I just have a question about religion.

In the church I go to, someone said it was interesting, that there is this trend, where if you talked about God, and Jesus, that other people, i guess in places like universities, would be quick to criticize it, scoff at it, talk about it as if it were the stupidest thing to believe in, while at the same time, if you talked about Islam, Buddhism, or other religions, you don't receive as bad disrespect and criticism. Do you guys see this happen, also? I mean, I might be a little off, but people on OT are quick to look down on the concept of "God." But what about Allah, or Buddah, or whatever other religious figures out there? I dunno, this is just something that came to mind. So, OT? What do you think? Do you guys even think that what I'm saying is really going on?

Not really. Never had any problems discussing religions for academic purpose.

I think one of the reason many people are so quick to put down Christianity is because people think they know the most about it and feel "comfortable" disregarding it. Not so about other religions

Well, Allah is God. The Abrahamic God of Christianity is the same as the Abrahamic God of Islam and Judaism. Also, I have never experienced this as a widespread phenomena. Of course, it happens but never once have I felt that people, especially those of higher education, simply laugh at the idea of religion.clayron

[QUOTE="clayron"]Well, Allah is God. The Abrahamic God of Christianity is the same as the Abrahamic God of Islam and Judaism. Also, I have never experienced this as a widespread phenomena. Of course, it happens but never once have I felt that people, especially those of higher education, simply laugh at the idea of religion.hydralisk86

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="clayron"]Well, Allah is God. The Abrahamic God of Christianity is the same as the Abrahamic God of Islam and Judaism. Also, I have never experienced this as a widespread phenomena. Of course, it happens but never once have I felt that people, especially those of higher education, simply laugh at the idea of religion.clayron

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="clayron"]Well, Allah is God. The Abrahamic God of Christianity is the same as the Abrahamic God of Islam and Judaism. Also, I have never experienced this as a widespread phenomena. Of course, it happens but never once have I felt that people, especially those of higher education, simply laugh at the idea of religion.clayron

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="clayron"]Well, Allah is God. The Abrahamic God of Christianity is the same as the Abrahamic God of Islam and Judaism. Also, I have never experienced this as a widespread phenomena. Of course, it happens but never once have I felt that people, especially those of higher education, simply laugh at the idea of religion.clayron

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="hydralisk86"] The God of Islam may be similar to the Christian or Jewish God, but there are differences. Msulims don't believe Jesus died for mankind's sins, but Christians believe he did.hydralisk86

In the church I go to, someone said it was interesting, that there is this trend, where if you talked about God, and Jesus, that other people, i guess in places like universities, would be quick to criticize it, scoff at it, talk about it as if it were the stupidest thing to believe in, while at the same time, if you talked about Islam, Buddhism, or other religions, you don't receive as bad disrespect and criticism. Do you guys see this happen, also? I mean, I might be a little off, but people on OT are quick to look down on the concept of "God." But what about Allah, or Buddah, or whatever other religious figures out there? I dunno, this is just something that came to mind. So, OT? What do you think? Do you guys even think that what I'm saying is really going on?

hydralisk86

A lot of extremely religious people tend to regard the world as hostile toward their religion. Considering the fact that christianity is VERY popular in the U.S and a significant portion of the world, I would take your church going friend's laments with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"]

In the church I go to, someone said it was interesting, that there is this trend, where if you talked about God, and Jesus, that other people, i guess in places like universities, would be quick to criticize it, scoff at it, talk about it as if it were the stupidest thing to believe in, while at the same time, if you talked about Islam, Buddhism, or other religions, you don't receive as bad disrespect and criticism. Do you guys see this happen, also? I mean, I might be a little off, but people on OT are quick to look down on the concept of "God." But what about Allah, or Buddah, or whatever other religious figures out there? I dunno, this is just something that came to mind. So, OT? What do you think? Do you guys even think that what I'm saying is really going on?

Frattracide

A lot of extremely religious people tend to regard the world as hostile toward their religion. Considering the fact that christianity is VERY popular in the U.S and a significant portion of the world, I would take your church going friend's laments with a grain of salt.

Problem solved. YAAAAY a two page religion thread! :D

I think that's a load of nonsense. Muslims are given a harder time than any other major religious group in this country by far, and I've heard quite a few derogatory and misguided comments about Jews over the years.

