That's a satanist, not an atheistOnly thing I hate about the Atheists I know is that they curse God and all that crap, but they worship the devil/Satan. And they do not believe in God.
Like , your atheist, you do not believe in the devil according to you.
Snakemaster9
I have 5 questions about atheism beliefs...
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I used to get "offended" when self proclaimed athiests would make assenine statements about those who have faith. But I realized long ago that whatever anyone else believes or does not believe, it really has no affect on my relationship with God (for lack of a better way to describe it). I live in NY and even taking religion out of the equation, there is no shortage of people being offensive for the sake of being offensive. Sticks and stones, as they say.
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Only thing I hate about the Atheists I know is that they curse God and all that crap, but they worship the devil/Satan. And they do not believe in God.
Like , your atheist, you do not believe in the devil according to you.
TINYOWNSYOU
Lol, you're saying that Atheists worship the devil?!
No, I said the "Atheists" I know, that SAY they are atheist, worship the devil. I keep telling them thats not athiest, that satanic, but oh well.
I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human ) Evoloution is not something you believe, it's something to understand. I understand evoloution
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart? No, I'm atheist and my ex was Muslim
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?No
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?To be a helpful person. If you think you need to belive in a deity to be a resonable and respectful person something is wrong with your thinking.
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?The prophets would have existed but not with the powers people claim them to have. My guess is that they understood things beyond the primitive understandings of early humans.
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
Sign-Number-Two
I'm pretty sure this isn't directed at me but... I'm not bothered personally by his remarks I just thought I'd call him on it... At the end of the day no one's going to change the what they believe because of our debates... I call people on a lot of stuff here in OT but if I'm not bothered the people irl that tell call me even worst stuff then I think I can handle the internet hate...I used to get "offended" when self proclaimed athiests would make assenine statements about those who have faith. But I realized long ago that whatever anyone else believes or does not believe, it really has no affect on my relationship with God (for lack of a better way to describe it). I live in NY and even taking religion out of the equation, there is no shortage of people being offensive for the sake of being offensive. Sticks and stones, as they say.
YellowOneKinobi
I'm atheist, and I hate other atheists who try to offend religious people. While I don't agree with your beliefs, I'm not going to make fun of you for it. Atheists who do that are complete hypocrites.I used to get "offended" when self proclaimed athiests would make assenine statements about those who have faith. But I realized long ago that whatever anyone else believes or does not believe, it really has no affect on my relationship with God (for lack of a better way to describe it). I live in NY and even taking religion out of the equation, there is no shortage of people being offensive for the sake of being offensive. Sticks and stones, as they say.
YellowOneKinobi
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="Sign-Number-Two"]2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?ilikedrit2. lol no, I do not consider the religious folks out there retards. Just brainwashed, to an extent, maybe misguided; the only real reason they believe in their faith is because they were told to from a young age (unless they are born again). Either way, they believe in their faith through no fault of their own. Being told to believe in a faith from a young age, or teaching religion to someone of young age, does not force them to believe in it. My dad is a Christian, and he used to take me to Church and "CCD" (part-time religious school that occurred once a week), but like many atheists, I decided for myself long before the age of 10 that this religion in general was a bunch of BS, particularly due to the severe lack of evidence for certain premises. Anyone who actually pays attention to the world instead of listening to what others tell them should have minimal trouble deciding their own beliefs, regardless of whether religion was forced upon them or not. There is evidence to suggest that the average atheist has a higher IQ than the average religious person. Take what you will from it, but personally I think that IQ is correlated with intelligence, and intelligence with one's own capability of analyzing the world efficiently and making independent decisions based on such an analysis, which may translate into a greater likelihood to escape forced religion.
very true, and I did not mean to generalize. I was simply trying to say that children are both more receptive, and more trusting, than adults, and as a result it is easier to thrust faith in God and religion on them. Over the years, this turns to habit and instinct, eventually to the point where questioning your religion is simply not part of who you are.
Perhaps "brainwashing" was a poor choice of words; I didnt mean it as a negative, I just thought it was the only word appropriate.
Some, like yourself, are fortunate enough to free themselves fromthis.
