"]Wow. Way to toot your own horn with that second line. Yeesh. >_>dreDREb13

There's no point in being modest if it's true.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

[QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Exactly what I was thinking... You could be a bit more modest, next time...dreDREb13

There's no point in being modest if it's true.

I'm not being smug. I know I'm good, but I'm not going to 'fake' being humble just so I can fulfill some dumb ideal that I'm supposed to try and look like I'm unarrogant and better than I hold myself to be. That kind of thing is stupid and melodramatic and is held for movies.

I knew people like you would respond, and in that sense, at least I have the balls to admit that I'm good, because most good artists are too pusy to do it because they are afraid of appearing like a 'conceited jack ass.'

Most artists try not to toot their own horn, and I really used to be that why, and then I realized, "why hide it?" I have no good reason to cover up how I feel about my work and my talent. The principal you seem to want to get at just doesn't do it for me.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

[QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Now you're just being smug. Uncool. But art isn't essential to anything. It's just something to help people through things.dreDREb13

I'm not being smug. I know I'm good, but I'm not going to 'fake' being humble just so I can fulfill some dumb ideal that I'm supposed to try and look like I'm unarrogant and better than I hold myself to be. That kind of thing is stupid and melodramatic and is held for movies.

I knew people like you would respond, and in that sense, at least I have the balls to admit that I'm good, because most good artists are too pusy to do it because they are afraid of appearing like a 'conceited jack ass.'

Most artists try not to toot their own horn, and I really used to be that why, and then I realized, "why hide it?" I have no good reason to cover up how I feel about my work and my talent. The principal you seem to want to get at just doesn't do it for me.

I get what you're saying, but the problem is my art doesn't suck.

Everyone tells me so. For my art junior review in college, three of the art professors told me I had a lot of potential.

Everyone tells me that I'm good, so the idea that I might potentially suck isn't even an issue. What the issue always is is that I never draw what people want to see. They want to see PLFs, but I always draw abstracts.

Look on the other pages of this thread. I posted four of my drawings, three abstracts and one with a guy holding a gun.

You go look at them and tell me what you honestly think about them. Tell me I suck. Tell me I'm good. Tell me what YOU FEEL is the truth. Don't worry. If your opinion is harsh, I can definitely take it.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

[QUOTE="dreDREb13"]The reason you don't act conceited is because you won't look like an idiot when people tell you your art sucks. If you act like the greatest thing ever and someone says your art is mediocre, what's that say about you? You're self-absorbed. Get over yourself and make the art. Don't let the art take over your ego.dreDREb13

I get what you're saying, but the problem is my art doesn't suck.

Everyone tells me so. For my art junior review in college, three of the art professors told me I had a lot of potential.

Everyone tells me that I'm good, so the idea that I might potentially suck isn't even an issue. What the issue always is is that I never draw what people want to see. They want to see PLFs, but I always draw abstracts.

Look on the other pages of this thread. I posted four of my drawings, three abstracts and one with a guy holding a gun.

You go look at them and tell me what you honestly think about them. Tell me I suck. Tell me I'm good. Tell me what YOU FEEL is the truth. Don't worry. If your opinion is harsh, I can definitely take it.

That's pen and ink.

I dip a quill and a nib into runny ink and draw with it. No pencil.

[QUOTE="dreDREb13"][QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

There's no point in being modest if it's true.

im_really_rich

I'm not being smug. I know I'm good, but I'm not going to 'fake' being humble just so I can fulfill some dumb ideal that I'm supposed to try and look like I'm unarrogant and better than I hold myself to be. That kind of thing is stupid and melodramatic and is held for movies.

I knew people like you would respond, and in that sense, at least I have the balls to admit that I'm good, because most good artists are too pusy to do it because they are afraid of appearing like a 'conceited jack ass.'

Most artists try not to toot their own horn, and I really used to be that why, and then I realized, "why hide it?" I have no good reason to cover up how I feel about my work and my talent. The principal you seem to want to get at just doesn't do it for me.

Your third drawing isn't all that, well you know... great(the one with the guy holding a gun). Your abstract drawings are alright though. Theres a difference between "alright" and "great"

If you can post a piece of abstract that you've done that can top this, then I'll admit your great.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

DJ_Lae

Your fourth drawing isn't all that, well you know... great(the one with the guy holding a gun). Your abstract drawings are alright though. Theres a difference between "alright" and "great"

If you can post a piece of abstract that you've done that can top this, then I'll admit your great.

xXSecksXx

pulchritudinous-pixi

Is that you?

This is on deviantart, yet it can hardly be called "abstract."