Americans are generally most familiar with Christianity though, and it's easier to criticize beliefs in detail when you know what they are in the first place. It's a rather small percentage of Americans who have anything but the vaguest concept of what Buddhism is.

I think you'll find that the majority of college students consider themselves to be Christians. Now whether they actually adhere to Christian teachings or not is another matter...

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="hydralisk86"] Don't quote me on this, but isn't it true that Islam's God was said to be good and evil, while the Christian god was only Holy? There are differences. hydralisk86

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="hydralisk86"] I dunno if Jews believe God IS evil. He did create satan, and Christians believe that also...but they don't say he IS evil. Just look through the Psalms portion of the Bible, i think you will see in various parts calling God holy.hydralisk86

Its due to the fact that the most vocal religion as well as the rising increase in extreme evangelicals within the United States.. You will see backlash from this.. If there were large amounts of Islamic and Jewish groups trying to impede their religious ideas into government on a daily basis, expect backlash towards them.. Christainty is hardly a specific "victim" in this situation.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its due to the fact that the most vocal religion as well as the rising increase in extreme evangelicals within the United States.. You will see backlash from this.. If there were large amounts of Islamic and Jewish groups trying to impede their religious ideas into government on a daily basis, expect backlash towards them.. Christainty is hardly a specific "victim" in this situation.jalexbrown

Especially when after the Bush adminstration, the evanglical movement has basically hijacked the party... IF people must be angry, do not be angry at these people.. Be angry at the people like that one good senator who was apart of the environmental board who said that global warming is a lie, because the bible says that only god has the power to end the world.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its due to the fact that the most vocal religion as well as the rising increase in extreme evangelicals within the United States.. You will see backlash from this.. If there were large amounts of Islamic and Jewish groups trying to impede their religious ideas into government on a daily basis, expect backlash towards them.. Christainty is hardly a specific "victim" in this situation.jalexbrown

And if Sarah Palin behaves like a Christian, then I'm frigging Ayn Rand. :lol:

It's because they probably grew up around Islam and Christianity and were mistreated by some of its doctrines. Plus there's the sadistic stuff in the Old Testament, the New Testament's understanding of salvation, the violence in the middle east and Muhammad's disdain for jews and pagans.

Both religions claim to be one of peace, but they have done a poor job demonstrating it for the last few hundred years. Sikhism is light years ahead of them in that regard.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its due to the fact that the most vocal religion as well as the rising increase in extreme evangelicals within the United States.. You will see backlash from this.. If there were large amounts of Islamic and Jewish groups trying to impede their religious ideas into government on a daily basis, expect backlash towards them.. Christainty is hardly a specific "victim" in this situation.StopThePresses

And if Sarah Palin behaves like a Christian, then I'm frigging Ayn Rand. :lol:

It's because they probably grew up around Islam and Christianity and were mistreated by some of its doctrines. Plus there's the sadistic stuff in the Old Testament, the New Testament's understanding of salvation, the violence in the middle east and Muhammad's disdain for jews and pagans.

Both religions claim to be one of peace, but they have done a poor job demonstrating it for the last few hundred years. Sikhism is light years ahead of them in that regard.

dracula_16

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

It's because they probably grew up around Islam and Christianity and were mistreated by some of its doctrines. Plus there's the sadistic stuff in the Old Testament, the New Testament's understanding of salvation, the violence in the middle east and Muhammad's disdain for jews and pagans.

Both religions claim to be one of peace, but they have done a poor job demonstrating it for the last few hundred years. Sikhism is light years ahead of them in that regard.

jalexbrown

I think it's fine to do that as long as it isn't my primary beef. My issues with Islam and Christianity are in their doctrines as well as the fruits they give off.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

It's because they probably grew up around Islam and Christianity and were mistreated by some of its doctrines. Plus there's the sadistic stuff in the Old Testament, the New Testament's understanding of salvation, the violence in the middle east and Muhammad's disdain for jews and pagans.

Both religions claim to be one of peace, but they have done a poor job demonstrating it for the last few hundred years. Sikhism is light years ahead of them in that regard.

jalexbrown

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

It's because they probably grew up around Islam and Christianity and were mistreated by some of its doctrines. Plus there's the sadistic stuff in the Old Testament, the New Testament's understanding of salvation, the violence in the middle east and Muhammad's disdain for jews and pagans.