As for higher IQs, I dont know and dont care about that. I know plenty of smart religious people (surgeons, lawyers, professors, etc), and plenty of amazing feats (the Pyramids, amazing cathedrals and churches) have been performed strictly due to religion. I in no way meant to offend or imply that religious people were of lower intellect.
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Ah, I'm glad we have someone who has gone into the past and knows weather these people were right or wrong. :roll:
And really, if your gonna go around calling people who believe in a God schizophrenic, please just keep it to yourself because you come off as pretentious.
XaosII
So am i just to assume they are right? They speak about their own belief with absolute certainty. And yes, anyone that beleives in the supernatural is simply out of touch with reality.
Its a fairly common issue. Some non religious examples: many people often feel like the world is against them, or people that feel they are entitled to something because of who they are. Those people are out of touch with reality. Beleiving in an afterlife, some god-like being as existing, etc - is someone who is out of touch with reality. Many people find it comforting not to deal with the reality or to justify their reasonings.
Uh, no, I never said to assume they are right. And to say that someone is out of touch of reality because of a belief is ignorant. Just because I believe in a God doesn't mean I don't have to deal with reality. Seriously, where do you people come up with this stuff?
I don't get these questions, Atheism is just not believing in super deities ... nothing more.
I am a Humanist Naturalist and by all accounts an "Atheist" so do I believe in evolution? Yes... you can't even deny evolution it is a fact not a "belief" now if you want to believe we came from monkeys then that is your opinion. But we only have a genetic relation to them which means at one time we were both the same species and somewhere along the lines we split off. This generally occurs with migration/climate shifts. Evolution is mainly a phase of adaptation to our surroundings, and sometimes random useless genetic mutation. Evolution in itself may also be random, the fittest survive thus making their traits more dominant than the decendants traits.
Anyway, do I believe Jesus existed? No, there was never any evidence of that nor will there ever be.
Do I believe in the afterlife? No, we are all molecules so if you want to believe that our molecules will always exist in one shape or form then you can take that as an afterlife.
What are Atheists motives? Again... Atheism isn't a religion, it isn't a collective group with the same exact belief system. If you want to know my belief system then that is fine. It is strict ethics, not based in emotion. For example how do peoples actions adversely effect others? So if person A is interfering in person B's rights as a human being then person A is acting in an unethical manner. However if person B has a life choice that their own choice and effects no one else, and person A is bothered by it, then person A is acting unethically as well.
Now your issue is you were born under the distinction that everyone has a collective will. In most cases ( even in christianity ) that is not true.
I'm more agnostic, but I'll answer anyway. 1. I don't know what I believe, really. We could have been a subspecies that was similar to monkeys but not directly related. I just assume there's a scientific explanation for everything and I'm not a scientist so I won't try to understand it. I just know that assuming a person popped out of nothingness is illogical and until there is undeniable proof that that is what happened, I'm going to assume it was all science. 2. No, I have respect for those who hold religion dear to them because they want some sort of security blanket. Life is scary, death is scary. I can't blame anyone for wanting to feel secure. It's the ones who shove stuff down other people's throats that bother me. 3. I want to believe in an afterlife, but I don't know if I do. I'm open to the idea of ghosts and I'm open to the idea of spirits in a spirit world, whether it be heaven-like or not so much. I want to believe there's somebody out there looking out for us, but I think my idea of a god fits more like Zeus in Hercules than Jesus. 4. My motivation is to spread a little happy. I was raised as a polite person and doing things for others is just what I do. The world sucks, it's full of sadness. Just do something to make somebody else smile when you can. 5. Again, I'm not sure. I'm more open to ghosts and stuff than I am other things, maybe because I watch too much tv or because it seems to make more sense. I believe in mediums and the like if ghosts are real, because they are not all powerful and need somebody to translate. A god is all powerful, why does he need prophets to tell other people stuff? Just explode through the clouds and say it yourself. I don't know whether Jesus existed, but I think if he didn't and is just a story, it's still a nice story.XilePrincess
WOW..pretty much sums up how I feel right there...My problem lies in those with close minds. Unwilling to just accept we know nothing about our past or our future. We go by books but anyone at any time could have wrote anything at all down. I say...lets just wait our turns and see..:)
- Yes, I believe in evolution/evolutionary biology.
- I don't consider theists to be mentally handicapped. I understand that people, for reasons of their own, to need the idea of the existence of a higher power in their lives.