"Abstract" is supposed to be unrecognizable. Faces are recognizable.

Isn't it strange that 95% of the pieces of art in the abstract category of deviantart aren't even abstract?

That drawing really isn't that great either, well, it's not bad, but ...

I have a hunch that you judge art based on how "realistic" it looks and not just on how good it is.

An artwork can be good, but if it doesn't look "realistic" to you, then you don't think it's that "good."

Just because an artwork looks realistic doesn't make it good.

Good art is about the impact it makes. The intensity of it, the sincerity of it. The FEELING off it.

This drawing is kind of boring. It's arbitrary, the profile of a person's face, random emotion faces, some flowers, etc.

There's no real rhyme or reason to it, it's just "random," "arbitrary."

The faces are well-done, but as a whole, it's not that great.

You sound like your speaking snippets from some art critics web page.

I like artists, my brother is one. I would like to think myself as one but i'm quite skilled enough or even qualified. I draw freehand only and because of my lack of time spent towards the hobby, I have trouble getting body proportions correct. I can't draw straight to paper, i've always used a computer because I rely on the ability to edit and correct my work.

Ever since humanity has been capable of higher-level thought, we have sought ways of expressing our individuality. Remove expression, remove humanity.

Ever since humanity has been capable of higher-level thought, we have sought ways of expressing our individuality. Remove expression, remove humanity.

foxhound_fox

No, that's what I was saying.

I don't think any particular painting is necessary for survival, but the "emotional stimulation" that it provides IS.

I have always had to deal with my own cenundrum.

I am a very good drawer and very artistic and creative and original and charasmatic and powerfuland everything that a good artist is.

Yet, I have always kind of hated my gift because I always felt like it wasn't good for anything, like my gift could only lead to a luxary, but not a necessity.

I always explained to people tha I thought art was useless and they said "no it's not, people need to feel human" and I always disagreed with them and wanted my talent to be something like science where I thought it was useful and beneficial.

To me, art wasn't necessary, because it's not really 'necessary' to have a painting hanging on a wall. A painting never treated cancer or built a bridge.

I always felt guilty for being good at something that I thought was useless, too easy.

However, it's not that I was wrong or that the people that disagreed with me were wrong, we were both right in our own way, which led me to this conclusion:

"Art as a painting or a sculpture isn't necessary, but EMOTIONAL STIMULATION is."

Music has always been so important to me, because it soothed my head and caressed my demons and I emotionally connected to it so strongly.

It's that EMOTIONAL CONNECTION that good art conveys that is necessary for a person, not necessarily the art itself. It doesn't have to be a painting to be 'art,' it can be music, a book, a poem, a drawing or painting, an idea, SOMETHING that causes the person to make a sincere connection, causes them to 'awe' in its beauty.

So now I don't feel guilty for being a good artist, because someday I hope to sincerely inspire or have someone take refuge in the power of MY work, like I have done in the music of my favorite bands, that wereable tocause that 'STIR'within me.

im_really_rich

Art is the single factor that differentiates those that care about art from those that would rather use it as a superficial medium to justify their own selfish motives in life. Art is NOT an engine used by the rich to justify their bogus actions. Art is an expression of isolated individuals to elucidate their view (or discontent) of the world as they see it. It is the most basic tool of expression, yet it is also the most abused mode of political or capitalistic expression. Buy my product because it appeals to the lowest common denominator...BULL...Do the marketing "powers that be" really think the "public" is that gullible?

art has many forms whether it's through sounds, visualization or both. I believe art is needed because it takes away from the stress of todays society and allows one to unwind. If a stressed out individual wasn't allowed to unwind they would probably snap (AS I have done before.)

art has many forms whether it's through sounds, visualization or both. I believe art is needed because it takes away from the stress of todays society and allows one to unwind. If a stressed out individual wasn't allowed to unwind they would probably snap (AS I have done before.)

BumFluff122

You seem more like the type to snap under the slightest cause or reason. I hope you wont do this.

You seem more like the type to snap under the slightest cause or reason. I hope you wont do this.

jazzkrotch

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

You seem more like the type to snap under the slightest cause or reason. I hope you wont do this.

BumFluff122

I don't. I can only rely on gut instinct. Am I wrong?

I don't. I can only rely on gut instinct. Am I wrong?

jazzkrotch

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

I don't. I can only rely on gut instinct. Am I wrong?

BumFluff122

One works from the evidence one has...we both know the "interwebz" is a devious and misleading beast.