Both religions claim to be one of peace, but they have done a poor job demonstrating it for the last few hundred years. Sikhism is light years ahead of them in that regard.

twitchmonkey399

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] That's slightly misleading. What about the trinitarian versus non-trinitarian beliefs?jalexbrown

Also, I was unaware that Judaism asserted that God ever revealed himself. I find that interesting. I really did think Christianity was unique in that respect.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="clayron"] How do those beliefs affect who God is and how he relates to the three religion.clayron

Also, I was unaware that Judaism asserted that God ever revealed himself. I find that interesting. I really did think Christianity was unique in that respect.

[QUOTE="clayron"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Christians asset that G-d revealed himself to the masses in the form of Jesus. Jews assert that G-d revealed himself to them at Mount Sinai. Muslims do not asset that Allah has revealed Himself except to the prophets. Clearly Allah lacks the attribute of feeling the need to reveal Himself. To suggest that all three religions have an identical belief about G-d is absurd. Similar? Yes. Identical? Not at all.jalexbrown

Also, I was unaware that Judaism asserted that God ever revealed himself. I find that interesting. I really did think Christianity was unique in that respect.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="clayron"] I never asserted all religions have identical beliefs regarding God. Each religion takes a different stance on his characteristics, actions, and overall personality with Christianity taking the broadest leap in saying that he revealed himself in the flesh through Jesus Christ. I understand how different the religions are. I simply said the God of each religion is that of the God of Abraham.

Also, I was unaware that Judaism asserted that God ever revealed himself. I find that interesting. I really did think Christianity was unique in that respect.

StopThePresses

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="clayron"] I never asserted all religions have identical beliefs regarding God. Each religion takes a different stance on his characteristics, actions, and overall personality with Christianity taking the broadest leap in saying that he revealed himself in the flesh through Jesus Christ. I understand how different the religions are. I simply said the God of each religion is that of the God of Abraham.

Also, I was unaware that Judaism asserted that God ever revealed himself. I find that interesting. I really did think Christianity was unique in that respect.

StopThePresses

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Judaism doesn't believe that G-d revealed Himself in flesh and blood. At the foot of Mount Sinai, it is said that G-d revealed Himself to the Jews in the form of fire. This is called the Revelation on Sinai, and it's a critical part of Jewish belief.jalexbrown

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Judaism doesn't believe that G-d revealed Himself in flesh and blood. At the foot of Mount Sinai, it is said that G-d revealed Himself to the Jews in the form of fire. This is called the Revelation on Sinai, and it's a critical part of Jewish belief.clayron

I'm a muslim ok, and I believe in Allah. All of us religious folks know the fact that being religious means that not believing in other religions ok? I tend to respect other religions, but I don't like Christianity at all, because of how Jesus are perceived in Christianity. I mean as a muslim living in Gaza, its only natural to have a certain level of hostility toward Judaism, but guess what, I do respect and like Judaism way more than Christianity, because they still believe in an only one God with no sons and wives.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I'm a muslim ok, and I believe in Allah. All of us religious folks know the fact that being religious means that not believing in other religions ok? I tend to respect other religions, but I don't like Christianity at all, because of how Jesus are perceived in Christianity. I mean as a muslim living in Gaza, its only natural to have a certain level of hostility toward Judaism, but guess what, I do respect and like Judaism way more than Christianity, because they still believe in an only one God with no sons and wives.jalexbrown

I'm a muslim ok, and I believe in Allah. All of us religious folks know the fact that being religious means that not believing in other religions ok? I tend to respect other religions, but I don't like Christianity at all, because of how Jesus are perceived in Christianity. I mean as a muslim living in Gaza, its only natural to have a certain level of hostility toward Judaism, but guess what, I do respect and like Judaism way more than Christianity, because they still believe in an only one God with no sons and wives.GazaAli

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I'm a muslim ok, and I believe in Allah. All of us religious folks know the fact that being religious means that not believing in other religions ok? I tend to respect other religions, but I don't like Christianity at all, because of how Jesus are perceived in Christianity. I mean as a muslim living in Gaza, its only natural to have a certain level of hostility toward Judaism, but guess what, I do respect and like Judaism way more than Christianity, because they still believe in an only one God with no sons and wives.GazaAli