- I personally do not believe in the existence of a God or an afterlife. As bleak as it is, I believe once we die, that's it.
- Because it's usually the right thing to do. Even when I identified myself as a Catholic, I never justified completing good deeds as a requirement for being Catholic. It's the human thing to do.
- I consider each respective religions prophets to be philosophers. Much like how I consider people like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Daniel Dennett to be contemporary philosophers. It is entirely possible that Jesus Christ existed.
I don't know if I would fully identify myself as an Atheist. I'd say I'm more of a secular humanist.
I will say this... Logically speaking and as far as Jesus Christ and Christianity goes, why would all of his apostles defend his teachings down to their last breath? No sane person would follow a man and defend them with their own life unless they saw something truly supernatural (Easter). All they had to do to live was just retract their statements, but they didn't and it was for a reason... I'd like to think the apostles were at least of average intelligence and wouldn't be easily fooled, or at least not believe in a con/lie for their entire life.
I myself am Christian, and no it's not because my parents are and I followed, or because I lack knowledge in the scientific field. I have personally witnessed incredible things and have had prayers answered before, things that would be considered impossible. Honestly it wasn't until recently that I truly believed that God was real without a doubt, and I now understand why bad things happen, and why things are the way they are. I can sympathize with atheists and agnostics, I get their viewpoint, I really do, but at some point they really need to take a step back and really think about everything and try to have an open mind and heart about there being something more then reductionism, matter, and this ideaof "chance and randomosity"..
Tens of thousands of people are scientologists and will defend their beliefs vehemently.I will say this... Logically speaking and as far as Jesus Christ and Christianity goes, why would all of his apostles defend his teachings down to their last breath? No sane person would follow a man and defend them with their own life unless they saw something truly supernatural (Easter).
karasill
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
No, most believe we share a common ancestor.
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
Some do, but I don't. You can't really lump one group together like that.
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
Atheism = not believing in a god.
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
For me personally, I like it when people are happy because of something I did.
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I believe they lived and that they thought they were whatever they said they were.
*gets popcorn*
1. No, we did not evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor, but yes, it is scientific fact that we evolved. 2. Depends, just like it depends with Atheists. But believing is something based off of nothing makes me wonder sometimes. 3. There's nothing after death in the soul sense. 4. ethics, empathy, I'd like to note, that Atheists commit a disproportionately low number of crimes compared to their population. 5. Jesus existence is pretty shaky at best. There' really isn't much evidence for it, probably most rational to not take a decisive stance on that without more info....I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
Sign-Number-Two
1. I believe that we are evolved from a common primate ancestor and while a monkey is a primate, a primate is not a monkey; it embodies quite a few different species and their subsets. 2. I do not view theists as retards, lol. I respect their beliefs as I would expect them to respect mine. The only problem I have is with Bible thumpers who make it their duty to force their religion upon others while telling you that you will burn in Hell for not agreeing with them. 3. I don't believe in God in the traditional worshiper's sense of the word. I believe that God is a feeling more than an entity and that, if anything, we are all gods in our own right. 4. I feel good when I do good things and I feel badly when I do bad things. Simple. 5. I'm not sure about this one. Of course there is a possibility that they could have existed and had a huge impact on peoples' lives but they were obviously exaggerated to tell a good story.I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
Sign-Number-Two
I will say this... Logically speaking and as far as Jesus Christ and Christianity goes, why would all of his apostles defend his teachings down to their last breath? No sane person would follow a man and defend them with their own life unless they (think or believe they) saw something truly supernatural (Easter). karasillPeople defend their beliefs all the time whether for supernatural reasons or not. And wouldn't it be more praiseworthy to defend Jesus' teachings rather than his supposed divinity? I don't even think it is worth mentioning "mass hypnosis." Let alone the fact Jesus may not have died on the cross and just came out of a comatose state in the tomb.
I killed my Atheism recently. I understand it all makes sense. The world cannot be a scientific accident. Everything's so perfect... Just look at the human body. It all just works with each other and reproduces as if it were designed like that intentionatly. (Don't bring up diseases, please. You'll cnfuse the matter).
But the answer to those questions about atheism were answered already heaps of times.