One works from the evidence one has...we both know the "interwebz" is a devious and misleading beast.

jazzkrotch

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

One works from the evidence one has...we both know the "interwebz" is a devious and misleading beast.

BumFluff122

I rely on the spontaneity of OT for my entertainment when I am drunk, so don't take it personally. Statistics would dictate that I only frequent GS about once a week. I need to retire to the crapper for a fat one, so I will be back in about ten minutes.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

One works from the evidence one has...we both know the "interwebz" is a devious and misleading beast.

jazzkrotch

I rely on the spontaneity of OT for my entertainment when I am drunk, so don't take it personally. Statistics would dictate that I only frequent GS about once a week. I need to retire to the crapper for a fat one, so I will be back in about ten minutes.

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I agree. Everyone on the internet is a loose cannon of sorts. I mean look at all the people that post in SW. They are all loose cannons and I use to be one of them. Thankfully I got out of that lifestyle before it completly tore me apart. However I fear others won't be as lucky and many are too far gone to bew saved

BumFluff122

I rely on the spontaneity of OT for my entertainment when I am drunk, so don't take it personally. Statistics would dictate that I only frequent GS about once a week. I need to retire to the crapper for a fat one, so I will be back in about ten minutes.

I just puked blood everywhere. I get the feeling that my time left on this Earth is very limited...

I just puked blood everywhere. I get the feeling that my time left on this Earth is very limited...

jazzkrotch

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

I just puked blood everywhere. I get the feeling that my time left on this Earth is very limited...

BumFluff122

This was most unexpected, as I just turned vegan two weeks ago. I'm too drunk to seek or care about medical help. F**k it.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

I just puked blood everywhere. I get the feeling that my time left on this Earth is very limited...

jazzkrotch

This was most unexpected, as I just turned vegan two weeks ago. I'm too drunk to seek or care about medical help. F**k it.

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]My roommate does that every once in awhile. I would suggest calling the hospital.

BumFluff122

This was most unexpected, as I just turned vegan two weeks ago. I'm too drunk to seek or care about medical help. F**k it.

I just puked as if I drank a gallon of red wine, except I am drinking a bottle of Vodka. This can't be good. Last I knew I did not have an ulcer, but it has been over a year since I have seen a doctor.

I just puked as if I drank a gallon of red wine, except I am drinking a bottle of Vodka. This can't be good. Last I knew I did not have an ulcer, but it has been over a year since I have seen a doctor.

jazzkrotch

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

I just puked as if I drank a gallon of red wine, except I am drinking a bottle of Vodka. This can't be good. Last I knew I did not have an ulcer, but it has been over a year since I have seen a doctor.

BumFluff122

I will take your advice, but this crap can wait till tomorrow. After I puked, i feel supersonic, give me gin and tonic!!!!

I am my own worst enemy, I know.

I will take your advice, but this crap can wait till tomorrow. After I puked, i feel supersonic, give me gin and tonic!!!!

jazzkrotch

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

I will take your advice, but this crap can wait till tomorrow. After I puked, i feel supersonic, give me gin and tonic!!!!

BumFluff122

I appreciate your advice, but when you are as tanked as I am right now, it does not matter until I sober up. Jesus, IM's start flooding in. Maybe I just have an ulcer as you suggested. I WILL LIVE PEOPLE! I f***ing better!

I appreciate your advice, but when you are as tanked as I am right now, it does not matter until I sober up. Jesus, IM's start flooding in. Maybe I just have an ulcer as you suggested. I WILL LIVE PEOPLE! I f***ing better!

jazzkrotch

[QUOTE="jazzkrotch"]

I appreciate your advice, but when you are as tanked as I am right now, it does not matter until I sober up. Jesus, IM's start flooding in. Maybe I just have an ulcer as you suggested. I WILL LIVE PEOPLE! I f***ing better!

BumFluff122

I will go eventually, but goodnight in the meantime...

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Ever since humanity has been capable of higher-level thought, we have sought ways of expressing our individuality. Remove expression, remove humanity.

im_really_rich

No, that's what I was saying.

I don't think any particular painting is necessary for survival, but the "emotional stimulation" that it provides IS.

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Ever since humanity has been capable of higher-level thought, we have sought ways of expressing our individuality. Remove expression, remove humanity.

Lonelynight

No, that's what I was saying.

I don't think any particular painting is necessary for survival, but the "emotional stimulation" that it provides IS.

Much like for sick people medicine is necessary because they serve the purpose to relieve. Just because relief is necessary, medicine is too. You can't say that sick people are not actually in need of medicine, and that they are only in need of relief. Those two are intertwined, much like art is intertwined with emotions ;)