[QUOTE="karasill"]I will say this... Logically speaking and as far as Jesus Christ and Christianity goes, why would all of his apostles defend his teachings down to their last breath? No sane person would follow a man and defend them with their own life unless they (think or believe they) saw something truly supernatural (Easter). foxhound_foxPeople defend their beliefs all the time whether for supernatural reasons or not. And wouldn't it be more praiseworthy to defend Jesus' teachings rather than his supposed divinity? I don't even think it is worth mentioning "mass hypnosis." Let alone the fact Jesus may not have died on the cross and just came out of a comatose state in the tomb. With two guards standing out side the tomb? I don't think so.
I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
Sign-Number-Two
I really need to make a copy/paste file for these threads...
1. Evolution. We may not have been direct descendants of monkeys but maybe some other form of them. It's this idea vs. a guy made dudes, then took a rib from the dude and made a chick. (Christian belief system exclusively)
2. No not usually. It's when they make their entire group of believers look bad that I start to really judge them. I give respect when I get respect. I've done forums with my atheist group theories vs. another religious group and we both respected each other enough to carry on civil conversations. Like I said before, people have to be open to criticism if they want to be truly open to discussion and a lot of religious people aren't. (Generalization, but I stick by it.)
3. No God, no afterlife, no pearly gates, etc.
4. Nothing outside of being a social pariah. I've known **** on both sides of the argument so it doesn't really matter what you believe, it's who you are that determines your deeds and actions for or against others.
5. I don't know if Jesus existed. He probably did in one way or another, but as was stated by someone else, I don't think he was Superman. He probably just did some cool stuff for people and that got blown completely out of proportion.
I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
Sign-Number-Two
I think they're all ridiculous generalisations, IMO.
With two guards standing out side the tomb? I don't think so.alexside1The tomb was empty, people saw him later, and Thomas touched him. Doesn't seem that implausible. A lot less implausible than the supernatural explanation. And the Bible says he "died" in no more than 9 hours, which a crucifixion usually takes days to cause death. Are you seriously saying that a reasonable, non-supernatural explanation isn't admissible? Hell, the guys who went into the tomb with his body brought healing herbs ("aloes") with them, not embalming herbs. And this is all in the Bible that added the resurrection story into Matthew 200 years after it was originally written. Why is it implausible that Jesus was just a man with a very compassionate teaching and faked his death to avoid capture at the hands of the Romans so he could spend the rest of his life with Mary in seclusion and raise a family? Why is the 1700 year-old myth the only acceptable explanation?
[QUOTE="alexside1"] With two guards standing out side the tomb? I don't think so.foxhound_foxThe tomb was empty, people saw him later, and Thomas touched him. Doesn't seem that implausible. A lot less implausible than the supernatural explanation. And the Bible says he "died" in no more than 9 hours, which a crucifixion usually takes days to cause death. Are you seriously saying that a reasonable, non-supernatural explanation isn't admissible? Hell, the guys who went into the tomb with his body brought healing herbs ("aloes") with them, not embalming herbs. And this is all in the Bible that added the resurrection story into Matthew 200 years after it was originally written. Why is it implausible that Jesus was just a man with a very compassionate teaching and faked his death to avoid capture at the hands of the Romans so he could spend the rest of his life with Mary in seclusion and raise a family? Why is the 1700 year-old myth the only acceptable explanation? wait, the ressurection story was added 200 years later?
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[QUOTE="Sign-Number-Two"]
I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
thegerg
I think they're all ridiculous generalisations, IMO.
What are ridiculous generalizations, his questions? I probably phrased it incorrectly, I just think that it's impossible to answer those questions, as not all 'atheists' are the same; this also applies to Theists. We interpret things differently, so my motivation may be completely different to another's motivations. You can't really answer them properly.I'll try to answer these questions to the best of my ability. All my answers are from personal beliefs and do not reflect any other Atheists/Agnostics besides myself. I tried to break it up so it wasn't one big mess 8)I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
Sign-Number-Two
1. I have an understanding of Evolution and all of the Science behind it. I have read Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species and The Descent of Man and I conclude the human race has evolved from primates. The very first human, in my belief, was not just one human, but a collection of creatures evolving. An entire race evolving if that makes sense.
Charles Darwin had one of, if not, the single greatest ideas in human history. It shocked the world when he published his first work and if you have the time, I do recommend you to read it in its entirety.
2. I have no problem with people believing in a God, or even God's for that matter. The problem starts when people try to cram the belief of a God down my throat and then tell me I am wrong in my beliefs. I have friends who are: Catholic, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, and many other religions. Not once do they try and impose their beliefs on me in any fashion. We have intelligent conversations about religion and everything which follows. I respect them fully for believing in a God. It is their right to do so and I would never infringe on that human right.
I see people once a month on the campus of my University and they hold up signs saying we are all going to hell if we do not repent and accept Jesus Christ as our savior. These people irritate me to the fullest extent. Belief is one thing, but this is another. Then I see people ripping signs down on the billboards at school that have to do with the Agnostic Group on campus. We all need to learn tolerance towards others and their beliefs, not intolerance. It saddens me to see people act in such a way. So in short, yes, I respect people who believe in a God.
3. Atheist do not believe in a God or an afterlife. I am actually that of an Agnostic because I am always open to all possibilities. I do not believe there is a God, but I also do not deny the existence of one. I believe it is not our place to know if there is one, and we most likely will not know until we die. What lies after death is a strange road and it can be hard to ponder on this notion.
As of now, I am in the middle because for something to be impossible, it limits the creativity of our minds and of the Universe itself. We can all see from history that anything is possible. Just look at the leap in technology since the Industrial Revolution. It is simple amazing.
4. What is my motivation to do good deeds? Well this is a question for the philosophers to answer. Some people say without religion, we would be in chaos. That religion gives us the motive to do good in the world. Well, the question should actually be where does morality stem? Is it a product of religion, our environment, or maybe it is a humanistic emotion and concept. I do good because I feel it is right. Granted, I was raised to do good, and so were my parents and their parents, and so the cycle continues.
Recently, scientists have gone into remote areas of the Rain forest and other areas where "uncivilized" tribes still remain. They wanted to see how their culture was and how they lived. To their surprise, most of them lived in a "good" manner. They did not kill for fun, or beat people. They lived in accordance to how they thought the world should be lived. Now, most of them had some sort of Religion they abide by, but before religion came to that area there were people. Those people created their own religion out of human instincts, nothing else.
5. From what I know about Jesus Christ and his life, I believe he did not exist. Let me explain. There are many stories of miracle workers throughout human history and some of them have been regarded as prophets. The problem with the story of Jesus is that it is not an original one. As a matter of fact, the entire story was told more than 1,000 years before the time of Christ and there have also been many stories before Christ which have some very similar details.
The one story I am talking about in particular is that of the Egyptian God Horus. There is too much to type here, so here is a link to read up on the similarities between the God's. Here is once excerpt:
There is a near consensus that Yeshua [Jesus] was born circa 4 to 7 BCE. By that time, stories from the life of Horus had been circulating for centuries before. Ifany copying occurred by the writers of the Egyptian or Christian religions, it was the myths and legends of Horus that were incorporated into Jesus' biography, not vice-versa.Jesus and Horus
Here is the link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm
All in all religion is a very touchy subject for many. I do not hide my beliefs and will talk about them to any. I promise you if we ever converse, I will not bash you or your belief, I will simply ask questions. Hope this answers your questions.
wait, the ressurection story was added 200 years later?CaveJohnson1The original Matthew manuscript did not contain any mention of Jesus coming back from the dead. It just ended with his death. The parts about him coming back to life were added in around the time the Bible was compiled ay the council of Nicea. At that time, they also picked and chose which books were included in the Bible, out of probably hundreds. Only two of the 12 apostles have books in the canonical Bible. And in the Gnostic tradition, there are gospels attributed to both Mary Magdalene and Judas Iscariot. We were given the Cliff Notes version of Jesus' life and teachings in the Bible... and we'll never know what really happened because his divinity was more important than his life and teachings. At least in Buddhism and Islam, they tried to record absolutely everything the teachers said, despite it being modified and altered after their deaths.
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?Sign-Number-TwoTo be a good human being? Just because we don't believe in God doesn't mean we don't care about humanity. It's pretty selfish to need Heaven as motivation. You're only worried about putting yourself in a good position in the afterlife rather than doing good just for the sake of it.
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human?
I believe we have evolved as one branch distantly related to the Higher Apes. (I actually do Archaeology and have seen all the skeletons of the animals that are claimed to bridge this gap and it is pretty much scientificly recognised as fact now only the order and rate of occurance is debated)
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
I respect them if they actual stick to the beliefs but most do not aswell as that most I've meet havn't read the bible (Something I did as a memeber of the Boys Brigade for 15 years a church based organisation I was a leader in and is the primary reason I don't believe in a judeo/chrisitan God) and havn't accuratly read anything that goes against what there told inchurch and cherry pick scientific information to suit their needs.
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
I believe in no god or afterlife.
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
Alturism, humanism (Something observered in other species aswell). This is the only planet we have (As opposed to the chrisitan idea of one in the afterlife) so I want us to treat it better for future generations.
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I think some of them may exist however they wereHilusination or schizophrenic (or a variation of other mental illnesses). On the Issue of Jesus I think hes the amalgamaion of many diffrent stories of various diffrent characters from the same time period.
Only thing I hate about the Atheists I know is that they curse God and all that crap, but they worship the devil/Satan. Snakemaster9This makes no sense. If we don't believe in God, why would we believe in the Devil? You can't have one without the other. Before you spew ignorant nonsense you should probably make sure you know what you're talking about.
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
Yes. We share a common ancestor with monkeys and apes. However, just because you're an Atheist doesn't automatically mean you believe the theory of evolution, but it just happens that most people do, since it is scientific fact. Atheism is a lack of belief in God, nothing more.
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
Being religious doesn't automatically make you stupid. There are as many stupid and ignorant theists as there are atheists.
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
Atheism is the lack of belief in a God. What you're suggesting is closer to Agnosticism.
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
Self-esteem, approval and recognition, emotional and/or material reward, to contribute to a functioning society... "Treat others as you would like to be treated" springs to mind.
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I believe that (at least some of) these people existed, but that they were not "prophets". I believe Jesus existed, but not that he was the son of God.
[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"] wait, the ressurection story was added 200 years later?foxhound_foxThe original Matthew manuscript did not contain any mention of Jesus coming back from the dead. It just ended with his death. The parts about him coming back to life were added in around the time the Bible was compiled ay the council of Nicea. At that time, they also picked and chose which books were included in the Bible, out of probably hundreds. Only two of the 12 apostles have books in the canonical Bible. And in the Gnostic tradition, there are gospels attributed to both Mary Magdalene and Judas Iscariot. We were given the Cliff Notes version of Jesus' life and teachings in the Bible... and we'll never know what really happened because his divinity was more important than his life and teachings. At least in Buddhism and Islam, they tried to record absolutely everything the teachers said, despite it being modified and altered after their deaths.That's interesting, where did u learn that?
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"] wait, the ressurection story was added 200 years later?CaveJohnson1The original Matthew manuscript did not contain any mention of Jesus coming back from the dead. It just ended with his death. The parts about him coming back to life were added in around the time the Bible was compiled ay the council of Nicea. At that time, they also picked and chose which books were included in the Bible, out of probably hundreds. Only two of the 12 apostles have books in the canonical Bible. And in the Gnostic tradition, there are gospels attributed to both Mary Magdalene and Judas Iscariot. We were given the Cliff Notes version of Jesus' life and teachings in the Bible... and we'll never know what really happened because his divinity was more important than his life and teachings. At least in Buddhism and Islam, they tried to record absolutely everything the teachers said, despite it being modified and altered after their deaths.That's interesting, where did u learn that?
It's in the BBC Documentary The History of Christianity by an Oxbridge lecturer (Can't remember his name but it's on Iplayer still I think) aswell as various literartures.
That's interesting, where did u learn that?[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] The original Matthew manuscript did not contain any mention of Jesus coming back from the dead. It just ended with his death. The parts about him coming back to life were added in around the time the Bible was compiled ay the council of Nicea. At that time, they also picked and chose which books were included in the Bible, out of probably hundreds. Only two of the 12 apostles have books in the canonical Bible. And in the Gnostic tradition, there are gospels attributed to both Mary Magdalene and Judas Iscariot. We were given the Cliff Notes version of Jesus' life and teachings in the Bible... and we'll never know what really happened because his divinity was more important than his life and teachings. At least in Buddhism and Islam, they tried to record absolutely everything the teachers said, despite it being modified and altered after their deaths.MattDistillery
It's in the BBC Documentary The History of Christianity by an Oxbridge lecturer (Can't remember his name but it's on Iplayer still I think) aswell as various literartures.
Interesting, I know that the book of eve war removed in the 12th century or something, but doesn't the fact that the resurrection added later on basically disprove the religion? At least from modern interpretations?
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I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
stanleycup98
1) Yeah, and so should you. Most theists also believe in evolution. Or, at least, theists in an educated country. Evolution is essentially fact, and if you deny it, then you are just completely ignorant.
2) Only if they don't believe in evolution. Why would I hate theists? I respect what anyone wants to believe.
3) No, atheists don't believe in God. What part of the atheism don't you understand? As for an afterlife, no. You die, and you die. That's it. Your biological processes stop working, and you cease to exist. Maybe there is a dream like state created in the mind for a bit after you are dead, but not for too long.
4) Because they are good deeds? What other reasoning do you need? I do what I want because it is good to do it, not because I am scared I will spend eternity burning in hell if I don't.
5) Depends on the prophet. I believe Jesus existed. Especially since there is tons of evidence he existed. I don't believe in what he taught, but I wouldn't call him a liar. He taught what he believed, and as long as he didn't do it to manipulate others, I see nothing wrong with that.
^ this x10000I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? Yup and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? Foolish. ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard Yup or they have respect for them in the heart?
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife Yup, we don't or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds? Nothing, we just do them anyways because it'd be a pretty lousy world if we were all douchebags
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? LSD users? Yes, Prophets? No? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all? Either, he did exist, and he was argueably the best troll in history, or he didn't exist at all
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
Sign-Number-Two
To put it bluntly in red
[...] but doesn't the fact that the resurrection added later on basically disprove the religion? At least from modern interpretations?CaveJohnson1It may from an historical perspective, but since when does accepting the risen Christ allow one the ability to turn the other cheek, or act with complete selflessness? That is my whole point... in a modern, secular society, it should be the values and ideas that carry us, not the superstition and dogma. And Jesus the man definitely had a lot of good ideas, even when lost among a sea of supernaturalisms. We should seek the truth and what is of value, and drop whatever clouds the truth, or causes confusion and divisiveness. We should rely on ourselves to reach our goals, not the sayings of others, but our own abilities to choose what to follow and what to reject. And never just accept something without putting it to the test.
I know I can find the answer for most of these questions by simply searching the net, but I don't want to read long text walls or visiting numerous websites and also I want to know about different opinions ,so I decided to ask them here:
1. Do atheists really think we humans are evolved version of monkeys? and if not, what do they think about the creation of the very first human? ( I don't say the universe to prevent making things complicated. so only answer about the creation of the first human )
2. Do atheists consider theists as some kind of retard or they have respect for them in the heart?
3. Do atheist believe in no God and afterlife or they just don't believe in them the way theists do?
4. What is an atheist's motivation to do good deeds?
5. Do atheist believe in the existence of prophets? I mean do atheists think Jesus Christ existed, but was a liar or they believe there was no such person at all?
I think that's enough for now.and also if you only want to answer only one of these questions, feel free to do it. It's not necessary to answer all of them at once.
Thanks in advance.
Sign-Number-Two
1. We evolved from apes (and not the ones we have today).
2. I don't think theists are retarded, but I see many of them as simple minded.
3. I believe in learning and trying to understand existence.
4. Bad deeds are generally destructive and convey negative emotions. I would rather contribute to this society than destroy it.
5. I don't see any evidence for his existence other than that book. We don't really know for sure, just like we don't know if Socrates existed for sure. Jesus may have existed, but I am positive he did not have magical powers.
Im an agnostic
1)Anyone who says this clearly doesnt understand how evolution works. Do some reading on it.
2)Not retarded, just close minded.
3)Depends on the person. Some do, some dont.
4)Doing good for the sake of doing good not for some reward later in life.
5)I believe Jesus existed, just not in the way that he was portrayed.
Watch this to see how atheists see the world
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